Newbie 123rf property releases question

seawhisper

« on: December 09, 2010, 10:20 »

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Hello

I got my both architecture photos rejected with inquiry to add property release. No other stock asked me for property releases for them. And it would be hard to obtain since one building are simple stairs in Warsaw (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=44790370) and Wilanow Palace in Warsaw (http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=43220404).

Both objects need no property release. How to deal with it? Does 123rf need property release for any architecture element or should I just put property release with 'no release needed' info in it?

Also this is strange for me - they seem like didn't accept my id yet, but they did accepted and rejected some of my photos... O.o

I posted my question here, but I'm not sure if I shouldn't put it in newbie section. If so tell me and I will repost it there.

Hugs,
Paula


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disorderly

« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 10:34 »

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Paula,

123RF has become more aggressive about demanding property releases. They recently required releases for shots of mine in a hotel room that used a desk and chair, something no other site has demanded. I just delete the images and figure it's their loss.

As for your ID, I believe that's required only for payment. It'll hold up your first payment but not your first sales. Depending on how your images do, you likely have a few months to get your ID accepted.

Best,
Hank


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seawhisper

« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 12:02 »

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Wow this is something demanding release for desk... I think I started an account there in a bad time. Cheesy

Still just out of curiosity from who do you get such property release? I mean the building in the city? The city president...?

As for the ID it's really strange. I thought just as you've said - it's only for payments. I thought that because they let me submit photos already. BUT just yesterday I got a mail from them saying that they rejected all my photos (which they in fact didn't do) because of the missing ID.

I have mixed feeling about this website - they doesn't state which court jurisdiction is theirs (if it goes to suing them or they will sue you) what I believe is a must for any international company. Their HQ seems to be in Hongkong (or similar) but the servers in Singapore and their company registered even somewhere else (I don't remember correctly now, I was tracerounting them after some problems with ftp).

So it's all kind of spooky here... Wink


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Anglee

« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 23:09 »

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Quote from: seawhisper on December 09, 2010, 12:02

Wow this is something demanding release for desk... I think I started an account there in a bad time. Cheesy

Hi seawhisper,

The main purpose of a Property release is to prove that you've been given consent from the owner to photograph and publicize the property. This process it to protect both parties [123RF & contributor] from lawsuits. You may get your property release from the Management of the building itself.

The property release is required to be attached onto each image that consist the following:
a) Interior of a building
b) Exterior of a building (for a photo of that building alone)

If the image is of a cityscape, then a release is not required. (the Fair Use Rule applies).

For the email that you received, we've rectified the issue and your ID has been approved.

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

Cheers,
Anglee


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seawhisper

« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2010, 09:39 »

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Thanks Anglee for response!

If I may continue the subject here on the forum (maybe it will help someone else too) - I'm not sure if I understand that correctly - you need release even for buildings that are UNPROTECTED by copyright law? Polish copyright law allows to take a photo of any object found in public space. For instance you can even take a photo of a monument standing on main square although it is obviously a piece of art. Therefore none of my rejected photos need property release.

As for the ID - I didn't receive any info that it was accepted - and I still doesn't have any place where to submit my photos (I had huge "sell images" button earlier, now it's gone O.O) is it a bug or am I missing something? Here it's how it looks like now: http://picasaweb.google.com/missdaredevil/ZrzutyEkranu?authkey=Gv1sRgCOj51az92Zuq_gE#5549051063298822930


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azurelaroux

« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 10:52 »

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They moved all the photographer info to the bottom of the page in the footer. It confused me for a while as well.


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seawhisper

« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 13:03 »

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Quote from: azurelaroux on December 12, 2010, 10:52

They moved all the photographer info to the bottom of the page in the footer. It confused me for a while as well.

Yeah, I've noticed after ctrl+f the website on 'upload' term. Thanks so much - I thought it was only my own bug. Cheesy

I wonder why - it's quite non-functional to change the huge 'sell' button into the tiny footer links... O.o


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Anglee

« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 22:08 »

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Quote from: seawhisper on December 10, 2010, 09:39

Thanks Anglee for response!

Hey Seawhisper,

You may email [email protected] for more information about the Property Release.

I've reconfirmed your ID with the person in charge, your ID has been approved. We won't review any of your uploaded images if your ID has yet to approve by us.

Indeed. We've relocated the "Sell Images" to the footer under the category of "For Photographers". You can read it via the thread at http://www.microstockgroup.com/123royaltyfree-com/sell-images-location/msg173881/#msg173881

Hope this piece of information helps. Wink

Cheers,
Anglee


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