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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2016, 19:59 »
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I have a Canon 5Dsr for stills and Canon C100 MII for video. So this camera is still playing catch up.

I gave up trying to make a DSLR into a real video camera for documentary films -- just too many add-ons and limitations.

And I use my Sony A6300 for 4K but I really don't like the way 4k looks. Maybe for nature stuff but just too clean for me.

The cinematic dynamic range of the C100 MII is what works for me. And the 5Dsr is freaky beautiful at 100 iso, 8622 x 5692 res on my iMac 5K monitor.
Right, that is a really nice setup for both stills and video. I noticed a big difference when watching comparison's between GH4 and C100 in how pleasing the image looked coming from the C100. I even like my 5d2 image quality above my GH4 with the same canon lenses. It's a bit sterile looking. The only problem with C100 is size and stabilizing it. I shoot from moving boats, the air, lot's of motion. All my cameras are collecting dust right now except My DJI X5 MFT with osmo. It's just a heck of a lot of fun to be mobile with one hand. The image quality isn't fantastic, but good enough for what I am doing, the gimbal technology is amazing. Half the stuff being used now is for internet, so quality is kind of going out the window a bit. I get it if you're shooting documentary's for tv. As far as stock goes, shooting in 4k might give your clips a longer shelf life if 4k ever becomes the standard.


wds

« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2016, 21:20 »
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Well, if you're a stills only guy shooting Canon, why not 5DS R?

Yes, even more confusion in the product line-up.
Was told by Canon there is much more noise in the 5DS R then the 5d1V
That may be true, but the 5dsr is 50mp with no filter over the sensor, so I'm guessing better detail? You would have to selectively control noise manually if it is an issue. It's a tradeoff. If I was shooting landscapes for print I would take this camera over the new one.
I think we should wait and see what testing reveals. The general consensus is that the 5d4 has the latest sensor tech (specifically on-chip A/D's) which should yield
 lower shadow noise and therefore better shadow detail. You combine that with the fact that going from 30 to 50 MP isn't really that big a leap from a linear resolution perspective...it may turn out that you may get a better overall result with the 5D4....we will see! It is interesting though that there has been no discussion regarding the anti-alias filter.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2016, 21:22 by wds »

« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2016, 03:12 »
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And I use my Sony A6300 for 4K but I really don't like the way 4k looks. Maybe for nature stuff but just too clean for me.

Yes, 4k is still overkill for documentary type stuff or people/music videos etc. because you don't really want/need all that detail.

But, as you say, for nature and wildlife it's absolutely AMAZING. It's just a wonderful thing to enjoy well shot 4k footage of animals seeing every detail.

« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2016, 13:18 »
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I shoot all my stock stuff in 4K. Even though 4K sales are rare, it's future proofing and also allows cropping in editing for a 1080 image.

5DM4 fails for me in that the 4K is only 30P max. Me and my 5DM3 will wait another 3-4 years for Canon to quit screwing around and make an affordable 4K/60P DSLR. Love the Canon look, but until that day I'll have to lug around my Sony FS7.

« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2016, 14:23 »
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I shoot all my stock stuff in 4K. Even though 4K sales are rare, it's future proofing and also allows cropping in editing for a 1080 image.

5DM4 fails for me in that the 4K is only 30P max. Me and my 5DM3 will wait another 3-4 years for Canon to quit screwing around and make an affordable 4K/60P DSLR. Love the Canon look, but until that day I'll have to lug around my Sony FS7.

AFAIK, 30P is plenty.  What does 60P get you?  Or is it that you want to do slo-mo at 4k?  I bet that comes in a firmware update.

« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2016, 14:32 »
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60p is very, very common to film in for slow motion, exactly. To get 4k slow motion would mean your footage would stand out since right now, only the most expensive cameras can do it.

If you film for stock, slow motion is a really big seller, but then you'd be looking at Sony cameras. 120 frames per second high quality HD is very useful. Even more so 240 and up but then quality starts to go down...

This will change, however, and I believe any new release will have 4k 60p from now on.

wds

« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2016, 16:18 »
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Well, if you're a stills only guy shooting Canon, why not 5DS R?

Yes, even more confusion in the product line-up.
Was told by Canon there is much more noise in the 5DS R then the 5d1V

Seems to be born out in testing!!: https://www.dpreview.com/news/3229755227/canon-5d-mark-iv-brings-dramatic-dynamic-range-improvements-to-the-5d-line

« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2016, 16:22 »
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I shoot all my stock stuff in 4K. Even though 4K sales are rare, it's future proofing and also allows cropping in editing for a 1080 image.

5DM4 fails for me in that the 4K is only 30P max. Me and my 5DM3 will wait another 3-4 years for Canon to quit screwing around and make an affordable 4K/60P DSLR. Love the Canon look, but until that day I'll have to lug around my Sony FS7.

AFAIK, 30P is plenty.  What does 60P get you?  Or is it that you want to do slo-mo at 4k? I bet that comes in a firmware update.

Unlikely. With the 1Dx II they said that they needed the new CFast card slot to support 4k 60P video. The 5D IV doesn't have CFast...

« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2016, 12:26 »
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I've had my mind set on the mk4 for over a year but now it's been released I just can't justify the $6k CAD with kit lens, especially as I hardly make any money from my photography. Think I'm gonna go for the 7d2 instead

« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2016, 12:35 »
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I've had my mind set on the mk4 for over a year but now it's been released I just can't justify the $6k CAD with kit lens, especially as I hardly make any money from my photography. Think I'm gonna go for the 7d2 instead

Get a used 5D mk III instead if stills is your main thing. The full-frame pictures are like butter! In a good way.

« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2016, 13:09 »
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I shoot all my stock stuff in 4K. Even though 4K sales are rare, it's future proofing and also allows cropping in editing for a 1080 image.

5DM4 fails for me in that the 4K is only 30P max. Me and my 5DM3 will wait another 3-4 years for Canon to quit screwing around and make an affordable 4K/60P DSLR. Love the Canon look, but until that day I'll have to lug around my Sony FS7.

AFAIK, 30P is plenty.  What does 60P get you?  Or is it that you want to do slo-mo at 4k?  I bet that comes in a firmware update.

As others mentioned, 60P is for slo-mo. Lately half or more of what I shoot is slo-mo. Sony FS7 is a great camera, but it would be nice to have a more portable 4K/60P DSLR from Canon. I'm not a fan of the video image quality from Sony's DSLR cams, but really like the look from my 5DMIII.

« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2016, 00:46 »
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I've shot a 5D III for several years now.  I've been saving up for the 5DS R because I want the high resolution for my landscapes and studio work.  I expect to use the 5D III for my carry-around camera and for what little event, concert and sports type of work I do.

When I decide to replace the 5D III I'll probably go mirror-less since that'll make more sense in a walk-around camera.  I expect to keep shooting the 5DS R in the studio and for landscapes for several years.

So, no real interest in the 5D IV for me.

wds

« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2016, 08:35 »
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I've shot a 5D III for several years now.  I've been saving up for the 5DS R because I want the high resolution for my landscapes and studio work.  I expect to use the 5D III for my carry-around camera and for what little event, concert and sports type of work I do.

When I decide to replace the 5D III I'll probably go mirror-less since that'll make more sense in a walk-around camera.  I expect to keep shooting the 5DS R in the studio and for landscapes for several years.

So, no real interest in the 5D IV for me.

Don't overlook the importance of the reduced shadow noise/increased dynamic range of the 5d4 vs. 5dsr


 

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