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LSD72

« on: June 03, 2009, 11:28 »

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I have looked at their Keywording explanation page and I guess I am just used to the Micros way of placing them in one box. 2 Boxes for Descriptions.. I kinda got that. How to you break down the keywording into 3 different categories? I need a little help in this part.

Can anyone break it down for me or link me to a page that breaks it down a little better than Alamy?


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madelaide

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2009, 11:41 »

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LSD,

The three keywords fields are in order of importance.

essential keywords: the most important ones, what describes your subject straightly; only 50 characters to make it really relevant.
main keywords: other relevant keywords, synonyms; up to 300 characters.
comprehensive keywords: less relevant, broader terms

Have you read this?
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography-keywording.asp

The main description goes in caption. A more detailed description, sometimes with biological, historical or geographical information, goes in description.

They have recently put zero relevance for description in the search tool, which is a good thing in a way. For instance, I had a photo of a fortress and I added the description of the building, which has among other things a cloister, and a search for cloister returned my image, even if cloister was not in any keyword field.


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LSD72

« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 12:16 »

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Yea, thats the page I was talking about. I guess I just need to get used to this way of the Keywording if I want to play on this field...lol. Your explanations helps me though. Thank You.


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madelaide

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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 12:34 »

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I find the relevance fields very smart. They really help return a more valid search. if someone looks for "lipstick", images with lipstick in the essential keywords will appear before those with lipstick in the main keywords.

Also Alamy takes into account the proximity of keywords.


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LSD72

« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2009, 14:20 »

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Well, I got the Images done. Dont know how well I did keywording them. Guess it will take time to really wrap my head around their style.

Once it says the images are ready... I am guessing that in the 24 hours the shots will move to the for sale section.


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melastmohican

« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2009, 14:24 »

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Use this keywording tool: http://www.findphotokeywords.com/

It can generate keywords in Alamy format.


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madelaide

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 15:15 »

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Quote from: melastmohican on June 03, 2009, 14:24

It can generate keywords in Alamy format.

Only in the registered version, perhaps? I never saw anything about Alamy in it.


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melastmohican

« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 15:22 »

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It's on the right side.


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madelaide

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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 15:29 »

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I see it now, thank you. But I didn't like the results in the example I did. I guess it is highly dependant on the frequency of keywords in the selected images.


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melastmohican

« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 15:37 »

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I guess you can still choose and pick individual words in each box.


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LSD72

« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 15:39 »

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Thanks, I will try it out. It's not really the keyword itself that bugs me...its the splitting of them and deciding which ones go where. This may help.


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RacePhoto

« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2009, 18:10 »

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Quote from: LSD72 on June 03, 2009, 15:39

Thanks, I will try it out. It's not really the keyword itself that bugs me...its the splitting of them and deciding which ones go where. This may help.

Important words in the Essential, next most important in Main, third level and note, words that everyone looking at the image can see in the Comprehensive. The search looks for them with a ranked system, where the boxes are weighted accordingly. First word in the first box appears to be stronger than the last word in the same box and all words in all other boxes. Just look at it as a pyramid. By the way, title and location are searched along with everything else, at the lowest level. Description is now not searched.

It's good because you can make sure the most important words don't get lost in the rest of the words. You determine the future of your photos and can manage how they will show up.

Bravo Alamy, no categories! Wink


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LSD72

« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2009, 20:14 »

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I am starting to get it now since findphotokeywords does the Alamy split. That gave me my first few examples to go off of. I just didn't get it by reading but now I see it, it made it easier for me to understand.


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