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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2011, 02:26 »
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considering the price and the price of a medium format Pentax 645D

.. I think I might be tempted to go the Pentax route, depsite being a big Canon fan.  I can see applications where the Canon would be better, but for microstock I'm starting to think the Pentax may be a nice fit.


What is it that you're missing with the 5Dii?


20 extra megapixels.  It seems, as others have mentioned that iStock sort has some weight on image size.  The more pixels the better :)  It is also nice to have a little extra cropping room or if you don't need the extra pixels, downsizing for extra sharpness.

Which site has the largest XXXXXXXL size.  is it iStock at 20.7 MP?


« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2011, 08:44 »
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I wonder how radioactive it's going to be...

« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2011, 15:35 »
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considering the price and the price of a medium format Pentax 645D

.. I think I might be tempted to go the Pentax route, depsite being a big Canon fan.  I can see applications where the Canon would be better, but for microstock I'm starting to think the Pentax may be a nice fit.


What is it that you're missing with the 5Dii?


20 extra megapixels.  It seems, as others have mentioned that iStock sort has some weight on image size.  The more pixels the better :)  It is also nice to have a little extra cropping room or if you don't need the extra pixels, downsizing for extra sharpness.

Which site has the largest XXXXXXXL size.  is it iStock at 20.7 MP?


As far as I know iStock has the largest at 21MP. From what I've heard, if there is currently a boost for large files, it isn't significant - there was a time about 2 years ago that they got a big boost, but that seems to be long gone. I don't really see any difference in performance of files that I'm uploading now that are only large compared to the ones that are XXXL. I'm uploading a mix because I'm trying to get through a lot of older files that never made it to iStock due to upload limits in the past.

There is obviously an impact over time from the higher prices, but then there isn't a price difference between 21-40MP, and the extra pixels in those cameras come at a significant cost - portability, speed, storage space, not to mention the price of the cameras.

RacePhoto

« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2011, 01:31 »
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Canon G Series - cameras also took a MegaPixel reduction.  the G10 was 14.7MP and the G11 and G12 are both only 10MP


Because customers didn't care and the camera produced weak images at the pixel packing size. By dropping back to 10MP, the quality and resolution of the images, for a Bridge camera, made it better. G9 was 12MP. Along with the redesign and some nice features like a true remote trigger! (begged for that one since the G-6) The lens / camera combination was being stretched too far. Personally I didn't want a G10, but the G12 looks like everything I want in a small camera for always having in my pocket, travel and general, just in case.

Not exciting to most, but to me it is acceptable. Burst rate 1.97 frames per second for ten seconds. For a pocket camera that's super! 2FPS...

Yes, I agree, let the pixel wars end and lets get quality! Some people still think that bigger is better, but after a point, it's just a waste of resources.

   I believe that Canon combined the 1D with 1Ds because of the 5D series... the sales for 1Ds have gone down seriously because of the 5Dmk2. In those condition was no longer profitable/justify to have two flagships (1D and 1DS). They combine the two different cameras in one with excellent IQ, shutter speed and video capabilities which can be used in sport and in the studio.
   The new 5D will be the fashion, studio, microstock camera from now on.

I'd say that's the same as my opinion. The Ds and the 5D were getting to a point of overlapping, so drop one by merging them. Make the indoor camera the 5D with the higher resolution.

And the major reason I won't be changing to some other brand is a collection of "L" lenses that are just fine and match my needs. Bodies are expendable. Change every few years, lenses last for almost forever. I just picked up a Canon 35-350 and I love it. 10 year old design, not the best lens but 10X! Perfect travel and walk around lens.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2011, 01:49 by RacePhoto »

« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2011, 02:39 »
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Yes, I agree, let the pixel wars end and lets get quality! Some people still think that bigger is better, but after a point, it's just a waste of resources.


Yeah, when my family members as for 'which camera to buy' advice I still tell them not to spend $$ on megapixels.  6mp is more than enough for any snapshot.

« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2011, 03:01 »
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I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  

Has anyone really broken a 5D (incl. 5D mk II) because its "fragile" body?
I have shot my stuff with 5D cameras (mk I and mk II) and never had any problems with durability (though I never have dropped any camera, but If you are  going to drop your cameras even the Eos 1 series could break...)

It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)

I would like to use Eos 1-series cameras, but I simply can't afford it. I could afford one body, but I would not be able to have a spare camera of the same caliber nor upgradind my camera every time they come up with a new model. I currently have two mark II in my bag, it's a really nice feeling to know that you can keep shooting even if one camera breaks (never happened!)
Now you all think I'm really poor, but my point was to rather invest to lenses or studio gear. A body is really easily replaced when needed...

EOS-1D X seems like a decent camera, I'd like to have better AF and better high ISO performance. But I would feel stupid to change into something with less megapixels. I know there is no real difference, but why couldn't they make the new camera for example 24 mpix just so It would feel more of an upgrade from 5D mk II. I would hate to see smaller numbers in image dimensions when photoshopping!
« Last Edit: October 20, 2011, 03:10 by Perry »

« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2011, 03:12 »
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but why couldn't they make the new camera for example 24 mpix

Because they couldn't make it to shoot at 12 fps with 24 MP. Or, if they could, the production costs would have been very prohibitive indeed. I think 5d3 will have more MP, but perhaps somewhere around 3 fps.

« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2011, 03:13 »
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I have no idea why you keep bringing up medium format cameras in this thread? They aren't really meant for similar shooting style. EOS-1D X is a on-location autofocus-fps monster, while most of the medium format cameras are for studio tinkering.

Slovenian

« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2011, 03:30 »
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It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)


I think you should make a note or even a change in your books ;)
Wedding Fight in Ulyanovsk, Russia

« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2011, 03:34 »
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It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)

I think you should make a note or even a change in your books ;) [/url]

I stand corrected :D

« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2011, 06:15 »
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I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  


Has anyone really broken a 5D (incl. 5D mk II) because its "fragile" body?
I have shot my stuff with 5D cameras (mk I and mk II) and never had any problems with durability (though I never have dropped any camera, but If you are  going to drop your cameras even the Eos 1 series could break...)



I dragged my 5D Mark II behind the car on a gravel road at 20km/hr for 10-20meters and the only damage received was a a nic on the lens.  otherwise all functions are a go. :)
« Last Edit: October 21, 2011, 04:08 by leaf »

« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2011, 03:41 »
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I dragged my 5D Mark II behind the car on a gravel road at 20km/hr for 10-20m and the only damage received was a a nic on the lens.  otherwise all functions are a go. :)


Wow, that's just nuts!  I'm trying to wrap my mind around this but am struggling to do so.

« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2011, 05:34 »
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There's nothing here that makes me want to go shopping.  The 1dsmk3 and 5dmk2 are just fine for my needs.

« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2011, 09:11 »
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There's nothing here that makes me want to go shopping.  The 1dsmk3 and 5dmk2 are just fine for my needs.

Same here. I'm disappointed in the lack of advances in features that I would find useful ... but also relieved that I don't feel any temptation to upgrade. Maybe the 5D Mk3 will be the one that surprises and delights us. I'd be happy to pay for more pixels, better pixels and greater dynamic range but I don't need more fps or video functions.

lthn

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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2011, 09:15 »
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It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)


I think you should make a note or even a change in your books ;) Wedding Fight in Ulyanovsk, Russia


turf war! that happens if you feed them, they get accustomed to human presence, and these creatures are very territorial : )

RacePhoto

« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2011, 22:07 »
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There's nothing here that makes me want to go shopping.  The 1dsmk3 and 5dmk2 are just fine for my needs.

And I'd be happy with either one of those, but next for me is a 7D for what I do. Next down would be the 1D family but honestly I'd love to have a 5D...  ;D

Everyone needs to decide for what they shoot, what will work best. I need fast focus and a good burst rate, but I don't shoot on HS because it's too many to edit and I have deadlines to meet. The grab cam and pit lane, victory lane camera should be a 1D.

And yes folks I shoot JPG not RAW, there's a time and space factor involved.

If I was shooting inside with lights and control, I'd have a 5D, that's an easy one! Based on budget.

1DSMKIII Oh Sweet!

« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2011, 03:56 »
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I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  


Has anyone really broken a 5D (incl. 5D mk II) because its "fragile" body?
I have shot my stuff with 5D cameras (mk I and mk II) and never had any problems with durability (though I never have dropped any camera, but If you are  going to drop your cameras even the Eos 1 series could break...)




I dragged my 5D Mark II behind the car on a gravel road at 20km/hr for 10-20meters and the only damage received was a a nic on the lens.  otherwise all functions are a go. :)


I've dropped a 5d and 24-70f2.8L (a pretty heavy combination) on a stone floor from about a metre high. It cracked the corner of the camera casing and very slightly misaligned a lens element (the old 300D's kevlar body was far more resilient, surviving being hurled from a moving vehicle on to a concrete road with just a damaged battery door).  Both cameras kept working as if nothing had happened.

The more weather resistant body is probably the main advantage of the 1 series cameras, not overall toughness.

RacePhoto

« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2011, 13:04 »
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I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  


Has anyone really broken a 5D (incl. 5D mk II) because its "fragile" body?
I have shot my stuff with 5D cameras (mk I and mk II) and never had any problems with durability (though I never have dropped any camera, but If you are  going to drop your cameras even the Eos 1 series could break...)




I dragged my 5D Mark II behind the car on a gravel road at 20km/hr for 10-20meters and the only damage received was a a nic on the lens.  otherwise all functions are a go. :)


I've dropped a 5d and 24-70f2.8L (a pretty heavy combination) on a stone floor from about a metre high. It cracked the corner of the camera casing and very slightly misaligned a lens element (the old 300D's kevlar body was far more resilient, surviving being hurled from a moving vehicle on to a concrete road with just a damaged battery door).  Both cameras kept working as if nothing had happened.

The more weather resistant body is probably the main advantage of the 1 series cameras, not overall toughness.


Aside from maybe turning both of you in for Camera Abuse  ;) yes I agree the point is more of overall durability and weather resistance, than delicacy. I see people with 20-30-40 Ds clunking them around on ATV and shooting in weather, it just takes more care, but a bump on the side, probably isn't much different. Anything with a Titanium frame will be stronger overall than plastic, but back to what you wrote, weather sealing is important.

Also the 1 series always has the latest shutter with the longest life components. So aside from abuse, errors, drops and outside forces, just everyday use, they should be more durable. Maybe not more "tough" like you said, just everything the highest level of technology. A workhorse for a traveling professional.

That doesn't mean a 5D is some fragile indoor toy, it's just that the 1D has been engineered for more extreme use.

7D has the old 1D shutter design. There you go. A little of everything for everyone. Three sensor sizes, different features, sizes, 1D has the grip built on, when some others it's and option...

Where I'd like to end this for myself is, any one of them is best, depending on what someone wants to do and what they need. Having two is better?  ;D

1DSMKIII or 5DMKII kind of a toss up personally, either one is super. I have to read about the new 1D-X merge camera, jury is out.

The camera isn't the end, it's the tool or means to an end. The first 1D is 4MP and if someone starting in Micro had one, it would be a huge advance over a little P&S sensor. It's all relative.

grp_photo

« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2011, 15:33 »
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 and I'd take Mamiya over Pentax anytime.
I'd take Pentax over Mamiya anytime! Nothing beats the viewfinder of the Pentax you should take the cameras in your hands and look through! That said I think Mamiya is great and have made and are making wonderful cameras!
« Last Edit: October 23, 2011, 15:44 by grp_photo »

« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2011, 01:22 »
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It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)


I think you should make a note or even a change in your books ;) Wedding Fight in Ulyanovsk, Russia


I've seen this one before, it still doesn;t make sense to me, who's fighting who

I think the weather sealing may be an issue for 5dMkII in places like antartica etc but not normal conditions.

Ed

« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2011, 13:44 »
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I've been doing a lot more research on this camera....just a heads up - this issue makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me - but it may make a difference to wildlife photographers - especially those that shoot birds.

The new body does not have the ability to autofocus on lenses with a minimum aperture of f/8.  What does that mean?  That means if you add a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter to a lens it may not autofocus (think 200mm f/4 with a 2x converter or 400 f/5.6 with a 2x converter).

Again, makes no difference to me, but if it makes a difference to you, you'll probably want to get a 1D MK III before they're all gone.

« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2011, 13:56 »
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I've been doing a lot more research on this camera....just a heads up - this issue makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me - but it may make a difference to wildlife photographers - especially those that shoot birds.

The new body does not have the ability to autofocus on lenses with a minimum aperture of f/8.  What does that mean?  That means if you add a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter to a lens it may not autofocus (think 200mm f/4 with a 2x converter or 400 f/5.6 with a 2x converter).

Again, makes no difference to me, but if it makes a difference to you, you'll probably want to get a 1D MK III before they're all gone.

^^^ I thought this was the case with all Canon cameras and is a 'function' of the lens combination rather than the camera body itself.

Ed

« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2011, 14:03 »
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Not all of them - and it's been an intermittent thing that changes every few years for some reason.

RacePhoto

« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2011, 14:56 »
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Not all of them - and it's been an intermittent thing that changes every few years for some reason.

So true and the 1 series did work with the extenders, the XX-D did not. Although I have used the tape on the last three contacts of the 1.4 and it would work on other cameras, the 2X just doesn't! Same for 5D and 7D if I remember right. Only the 1 series could use the 300mm f/2.8 (for example) with the 2X teleconverter. Well the 400mm f/5.6 is positively manual focus on everything. And by that point I'm shooting manual exposure anyway, so back to the 60s. Or maybe the 70s with an AE-1 and a motor drive, but gee thanks, no expensive film or processing. So it's a good deal.  LOL

Which brings up the reason I'm happy you answered the question I didn't ask, because it was in the back of my mind.

If I could afford a Canon 600mm lens, we'd be having none of this discussion.

« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2011, 15:38 »
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I've been doing a lot more research on this camera....just a heads up - this issue makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me - but it may make a difference to wildlife photographers - especially those that shoot birds.

The new body does not have the ability to autofocus on lenses with a minimum aperture of f/8.  What does that mean?  That means if you add a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter to a lens it may not autofocus (think 200mm f/4 with a 2x converter or 400 f/5.6 with a 2x converter).

Again, makes no difference to me, but if it makes a difference to you, you'll probably want to get a 1D MK III before they're all gone.

^^^ I thought this was the case with all Canon cameras and is a 'function' of the lens combination rather than the camera body itself.

Until now the 1D series always had a working autofocus (only the center point IIRC) with f/8. The new 1D-x doesn't. That does make a difference for those using the big lenses (500 f/4 or 600 f/4) with a 2x converter (which is a very common combination for wildlife photographers).

I think I'll stay with my 1D Mark IV - can't find a reason to upgrade with the specs of the 1D-x.


 

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