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« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2012, 12:39 »
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If I didn't buy a 5D2 last summer this alone "This correction is based on Canon-created lens profiles, up to 29 of which can be downloaded and saved onto the camera. These profiles allow correction not only of lateral CA but also of the harder-to-fix axial CA" would almost make it worth the upgrade. I only use a couple of fast primes and CA is killing me, especially when I have to remove 3 differently coloured aberrations from the high contrast edges

You can use DXO to convert raws, it will do all the chromatic aberration correction for you automatically.


« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2012, 12:48 »
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We can say all we want about disappointing news, but I think right now this 5DmkIII might be the best camera below medium format, as far as image quality is concerned.   I need a second camera as a backup, so I'll be buying this new 5DIII and keep my mkII as a backup.  Even if Canon would come up with a 40mp camera half-way this year, I cannot believe these 40 million pixels on a same size sensor will provide equal image quality.

antistock

« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2012, 13:00 »
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Really not sure whether to get the Mark III or the d800!  ???

no idea.
let's wait for the D700/D300s replacements and see what's going on, they should be announced in a few months hopefully.

antistock

« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2012, 13:02 »
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I have to say, I'm very impressed with high iso sample shots, especially the bride and the tiger, on canon website. It's kinda 1.5-2 stops better than my 5D2, I'd say.

on the contrary i'm not that impressed and they used the best primes in F1.4 and F1.8 to keep the ISO down so it sounds a bit tricky to me, there's only one sample shot by night and it's not at all usable for the quality required on stock agencies.

What are you sniffing? I am talking about the tiger image taken at iso 3200, f/8, with a 400mm f/2.8L + 2x TC. And the image of a bride, taken also at iso 3200, f/7.1, with a 50mm f/1.2.
The tiger image looks absolutely great taking into the account the combo long tele + TC. I think you can't get anything better than this in the said situation. Also the bride image looks great in my view, and I'm guessing about 1.5 - 2 stops in iso performance above 5D2.

The aurora borealis photos are poor choices to display a camera's performance, especially since the high iso shot is taken at f/2.8 - wth...

i was talking about the Aurora in iso6400 and on the contrary i think it's a good choice to show what the camera can do by night !
of course it would have been better to snap night portraits, night landscapes in a city etc but from that photo i can already say that iso6400 is not usable and probably iso3200 isn't much better.

antistock

« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2012, 13:11 »
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We can say all we want about disappointing news, but I think right now this 5DmkIII might be the best camera below medium format, as far as image quality is concerned.   I need a second camera as a backup, so I'll be buying this new 5DIII and keep my mkII as a backup.  Even if Canon would come up with a 40mp camera half-way this year, I cannot believe these 40 million pixels on a same size sensor will provide equal image quality.

the trend seems to be about high-MP sensors which are good only at low-ISOs and low/medium MP sensors designed for high-ISOs.
it would be strange for canon to leave the D800 as king of the hill but after all both canon and nikon are making billions with compact and entry-level cameras at the moment rather than with top of the line DSLRs.

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2012, 13:16 »
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Now that I think about it, Canon may be playing it smart here. Maybe.

I'd bet the 5DMIII is more of a replacement for both the 7D and 5DMII. Is there a need for a next generation 7D at this point?

If Canon sits on the sidelines for a year they can watch how well the D800 does. If it's a huge success (which I bet it will be) they can start working on a competitor while sprinkling some rumors around about a high MP model (4D? or whatever) to keep Canon people hanging on while they build it. Then in another year+ they can release a different higher MP model.

mlwinphoto

« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2012, 13:56 »
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we microstockers need pixels! i will consider sell my 7d and buy d800 then make the 5d2 the backup machine.


Wrong!  microstockers only,  do not need tons of pixels, youre uploading JPGs, and any 12MP, cam will do nicely. The XXXL, sales in micro are very few and far in between. Microstock photography is not on par with high flying advertising shoots nor RM photography.


I'm doing just fine in the RM and advertising markets with a 12 MP camera...

« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2012, 14:35 »
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I like the upgrades the Mark III offers, the AF, fps, 100% viewfinder, image quality but I'm having trouble justifying the $3500 price tag. The AF on the Mark II is poor I think we can all agree on that, but do I want to spend $3500 to replace that, not at the moment.

ShadySue

« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2012, 14:41 »
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I like the upgrades the Mark III offers, the AF, fps, 100% viewfinder, image quality but I'm having trouble justifying the $3500 price tag. The AF on the Mark II is poor I think we can all agree on that, but do I want to spend $3500 to replace that, not at the moment.

I just had an email from Wex offering me the chance to pre-order the 5D3 for the price of 2999, which according to XE is $4,749.80.

« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2012, 15:38 »
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I think the thing that bugs me is that they added things like picture styles, HDR, and other kiddie cam crap (OMG a RATE button) to a camera that was previously a more professional tool.  Its like they are shifting markets for the 5D, and not in a good direction.  How likely is it that someone who wants to be able to rate their images in camera will shell out $4299 for a 5D III with lens?

« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2012, 16:46 »
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I think the thing that bugs me is that they added things like picture styles, HDR, and other kiddie cam crap (OMG a RATE button) to a camera that was previously a more professional tool.  Its like they are shifting markets for the 5D, and not in a good direction.  How likely is it that someone who wants to be able to rate their images in camera will shell out $4299 for a 5D III with lens?

Regarding the rate button, I gather from dpreview's blurb that this is targeting pros who use Lightroom as the rating info is read by Lightroom. The idea is you make your selects and "maybes" on the camera and LR keeps that info

« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2012, 16:51 »
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I think the thing that bugs me is that they added things like picture styles, HDR, and other kiddie cam crap (OMG a RATE button) to a camera that was previously a more professional tool.  Its like they are shifting markets for the 5D, and not in a good direction.  How likely is it that someone who wants to be able to rate their images in camera will shell out $4299 for a 5D III with lens?

Regarding the rate button, I gather from dpreview's blurb that this is targeting pros who use Lightroom as the rating info is read by Lightroom. The idea is you make your selects and "maybes" on the camera and LR keeps that info

Don't pros use photoshop ?

« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2012, 16:51 »
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I don't get rating photos anyway. Can't I just look at them and determine which ones are the good ones?

« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2012, 17:08 »
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How likely is it that someone who wants to be able to rate their images in camera will shell out $4299 for a 5D III with lens?

_o/

I'm a pro, and some times on a comissioned shoot I have some spare time to look at the images. It would be nice to "tag" the images with a rating so I can easily find them on DPP.

« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2012, 17:09 »
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I think the "problem" isn't that the mk III isn't good. All the complaining exist because the mk II was SO GOOD! (it's hard to improve on something that is almost perfect)

« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2012, 17:11 »
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As we can see Canon easy goes on "kiddie cam" side... Usual that was Olympus place...
Also, I like Olympus, they have excellent optics, IS in camera body,  the best sensor cleaning and other good things...
So now is right moment to see Olympus full frame camera (E-7) with good price to win from shadow!!!  ::) :P

« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2012, 17:14 »
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I think the "problem" isn't that the mk III isn't good. All the complaining exist because the mk II was SO GOOD! (it's hard to improve on something that is almost perfect)

Less price, more megapixels, one step up in image quality, something about 60fps on fullHD, and some other things...
Probably then it can be SO GOOD again...

KB

« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2012, 17:20 »
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I think the "problem" isn't that the mk III isn't good. All the complaining exist because the mk II was SO GOOD! (it's hard to improve on something that is almost perfect)
I think the complaining falls into two large groups. One group looks at the 22MP and thinks that isn't enough (they either don't care about IQ that much, or think they can have their extra MPs and still get great IQ). The other group, the one I'm in, is disappointed that there weren't some features added that "should have" been. I was really hoping for a built-in time lapse feature (I don't like carrying around an intervalometer), and a bigger improvement on the video side (e.g., 4:2:2).

From what I've read, I think the improvements in moire, along with (supposedly) a cleaner encoding process, hopefully will be enough to see a visible improvement on the video side. On the photo side, there is some ISO improvement (anything will be welcomed), and the new auto focus system may come in handy at times (I generally have had no problems with the 5D2's focusing, but that's due to the kind of images I usually shoot).

So, I'm slightly disappointed, but pretty sure if I get it I'll love it. I'll just have to forget about how much money it'd cost ....

wut

« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2012, 17:34 »
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And nobody mentioned the $3,499? What is Canon smoking? I'll hold onto the 5DMII and will keep an eye on the D800.

Yeah it's bad, but not nearly as bad as the new lenses. 24 2.8 IS and 24-70 2.8 IS cost more than double compared to their predecessors, while the 28 2.8 IS's price more than quadrupled. All that because of a new design and added IS?!? :o Because build quality is more or less the same, primes did not get L build quality, no weather seals etc. I don't care about those lenses, what worries me is what the new 50 1.4 IS is going to cost. 900 EUR or 1800 EUR more than the L version. I'd like to get a replacement for my Sigma 50 1.4, focusing is just so unreliable and it misses just slightly so there's no way you can notice it while you're shooting (it doesn't hunt either) and it's hard to spot it on the camera's display unless you zoom at 100% every single time (that is out of the question anyway). Canon's current 50 1.4 just don't have a decent enough IQ, especially up to f2.2, it just can't compare with the Sigma, bokeh isn't nearly as soft and contrast aren't really there, on par either

wut

« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2012, 17:40 »
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Wrong!  microstockers only,  do not need tons of pixels, youre uploading JPGs, and any 12MP, cam will do nicely.

You're wasting your breath, having read most the replies here and on the other thread it's clear that a lot of people are only interested in one thing - big MP numbers - forget the fact that Canon have taken an already good camera and improved on it's minor flaws, most aren't interested in the quality of the image or usability of the camera they just want big MP's, no doubt a few drive cheap cars with big engines  ;)

Exactly I wrote that in the rumor thread but everybody ignored me. Yeah, like Mustangs, Camaros and similar American muscle cars (or Corvettes etc), lots of power, no breaks, pathetic suspension, only fast in a straight line. But they usually look good, I'll give them that, some are stunning actually.

KB

« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2012, 17:43 »
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And nobody mentioned the $3,499? What is Canon smoking? I'll hold onto the 5DMII and will keep an eye on the D800.

Yeah it's bad, but not nearly as bad as the new lenses. 24 2.8 IS and 24-70 2.8 IS cost more than double compared to their predecessors, while the 28 2.8 IS's price more than quadrupled. All that because of a new design and added IS?!?

I'm pretty sure that the appreciation of the Yen by about 50% in the last 5 years might have something to do with that, too. No one here seems to be able to understand that, though.  ;D

wut

« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2012, 17:54 »
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If I didn't buy a 5D2 last summer this alone "This correction is based on Canon-created lens profiles, up to 29 of which can be downloaded and saved onto the camera. These profiles allow correction not only of lateral CA but also of the harder-to-fix axial CA" would almost make it worth the upgrade. I only use a couple of fast primes and CA is killing me, especially when I have to remove 3 differently coloured aberrations from the high contrast edges

You can use DXO to convert raws, it will do all the chromatic aberration correction for you automatically.

Wow, really? There's 2 types of CA, lateral and longitudinal. Not sure which is which, but only one can get removed with a couple of clicks in PS and that is the one that doesn't cause problems to me. So are you sure it just gets removed, all the contrast edges loose coloration? It really sounds too good to be true. I'll give it a try if that's the case. Tnx for the tip

wut

« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2012, 17:59 »
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And nobody mentioned the $3,499? What is Canon smoking? I'll hold onto the 5DMII and will keep an eye on the D800.

Yeah it's bad, but not nearly as bad as the new lenses. 24 2.8 IS and 24-70 2.8 IS cost more than double compared to their predecessors, while the 28 2.8 IS's price more than quadrupled. All that because of a new design and added IS?!?

I'm pretty sure that the appreciation of the Yen by about 50% in the last 5 years might have something to do with that, too. No one here seems to be able to understand that, though.  ;D

Yeah, but that would affect prices across the board, not just those of the new models. And 5D3 should cost at least 4,5k EUR then (it was 3k when it was announced if I remember correctly).

KB

« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2012, 18:05 »
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And nobody mentioned the $3,499? What is Canon smoking? I'll hold onto the 5DMII and will keep an eye on the D800.

Yeah it's bad, but not nearly as bad as the new lenses. 24 2.8 IS and 24-70 2.8 IS cost more than double compared to their predecessors, while the 28 2.8 IS's price more than quadrupled. All that because of a new design and added IS?!?

I'm pretty sure that the appreciation of the Yen by about 50% in the last 5 years might have something to do with that, too. No one here seems to be able to understand that, though.  ;D

Yeah, but that would affect prices across the board, not just those of the new models. And 5D3 should cost at least 4,5k EUR then (it was 3k when it was announced if I remember correctly).

That's a good point about current prices of the older models. So clearly that isn't the only factor in the 5D3 price (not to mention, as you did, the outrageously high prices of the new lenses). But I think it is a big factor.

I think I read somewhere that the dual CA correction feature applied only to JPGs. Been reading a lot, though, so maybe that was something else ....

« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2012, 18:09 »
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I have yet to see some 2-clicks method to remove bokeh fringing.


 

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