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Title: unsuitable camera?
Post by: cascoly on March 29, 2010, 18:58
anyone else getting rejections for an unsuitable camera?  i've been getting images from my sony hx1 ACCEPTED OVER THE LAST YEAR AT ALAMy - suddenly it's unsuitable - i susxpect a  reviewer just looks at exif and doesnt bother looking at the actual image.  all the images i submit to alamy are photomerged panoramas, using 3 or 4 or more images, so i don't need much if any upsizing - these images do fine with SS and istock. 

i'm about ready to give up on alamy, but wanted to frst try to see if it's just one rogue reviewer or a new policy [no reply from alamy support]

their silly 'toss the whole batch' policy is bad enuf...

s
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on March 29, 2010, 20:24
Alamy has an Approved Camera List

http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/recommended-digital-cameras.asp (http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/recommended-digital-cameras.asp)

and also an Unsuitable Camera List which your HX1 is on.

http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/unsuitable-cameras.asp (http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/unsuitable-cameras.asp)

And since you're submitting stuff with a camera that doesn't meet their requirements, yes, they're probably automatically rejecting them.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on March 29, 2010, 21:55
I guess it's something new 'cause I have many accepted images from non approved camera.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Xalanx on March 30, 2010, 07:05
I think (hope) it's just a matter of time until all stock agencies will require at least a DSLR.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: MicrostockExp on March 30, 2010, 07:57
Apparently all the models of the Canon Powershot G series above the G7 are accepted, good to know:)
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Lcjtripod on March 30, 2010, 09:10
I think (hope) it's just a matter of time until all stock agencies will require at least a DSLR.


AMEN
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: macrosaur on March 30, 2010, 11:48
I've plenty of old 6MP images that were all passing thru QC like a breeze until november or december, now they're rejecting everything apart pin-sharp human portraits or images with big sharp subjects.

Anything else goes to the bin and they also ley you wait a week or more to tell you failed QC because of "SoLD".

As i'm now shooting 12MP and 18MP i couldn't care less, i'm afraid i'll thrash those oldies and keep shooting higher-res images.

In any case it would have been polite for Alamy to at least write in their blog that from now on the minimum acceptable is 12MP, they made me waste a lot of time for nothing.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: rimglow on March 30, 2010, 13:28
I remove all metadata (except keywords) before submitting to anybody. It eliminates a lot problems.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Albert Martin on March 30, 2010, 14:00
I just have some of Sony Alpha shots which are in my backlog for alamy... After that I have several thousand made with Nikon D80... And in the meantime I upload shots made with Nikon D300 and Alpha 850 ;-)

Nevertheless, I don't upload the same series or similars to both micro and macro... It is not professional!
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: macrosaur on March 30, 2010, 14:32
in my case they rejected mostly images with trees or crowds with skyscrapers.

of course a 6MP bunch of trees looks like sh.. when resized to 18MP but they never
had any problems months ago.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: cascoly on March 30, 2010, 15:13
I've plenty of old 6MP images that were all passing thru QC like a breeze until november or december, now they're rejecting everything apart pin-sharp human portraits or images with big sharp subjects.

Anything else goes to the bin and they also ley you wait a week or more to tell you failed QC because of "SoLD".

...

In any case it would have been polite for Alamy to at least write in their blog that from now on the minimum acceptable is 12MP, they made me waste a lot of time for nothing.

yep - that's been my experience too - i had a batch of cybershot images accepted in jan, but nothing since.

it's really pretty silly - quality should be the measure not snobbery or seeing who's camera is bigger

i've been selling these images thru ss, is, dt and others with no complaints -   the hx1 has a feature that takes 6 quick images and then prepares a sharp composite.  i have a neuropathy that left my right hand unable to work a camera, and get tremors, but with the hx1 i get better resuts than with my dslr, even with a tripod.

s
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: macrosaur on March 30, 2010, 15:57
there's nothing we can do.

if you've still 6MP images you can forget about it, only sharp portraits will pass QC, anything more complex will get rejected with disdain.

after all any other RM agencies ask for minimum 12MP photos so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

with 800$ you can buy a 18MP like the Canon Rebel 550D.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: basti on March 31, 2010, 06:56
I think (hope) it's just a matter of time until all stock agencies will require at least a DSLR.

OMG! I think that the ONLY thing which matters should be image quality. Clear example of insanity was (not sure if its still that way) Getty - ALL Canon/Nikon/Leica were ok including those very old models with just 4Mpix - but NONE Sony or Olympus DSLR was there - what??? And btw. some Ricoh models or Sigma DP1/DP2 are often well above cheap DSLR with kit lens. And all current P&S are definitely MUCH better then any old C/N DSLR from the beginning of digital era... These "suitable" cameras are often very disputable...
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: macrosaur on March 31, 2010, 07:38
They say they accept those old models but then if you submit the images they'll get all rejected.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on March 31, 2010, 08:02
OMG! I think that the ONLY thing which matters should be image quality.


So vision, concept, and salability don't matter?

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Clear example of insanity was (not sure if its still that way) Getty - ALL Canon/Nikon/Leica were ok including those very old models with just 4Mpix - but NONE Sony or Olympus DSLR was there - what??? And btw. some Ricoh models or Sigma DP1/DP2 are often well above cheap DSLR with kit lens.


Some of the Olympus stuff is on the approved list.

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And all current P&S are definitely MUCH better then any old C/N DSLR from the beginning of digital era... These "suitable" cameras are often very disputable...

I don't think a typical tiny-sensor P&S camera would have better image quality than even the oldest DSLR. But, some of the new hybrid stuff like a Panasonic DP1 or Olympus PEN probably would be way better.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: macrosaur on March 31, 2010, 08:40
P&S have improved dramatically but at the same price of a high-end P&S you can buy a cheap Canon Rebel so what's the point in using P&S anyway ?

i wonder how many people is sending images taken with an iPhone and complaining about rejections...
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on March 31, 2010, 11:11
P&S have improved dramatically but at the same price of a high-end P&S you can buy a cheap Canon Rebel so what's the point in using P&S anyway ?

P&S cameras are obviously small and as such fit in backpacks and in pockets and are just way less obtrusive than SLRs. As such they capture images that would likely never get taken. So, yeh they have a purpose and I think if they create salable images of unique images then the image should be judged on that. There is way too much pixel peeping in this world.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: macrosaur on March 31, 2010, 11:44
You'll never make saleable images with a P&S in bad or low light conditions, think about inside airplanes,
trains, waiting rooms, the only places where i shoot with P&S but it's just for fun, i never made crisp and sharp
images in these places, even using flash.

they're only good outdoor in optimal conditions but then why not using a DSLR ?
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: RacePhoto on March 31, 2010, 16:08
P&S have improved dramatically but at the same price of a high-end P&S you can buy a cheap Canon Rebel so what's the point in using P&S anyway ?


P&S cameras are obviously small and as such fit in backpacks and in pockets and are just way less obtrusive than SLRs. As such they capture images that would likely never get taken. So, yeh they have a purpose and I think if they create salable images of unique images then the image should be judged on that. There is way too much pixel peeping in this world.


Probably has more to do with sensor size and pixel packing than image sizes. A 6MP image from a 10-D is much better than a 12MP image from a P&S.

You can fit 12 people in a VW Bug, but it's a clown car, not a comfortable shuttle bus!  ;D

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8849/sensorsize.jpg)

You can't trick Mother Nature or Father Physics. Tiny pixels, crammed into a tiny sensor will never look as good as a DSLR size sensor. Sony Hx1 sensor size is  1/2.4 " 9MP. Canon 40-D for example is APS-C 10MP. It's not hard to figure out that a sensor that's 13 times larger in area will produce much better images!

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So vision, concept, and salability don't matter?
Not on Alamy. Only image quality is checked by QC. No rejections for "we don't need these at this time" or "Not suitable for stock" or any of the usual vague micro rejections.

In any case it would have been polite for Alamy to at least write in their blog that from now on the minimum acceptable is 12MP, they made me waste a lot of time for nothing.


If it was true that would be a reason for them to post it in the blog. I had 85 new images accepted last week. No problems. 10MP DSLR Want me to send in something from the 10-D to get accepted to prove my point? SoLD is just what they say. Doesn't matter if you are shooting the latest new big sensor toy or a Bridge camera, the image must meet their quality standards.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Xalanx on March 31, 2010, 16:14
P&S are good as gifts for your kids, or for people with "japanese hand" syndrome. You know, the ones that go click-click-click until the card is full.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: madelaide on March 31, 2010, 16:24
You'll never make saleable images with a P&S in bad or low light conditions, think about inside airplanes,
trains, waiting rooms, the only places where i shoot with P&S but it's just for fun, i never made crisp and sharp
images in these places, even using flash.

I partially disagree with this, at least if you are calling any compact a P&S.  I have a Canon Powershot A620, 7MPix, and I have taken some very nice sharp and well exposed images with it, even under non-optimal conditions.  Some have been accepted in Alamy - I haven't uploaded lately so I can not say they still would.  But just because they may not be upsizable to their 48MB minimum, it doesn't mean they are not sellable, especially given that many (perhaps most) editorial images will not require anything larger than the original size.  A 1/4th page is about 4x6in, therefore a 2MPix camera would deliver that size without crop.  A 7MPix can deliver a full page quality image.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: RacePhoto on March 31, 2010, 16:26
P&S are good as gifts for your kids, or for people with "japanese hand" syndrome. You know, the ones that go click-click-click until the card is full.


Xalanx-tally correct.  ;D

I'll add they are nice in the car, while I'm driving down the Interstate. Good for camping, family vacations, quick shots to have some fun, friends and family, and SNAPSHOTS. P&S will make dandy 4x6 prints for a photo album.

This is going off track again. Here's the list. I didn't write it, I'm not even on the same continent as Alamy. They make the rules...

http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/unsuitable-cameras.asp (http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/unsuitable-cameras.asp)

Unsuitable Canon cameras:  http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/unsuitable-canon-list.asp (http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/unsuitable-canon-list.asp)

Canon PowerShot A620
Canon PowerShot G7
Canon EOS-1D (4 megapixe in case anyone wonders)
and many more, as far as I can tell, that's anything Powershot starting with the letter A, and all G models from 7 backwards.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: macrosaur on March 31, 2010, 17:11
even a 100$ nikon Coolpix with 8MP will make pics for Alamy in theory but under which condition ? blue sky, sun, outdoor, non moving subjects, and a good lot of photoshop post processing ...

i had a photo blog with my  early pix shot in 1024x768 and resized for the web in 550px ... they all looked great
on a laptop, i've nothing against P&S, i mean they're TOYS for snapshots, that's what they are for.

of course you can make the odd good saleable photo.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Xalanx on March 31, 2010, 17:39
We're talking stock agencies requirements here, where absolutely ANY point-and-shoot should be banned - even the best of them, as DP2 or the Pen (which is not really a P&S), or LX3, or Canon's G-Klasse :P . DSLRs are already extremely cheap so almost anyone could afford one. I'm sure there can happen these days to get an image from a P&S approved at some agency, but that shouldn't be a reason to be proud of. Again - it's about the present time, not 5 years ago.
Macrosaur is right - these things are toys, nothing more.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: RacePhoto on April 01, 2010, 14:33
even a 100$ nikon Coolpix with 8MP will make pics for Alamy in theory but under which condition ? blue sky, sun, outdoor, non moving subjects, and a good lot of photoshop post processing ...


Not Really!

http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/unsuitable-nikon-list.asp (http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/unsuitable-nikon-list.asp)

See above, the sensor is too small. End of story.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: red on April 01, 2010, 16:08
Unsuitable camera or unsuitable image? If the light is optimal the pic will be better, no matter the camera (duh). If you know your camera the pic will be better (duh). Many a photog wannabe starting out has learned about light and lenses only because they had a point and shoot. The pics didn't turn out well so they had to figure out why. They usually end up buying a different camera. Lesson learned. In the old days you could rescue a (somewhat) poor image in the darkroom, today it's Photoshop. As a buyer I don't care what camera took the pic. If it suits my needs I buy it. Sometimes after I've downloaded a photo I'm disappointed in it's technical merits. But, bottom line, the client doesn't look at the same things I do, pin-sharp clarity and amount of noise are often not factors to the client if the image suits the need.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: RacePhoto on April 01, 2010, 22:06
Unsuitable camera or unsuitable image? If the light is optimal the pic will be better, no matter the camera (duh). If you know your camera the pic will be better (duh). Many a photog wannabe starting out has learned about light and lenses only because they had a point and shoot. The pics didn't turn out well so they had to figure out why. They usually end up buying a different camera. Lesson learned. In the old days you could rescue a (somewhat) poor image in the darkroom, today it's Photoshop. As a buyer I don't care what camera took the pic. If it suits my needs I buy it. Sometimes after I've downloaded a photo I'm disappointed in it's technical merits. But, bottom line, the client doesn't look at the same things I do, pin-sharp clarity and amount of noise are often not factors to the client if the image suits the need.

I don't know if I should continue with the debate when it's foolish. Unsuitable cameras produce unsuitable images.

So you are saying that Ansel Adams could have used a Brownie Folding 2 1/4 instead of an 8 x 10 sheet film camera, if the light was the same, as long as he knew his camera?  ???

8 megapixels from a DSLR are not the same as 8 megapixels from a P&S. The pixels are a different size. The lenses are different. The sensor may be designed with a different mask.

The part about the buyer is true. We are more critical most of the time in an effort to insure satisfied customers. You did hit another factor. Image quality vs the need for a particular image. In any case if there's only one shot, it will do, but if there's a choice, the higher quality image will win.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on April 01, 2010, 22:48

I don't know if I should continue with the debate when it's foolish. Unsuitable cameras produce unsuitable images.

You're on the right track.

Unsuitable cameras produce unsuitable images.

Suitable cameras have the potential to produce suitable images. Somewhere along the way the operator, conditions, or post processing produce unsuitable images.

If the content was the only thing that mattered, most news images would be shot with camera phones.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: RacePhoto on April 02, 2010, 00:24
Yes I did leave out the other side of that equation. The camera doesn't automatically make for good images, in the end that's the responsibility of the photographer. :D



I don't know if I should continue with the debate when it's foolish. Unsuitable cameras produce unsuitable images.

You're on the right track.

Unsuitable cameras produce unsuitable images.

Suitable cameras have the potential to produce suitable images. Somewhere along the way the operator, conditions, or post processing produce unsuitable images.

If the content was the only thing that mattered, most news images would be shot with camera phones.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: basti on April 02, 2010, 01:36
Xalanx & RacePhoto: Guys, you obviously suffer "fullframe" disease - buy the most pricy Canon/Nikon or even better medium format and let us others happy with cheaper stuff. Image quality matters, not camera.

I will simply strip exif and thats it, editor can judge just the image quality and who cares about some camera lists?
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Phil on April 02, 2010, 03:32
I have images that have sold on alamy from a 5mp p&s, and plenty of images on alamy and micros that are from the 6mp pentaxs (which arent on either list).
Some of favourite shots where taken with my early 1, 1.3, and 3mp p&s

But I know the images I put on now taken with 24mp dslr (and sometimes even downsized) are on technical merits (could still be crap :)) a hell of a lot better than the upsized 6mp that I used to do a few years back.

I can understand where they are coming from, they have to justify the extra cost from micro and really I bought my daughter a near new sony a230 and 2 lenses for $400. Not a lot of outlay to begin competing professionally (she's building her collection :)).   
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Xalanx on April 02, 2010, 07:46
Xalanx & RacePhoto: Guys, you obviously suffer "fullframe" disease - buy the most pricy Canon/Nikon or even better medium format and let us others happy with cheaper stuff. Image quality matters, not camera.

I don't recall me or RacePhoto recommending to buy full frame DSLRs. I said DSLR, not full frame - and that includes even poor little Oly ;)
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Lcjtripod on April 02, 2010, 08:29
Unsuitable cameras produce unsuitable images.

But even more important: Unsuitable photographers produce unsuitable images.  ;D

-Larry
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: willie on April 02, 2010, 13:03
If I am not mistaken, the reason why certain DSLR are unsuitable is merely that in order to upsize to 48MB you need to start with a very good original in camera.
Sure, many good Photoshop experts are able to upsize from 7MP camera , some even claim from 4MP.
I am not sure if this is true. I don't know.
But I know that with a low MP camera you have to really work a lot to get the image suitable for Alamy.
It's not to discriminate from one camera to another. It's just being realistic.
I have work with Alamy approved with lower MP cameras but I really gave up and bought a top of the line pro DSLR. This sure reduce your post production time. Many times, you just upside a couple MPs
and there you have it.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: RacePhoto on April 02, 2010, 14:33
Xalanx & RacePhoto: Guys, you obviously suffer "fullframe" disease - buy the most pricy Canon/Nikon or even better medium format and let us others happy with cheaper stuff. Image quality matters, not camera.

I will simply strip exif and thats it, editor can judge just the image quality and who cares about some camera lists?


True, image quality matters, but that's not the point of the list. The cameras on the list are not likely to produce suitable images, and in most cases, for most people, will not. Alamy has produced the list to help people understand that they shouldn't waste their time submitting images from unsuitable cameras. The list is in response to people who wanted something more specific than the guidelines suggested. Now there's a list and some people want to debate that their camera shouldn't be on it.  ???

Alamy QC doesn't want to waste time and money with batches and batches of failures. Same reason why, one fail all fail, is their policy. Same reason why Alamy came up with the vacation for repeated failures, upload ban if it continues.

I might point out that it's not a game to see what someone can sneak past the reviewers. The agency is asking for a certain quality for images and setting their required standards. The customers are also expecting the images to be up to the agency standards.

I wouldn't call a 20-D and 40-D Fullframe Disease.  :) 
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/113/fly150.gif)

What started this thread was the allegation that Alamy looked at EXIF data and refused the images based on that. On the Alamy forum a couple of people have hypothesized that computers reviewed their images, not humans.  :o  While either could be true, neither of these has been proven to be fact. Evidence is that some members have recently uploaded images made with cameras from the unsuitable camera list and they have passed. Like all other fine experiments, one person wrote to Alamy to point this out and the images were promptly removed with a warning, don't do it again.

I don't have the 10-D (not on either list for some reason?) or G6 anymore to do some tests with stitched images. But I did have an image from the G6 accepted last year! Well lets say 29 images, all stitched into one, cropped and downsized to 48.2MB. ;) If there was some EXIF flag, that one would have been waving in bright red.

Flagging QC to refuse for EXIF camera models may be something new?
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: Albert Martin on April 02, 2010, 19:54
Race, That one with stitching is fine... Your image lost imperfections when you downsampled it. Why not? It is emulation of middle frame sensor and it is quality at the end!

But, upsizing low resolution image full of different crappy noise is no-go... It is visible.

I had rejection yesterday due to crappy lens I used few Years ago on Sony Al100 shooting some sheeps ;-)

When I looked at image it really was crappy... Well, No more uploading images shot with that crappy lens. And fortunately I uploaded all Alpha100 images I wanted to have online... Only what I will do is to upload again that ones rejected from last batch which are good enough to pass QC.

Point with Alamy is that they don't need amateurs and that they need photographers. If you are photographer then you should know quality needed if you can read QC standards. Same rules are current on Corbis and GI also... If you are learner, then learn through Social photo sites and microstock. If you wish to earn money as photographer, first of all is that you must be photographer.

End of story.

[ADDED:] OP, You are not photographer if you have camera. You are then only guy with camera. So, first become a photographer and then buy adequate tool to help you finish your job. Whining about past won't help you! Tool is what helps you earn money - so find some nice camera and do your job. Soon there will be minimum 15Mpix suitable DSLR cameras only! BTW, after you put 1000 or more images online on microstock you will know what I think about being photographer and that images you shot for microstock which don't sell there are for Macrostock... That is how it is today... Tomorrow - no one can tell!
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: willie on April 02, 2010, 22:16
Xalanx & RacePhoto: Guys, you obviously suffer "fullframe" disease - buy the most pricy Canon/Nikon or even better medium format and let us others happy with cheaper stuff. Image quality matters, not camera.

I will simply strip exif and thats it, editor can judge just the image quality and who cares about some camera lists?


True, image quality matters, but that's not the point of the list. The cameras on the list are not likely to produce suitable images, and in most cases, for most people, will not. Alamy has produced the list to help people understand that they shouldn't waste their time submitting images from unsuitable cameras. The list is in response to people who wanted something more specific than the guidelines suggested. Now there's a list and some people want to debate that their camera shouldn't be on it.  ???

Alamy QC doesn't want to waste time and money with batches and batches of failures. Same reason why, one fail all fail, is their policy. Same reason why Alamy came up with the vacation for repeated failures, upload ban if it continues.

I might point out that it's not a game to see what someone can sneak past the reviewers. The agency is asking for a certain quality for images and setting their required standards. The customers are also expecting the images to be up to the agency standards.

I wouldn't call a 20-D and 40-D Fullframe Disease.  :) 
([url]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/113/fly150.gif[/url])

What started this thread was the allegation that Alamy looked at EXIF data and refused the images based on that. On the Alamy forum a couple of people have hypothesized that computers reviewed their images, not humans.  :o  While either could be true, neither of these has been proven to be fact. Evidence is that some members have recently uploaded images made with cameras from the unsuitable camera list and they have passed. Like all other fine experiments, one person wrote to Alamy to point this out and the images were promptly removed with a warning, don't do it again.

I don't have the 10-D (not on either list for some reason?) or G6 anymore to do some tests with stitched images. But I did have an image from the G6 accepted last year! Well lets say 29 images, all stitched into one, cropped and downsized to 48.2MB. ;) If there was some EXIF flag, that one would have been waving in bright red.

Flagging QC to refuse for EXIF camera models may be something new?


well said Racephoto. (nice fly... by the way )...

another alternative would be to get this
http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2010/201008.html (http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2010/201008.html)
and you won't need to worry about upsizing,
instead you need to downsize from the 40MP.
imagine what the image will look like.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: cascoly on April 03, 2010, 12:37
You'll never make saleable images with a P&S in bad or low light conditions, think about inside airplanes,
trains, waiting rooms, the only places where i shoot with P&S but it's just for fun, i never made crisp and sharp
images in these places, even using flash.

they're only good outdoor in optimal conditions but then why not using a DSLR ?

just because you havent done it doesnt mean it cant be done!! my sony hx1 images sell on all the sites - in fact low light is one of the better aspects of the camera! 

and as previous poster mentioned, size DOES matter - i have a digital rebel too, but it's not handy for skiing and other activities.  if you always have a tripod and studio lighting, you might have a point, but even there, the newer cameras will do well too

s
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: macrosaur on April 07, 2010, 18:35
the only issue is Alamy outsourcing to INDIA, who knows what's "sharp" for those guys

i never had problems uploading old 6MP stuff until november, now they reject everything and i wasted a lot of time
editing that crap for nothing.

ironically the same rejected images have been all accepted by iStock so they can't be so bad considering their snotty QC...

whenever i upload 18MP files they get accepted by alamy in 24hrs, i guess they don't even look at them or use a specific automated software for this.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: cascoly on April 10, 2010, 01:48
If I am not mistaken, the reason why certain DSLR are unsuitable is merely that in order to upsize to 48MB you need to start with a very good original in camera.
Sure, many good Photoshop experts are able to upsize from 7MP camera , some even claim from 4MP.
I am not sure if this is true. I don't know.
But I know that with a low MP camera you have to really work a lot to get the image suitable for Alamy.
It's not to discriminate from one camera to another. It's just being realistic.
I have work with Alamy approved with lower MP cameras but I really gave up and bought a top of the line pro DSLR. This sure reduce your post production time. Many times, you just upside a couple MPs
and there you have it.


true, however, they also automatically reject panoramas which are taken with those cameras, even though the image is DOWNSIZED to make it 48MP.   i have no problem with them requiring  whatever image qualkity they wish, but they're silly to thi nk it cANT  be done  - ultimately it's their game tho.
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: RacePhoto on April 19, 2010, 02:40
If I am not mistaken, the reason why certain DSLR are unsuitable is merely that in order to upsize to 48MB you need to start with a very good original in camera.
Sure, many good Photoshop experts are able to upsize from 7MP camera , some even claim from 4MP.
I am not sure if this is true. I don't know.
But I know that with a low MP camera you have to really work a lot to get the image suitable for Alamy.
It's not to discriminate from one camera to another. It's just being realistic.
I have work with Alamy approved with lower MP cameras but I really gave up and bought a top of the line pro DSLR. This sure reduce your post production time. Many times, you just upside a couple MPs
and there you have it.

true, however, they also automatically reject panoramas which are taken with those cameras, even though the image is DOWNSIZED to make it 48MP.   i have no problem with them requiring  whatever image qualkity they wish, but they're silly to thi nk it cANT  be done  - ultimately it's their game tho.

What was the rejection reason, exactly? "Unsuitable Camera" or "Soft or Lacking Definition" or something else? Have you tried sending in the automatic rejection image, by itself, with the camera data removed, to prove it's the camera name and not the image? How many photos in the batch?

Reason I ask is I have had G6 images, panoramas, stitched, accepted, after the list was posted. I may do one with the A590IS pocket camera to test the rejection for EXIF data theory. Or would a A400 prove the question?  :)
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: cascoly on April 19, 2010, 19:01


true, however, they also automatically reject panoramas which are taken with those cameras, even though the image is DOWNSIZED to make it 48MP.   i have no problem with them requiring  whatever image qualkity they wish, but they're silly to thi nk it cANT  be done  - ultimately it's their game tho.

What was the rejection reason, exactly? "Unsuitable Camera" or "Soft or Lacking Definition" or something else? Have you tried sending in the automatic rejection image, by itself, with the camera data removed, to prove it's the camera name and not the image? How many photos in the batch?

Reason I ask is I have had G6 images, panoramas, stitched, accepted, after the list was posted. I may do one with the A590IS pocket camera to test the rejection for EXIF data theory. Or would a A400 prove the question?  :)

th it was for unsuitable camera - i havent taken the time to remove exif and submit 1 image - i havent made any sales on alamy to date, so there's little incentive to continue there; 
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: RacePhoto on April 20, 2010, 00:23
Sales are an incentive unless you only shoot with one of the cameras on the Unsuitable list.

Say you have two sales a year on Alamy with 330 files and 140 sales a year on IS with 700 files. That would be about the same commission.

Trouble is someone who has 16 images of machu picchu on Alamy is competing against 4700 other images of the same subject. They would need to have something that stands out and is distinctive to make a sale.

Maybe not you, I don't know, but some people have the same RF images on microstock and Alamy and assume the buyers are too stupid to do a search to find out they can get the identical shot for $5-$15 instead of $200.  ::)  In other words, if someone has the same shots on 10 Micro sites as they do on Alamy, I wouldn't expect them to have many sales.

I've decided to divide them into Editorial on Alamy and RF on Micro. Others may have a different marketing strategy. Whatever works is the best answer. :D




true, however, they also automatically reject panoramas which are taken with those cameras, even though the image is DOWNSIZED to make it 48MP.   i have no problem with them requiring  whatever image qualkity they wish, but they're silly to thi nk it cANT  be done  - ultimately it's their game tho.

What was the rejection reason, exactly? "Unsuitable Camera" or "Soft or Lacking Definition" or something else? Have you tried sending in the automatic rejection image, by itself, with the camera data removed, to prove it's the camera name and not the image? How many photos in the batch?

Reason I ask is I have had G6 images, panoramas, stitched, accepted, after the list was posted. I may do one with the A590IS pocket camera to test the rejection for EXIF data theory. Or would a A400 prove the question?  :)

th it was for unsuitable camera - i havent taken the time to remove exif and submit 1 image - i havent made any sales on alamy to date, so there's little incentive to continue there;  
Title: Re: unsuitable camera?
Post by: cascoly on April 20, 2010, 19:12


Trouble is someone who has 16 images of machu picchu on Alamy is competing against 4700 other images of the same subject. They would need to have something that stands out and is distinctive to make a sale.

Maybe not you, I don't know, but some people have the same RF images on microstock and Alamy and assume the buyers are too stupid to do a search to find out they can get the identical shot for $5-$15 instead of $200.  ::)  In other words, if someone has the same shots on 10 Micro sites as they do on Alamy, I wouldn't expect them to have many sales.  


yes, that differnece in price is why i tried alamy in the first place, but i've understood from the start that it was an uphill battle for me to do much on alamy

for personal, physical reasons, the hx1 now produces better images for me than my dslr, and it has shown in sales on SS and DT.  so i'll just concentrate there, and let what's on alamy sit w/o upl'ing more