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Topic: RM choices in Alamy  

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madelaide
« on: December 04, 2008, 20:57 »


I tend to put my travel images as RM.  Despite the general rule of "no release is required when shot from the street" (and I know this is not valid for most modern buidings), I think they should not be available for commercial goods and advertisement.  I mean, I don't think it's right that someone buys an image of a tourist attraction and then sells postcards out of it, without the building owner (private or government) earning anything, or advertises condoms using a photo of the Eiffel Tower or the Big Ben...  Yet, there are tons of such images sold as RF and sites allow them without any question, so maybe I'm overzealous.

I can set the restrictions I want in MyLoupe. But in Alamy, if I answer Yes to "Does this picture contain property that needs a release for commercial use?" and then No to "Do you have property releases?", it says I should set it to Editorial only. 

So what is the best strategy: say No the need of a release and add my restrictions, or use Editorial only as suggested?

Regards,
Adelaide


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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2008, 22:11 »

you should ask Alamy yourself. i had a few specific images for editorial
and i had their help with it. in fact, they even corrected some of my settings for the licence as i had set it wrongly.
write them , as they have always been there for me whenever i needed technical or legal questions. who else better to ask than the site legalese.

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epixx


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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2008, 22:35 »

I think their rules are rather clear: If a property release would be needed for commercial use, it can only be sold as editorial, licensed, unless you have a release. In principle, that goes for most buildings, but in real life, it's not a problem for public property.

When you click for no model and/or property release, it's the buyer's responsibility to use the image properly. Then of course, it's difficult to safeguard against fools and criminals, but that goes for most sides of life   Smiley

I think postcards are considered editorial or art btw., so no release should be needed. Publishing postcards from cities would be prohibitively complicated if releases for anything and anybody in a photo was needed. A postcard isn't commercial in any other sense than the fact that it's sold, but so are newspapers and paintings.


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madelaide
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2008, 10:49 »

Good idea writing to Alamy.  It's good to know they reply.  Maybe I should check their forum too.

Regards,
Adelaide


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madelaide
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2008, 10:02 »

This is what I got from Alamy:

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Technically any image that contains property will need a release for commercial use. It’s usually fine to say "yes this needs a release, no I haven’t got one" while annotating your images.

I didn't see that in many images I checked.  If I do, I'll be in disavantage - a buyer may be afraid to buy it.

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It’s up to the contributors to decide whether or not they want to set additional restrictions for editorial only.

It doesn't really answer me.  I saw tons of London Eye images that had no such restriction at all, and I told them this, and they agreed it should be set for editorial only.  They could give us a hint of what is really ok for non-editorial purporses.   Undecided

And one thing I learnt: I was setting restrictions wrong!  What you set is what can NOT be done with that image.  I thought you had to included what the image can be used for (restricted to this).  Was this obvious for everyone? 

So, for editorial use, you have in fact to add many restrictions:
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To facilitate only editorial sales these are the restrictions to be set:

•           All Countries; Direct Mail/Brochures; All Medias; All Industries; All Sub-industries
•           All Countries; Multimedia; All Medias; All Industries; All Sub-industries
•           All Countries; Consumer Goods; All Medias; All Industries; All Sub-industries
•           All Countries; Display; All Medias; All Industries; All Sun-industries
•           All Countries; Advertising/Promotion; All Medias; All Industries; All Sub-industries
•           All Countries; Personal/Presentations; All Medias; All Industries; All Sub-industries

Regards,
Adelaide


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Zeus


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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2008, 13:46 »

Unless there is good reason.

Always set as L.
Always set as No Releases unless you have one.
Always set all countries.

There is a decent enough market for pure editorial and this will put you in that market.

Peter


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Fran


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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2008, 14:20 »

Unless there is good reason.

Always set as L.
Always set as No Releases unless you have one.
Always set all countries.

There is a decent enough market for pure editorial and this will put you in that market.

Peter

What's a good reason in your opinion to not set L?


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Zeus


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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2008, 14:34 »

Unless there is good reason.

Always set as L.
Always set as No Releases unless you have one.
Always set all countries.

There is a decent enough market for pure editorial and this will put you in that market.

Peter


What's a good reason in your opinion to not set L?


http://www.alamy.com/licensing.asp

The above URL gives license differences. I don't think the chance of exclusive license is very likely. This also limits distribution and adds a headache if by chance you do get an exclusive and you have the image on other sites. I distribute non exclusive to other sites and I find the extra sales from them out weighs any potential exclusive sales with Alamy. I guess the arguments for RP with Alamy are similar to going exclusive with iS.

Peter



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madelaide
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2008, 14:37 »

Always set as L.
Always set as No Releases unless you have one.
Always set all countries.

Peter,

My concern is that, saying they require a release that I don't have when this release is actually not necessary, may keep buyers away.  If the image can be used for commercial use - advertisement, postcards, whatever - I would like to clearly allow mine for this too.

Regards,
Adelaide


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Zeus


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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2008, 15:08 »

Always set as L.
Always set as No Releases unless you have one.
Always set all countries.

Peter,

My concern is that, saying they require a release that I don't have when this release is actually not necessary, may keep buyers away.  If the image can be used for commercial use - advertisement, postcards, whatever - I would like to clearly allow mine for this too.

Regards,
Adelaide

I agree it seems a stupid process and a cover-your-ass reason. You need to get the ticks right. If you have a release fine, if you don't you don't.

Peter


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