Is that all that Canon has got?

epixx

« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2007, 04:42 »

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Quote from: litifeta on February 22, 2007, 19:55

Quote from: epixx on February 22, 2007, 17:58

Quote from: litifeta on February 22, 2007, 16:58

no full size sensor, no sense in an upgrade

Ummmm.... what does the size of the sensor have to do with it?

lens conversion. costs heaps to get wide angles

Valid point. I have that problem for concerts (on stage). I need a fast wide-angle, and the only combo that will cut it is a 5D or 1Ds with 24mm f/1.4. Very frustrating.

So what I should do is buy a 5D, a 1Diii and lenses for a few thousand dollars, plus some black paint for the long lenses Grin


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CJPhoto

« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2007, 04:48 »

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Quote from: litifeta on February 22, 2007, 19:55

Quote from: epixx on February 22, 2007, 17:58

Quote from: litifeta on February 22, 2007, 16:58

no full size sensor, no sense in an upgrade

Ummmm.... what does the size of the sensor have to do with it?

lens conversion. costs heaps to get wide angles

Lens conversion - makes long lens longer Grin


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KiwiRob

« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2007, 15:42 »

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Quote from: epixx on February 22, 2007, 06:47

Quote from: CJPhoto on February 22, 2007, 06:42

If canon now has 4 stop IS technology (in there 70-200 f4L IS), why arn't they rolling this out across the board.

Note: I want the 100-400 L so was hoping they would upgrade the IS to 4 stop (from 2) and upgrade the weather proofing (to lose its name "the dust pump").

I agree about the weather sealing. While Canon as well as Nikon make good, weather sealed bodies, it's very hard to get a clear statement with regards to weather sealed lenses. Olympus made that very clear from the start of the 4/3 system, and now Pentax has done the same with some of their lenses.

If the lense has a rubber ring around the mount it's weather sealed, the exception is the 17-40 f4.0L it has the rubber seal but needs a filter to seal it properly.

I believe they replaced the 16-35 because the image quality wasn't any better than the 17-40 f4.0, all you were paying for was the speed, this new one should move the game on.


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KiwiRob

« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2007, 15:53 »

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Quote from: litifeta on February 22, 2007, 16:58

no full size sensor, no sense in an upgrade

You would have a large number of very pissed off sports photographers if that ever happened, remember this is primarily aimed at sports and pj's they like the crop factor.


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CJPhoto

« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2007, 18:13 »

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Quote from: KiwiRob on February 24, 2007, 15:42

If the lense has a rubber ring around the mount it's weather sealed, the exception is the 17-40 f4.0L it has the rubber seal but needs a filter to seal it properly.

But apparently the push-pull zoom on the 100-400 sucks in air even though weather proof. The 28-300 is meant to have been an upgrade (might have this wrong).

In the end though, I use a 20D which isn't and after thinking about it for the past 3 or 4 days, I cant justify a 1D.


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leaf

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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2007, 18:20 »

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where did you hear that the 100-400 sucks in air? I thought that is exactly what it DIDN'T do?


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CJPhoto

« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2007, 04:30 »

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Quote from: leaf on February 24, 2007, 18:20

where did you hear that the 100-400 sucks in air? I thought that is exactly what it DIDN'T do?

It is know as being a "dust pump" but in a quick look at DP review, I haven't found a thread solely on this.

From what I read, it appears to be something people warn about but no one actually experences. Not sure if this link will work but it is also referred to as the dust trumbone.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1029&message=19486459&q=100+400+dust+pump&qf=m


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ChrisRabior

« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2007, 10:06 »

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Considering the marketing wars and the product competition, I think Canon was smart to only release a limited number of new products. Don't see anything from Nikon or the like that can compete with the new body.. so for the time being they're going to dominate until the competitors can release something formidable, and when that time rolls around you can bet that Canon's going to have other new releases.

Right now I'd say they're on top.


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leaf

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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2007, 12:16 »

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i'm still hoping they have a 1ds mark III in their back pockets ready for the upcoming pma


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epixx

« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2007, 04:20 »

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Quote from: leaf on February 25, 2007, 12:16

i'm still hoping they have a 1ds mark III in their back pockets ready for the upcoming pma

They don't, and here's why: for most pro photographers, the 1D3 has everything needed, including megapixels. I did a test, and upsized an 1D3 file to 70x100cm, 300dpi, and it works fine. Lots of detail. In many ways, this camera is a digital F5, the camera that could do anything you threw at it, although from another manufacturer.

If they are going to develop the 1Ds further, I suspect they have to move into the medium format territory. That means higher prices, new lenses, and possibly another body. There are speculations around a new lens mount, but I guess they'll try to stick with the existing one if they can. There were lots of unhappy photographers the last time they changed.

What we will probably see in the not too distant future, is an upgraded 5D, with the same amount of megapixels as the current 1Ds, and a few more features. The introduction of the 5D probably hurt the 1Ds sales a lot, since there isn't much difference in image quality, so it make sense to develop the more successful of the two.

If I'm right, they will end up with one reasonably priced, high resolution camera for studio and light use (5D plus), one heavy duty work horse (1D3) and one cutting edge, state of the art, very expensive Hasselblad competitor that most of us can only dream about.

All pure speculation of course, but there are clearly changes on the way.


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CJPhoto

« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2007, 05:33 »

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I still expect them to take on the medium formats in a 35mm camera. The rumour was a 22mp sensor which would do it.


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KiwiRob

« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2007, 15:24 »

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Just image a weather sealed, fast focusing (eos based) canon MF with the functionality of a 35mm camera it would slaughter all the existing MF systems, this is canons big year I don't believe this current release is all they'll have for us.


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Greg Boiarsky

« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2007, 16:41 »

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Have you people seen sample images from tests of preproduction 1D MKIII cameras? I'm truly impressed. Images shot at ISO 1600 are better than ISO 400 images from my 10D. That's saying something. And, images shot at ISO 3200 are usable.

What a camera.


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epixx

« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2007, 20:00 »

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Quote from: Professorgb on February 27, 2007, 16:41

Even the ISO 6400 shots seem to be usable. Yes, this is some camera. Now, where did I hide that bank-book Huh


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epixx

« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2007, 20:05 »

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Quote from: CJPhoto on February 26, 2007, 05:33

I still expect them to take on the medium formats in a 35mm camera. The rumour was a 22mp sensor which would do it.

They will probably do that. While the 1D3 and the 5D (or the 5D2?) are taking over much of the traditional 1Ds sales, a new 1Ds will have to compete with MF cameras anyway. That will probably mean new lenses and a lot of other stuff. Maybe even a different sensor size again, not necessarily much bigger, but a 4:3 instead of a 3:2 format. A changed format can even be done without new lenses, at least with regards to most of them.

Interesting times this Cool


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