Author Topic: How are the earnings going? (Read 33833 times)

stockman11 · « **on:** January 18, 2019, 15:32 »

For the 1st time on this site I see that my earnings declined - they are gradually going down during the last few months. And January doesn't looking great so far either. Hopefully it's just temporary.

stockman11 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2019, 15:36 »

davidbautista · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2019, 15:54 »

Quote from: stockman11 on January 18, 2019, 15:32

For the 1st time on this site I see that my earnings declined - they are gradually going down during the last few months. And January doesn't looking great so far either. Hopefully it's just temporary.

Bad. Reviewing very very slow.

stockman11 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2019, 16:02 »

Quote from: davidbautista on January 18, 2019, 15:54

Quote from: stockman11 on January 18, 2019, 15:32
For the 1st time on this site I see that my earnings declined - they are gradually going down during the last few months. And January doesn't looking great so far either. Hopefully it's just temporary.
Bad. Reviewing very very slow.

I don't mind slow reviewing as long as the earnings are steadily stagnating or going up. This is currently not the case with me - despite the fact that I got new approved files in the past few months, earnings are going down. That's not good.

davidbautista · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2019, 16:16 »

Quote from: stockman11 on January 18, 2019, 16:02

Quote from: davidbautista on January 18, 2019, 15:54
Quote from: stockman11 on January 18, 2019, 15:32
For the 1st time on this site I see that my earnings declined - they are gradually going down during the last few months. And January doesn't looking great so far either. Hopefully it's just temporary.
Bad. Reviewing very very slow.
I don't mind slow reviewing as long as the earnings are steadily stagnating or going up. This is currently not the case with me - despite the fact that I got new approved files in the past few months, earnings are going down. That's not good.

Same here. And yes the actually sent an email saying that they are reforming reviewing method. I don't know if that also include some change in the site that is also hurting sales.

obj owl · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2019, 20:11 »

Have you checked your previously approved files, they do have an habit of rejecting them.

cascoly · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2019, 21:24 »

slight downward trend, but that's also slowest time of year - they continue to be my 2nd or 3rd best after SS

PhotoBomb · « **Reply #7 on:** January 18, 2019, 23:49 »

Quote from: davidbautista on January 18, 2019, 15:54

Quote from: stockman11 on January 18, 2019, 15:32
For the 1st time on this site I see that my earnings declined - they are gradually going down during the last few months. And January doesn't looking great so far either. Hopefully it's just temporary.
Bad. Reviewing very very slow.

The sent this out on Dec 16th regarding reviewing:

Dear contributors,

Based on the recent survey feedback so many of you kindly provided, we’ll be making a few changes and focusing our attention on a rebuild of our underlying systems. Once it’s all done you’ll have a much more attractive and usable interface in Canva.

As we need to redirect our reviewing team to some of the new products we’re building, we’ll be putting a hold on reviewing new image submissions for the next month or so.

You’re welcome to continue uploading while reviewing is on hold if that’s what suits your workflow. All images will be stored and added into the system afterwards. If you prefer to stop uploading while you wait for us, that’s fine too.

Let me know if you have any questions.

davidbautista · « **Reply #8 on:** January 18, 2019, 23:50 »

Quote from: PhotoBomb on January 18, 2019, 23:49

Quote from: davidbautista on January 18, 2019, 15:54
Quote from: stockman11 on January 18, 2019, 15:32
For the 1st time on this site I see that my earnings declined - they are gradually going down during the last few months. And January doesn't looking great so far either. Hopefully it's just temporary.
Bad. Reviewing very very slow.

The sent this out on Dec 16th regarding reviewing:

Dear contributors,

Based on the recent survey feedback so many of you kindly provided, we’ll be making a few changes and focusing our attention on a rebuild of our underlying systems. Once it’s all done you’ll have a much more attractive and usable interface in Canva.

As we need to redirect our reviewing team to some of the new products we’re building, we’ll be putting a hold on reviewing new image submissions for the next month or so.

You’re welcome to continue uploading while reviewing is on hold if that’s what suits your workflow. All images will be stored and added into the system afterwards. If you prefer to stop uploading while you wait for us, that’s fine too.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Hopefully they will improve the way the site works for contributors

Me · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2019, 03:30 »

My earnings have halved over recent months, it seems that all $3.50 sales have disappeared - since their deal with iStock/Getty started. Number of sales have remained fairly static, but value dropped

Noedelhap · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2019, 06:14 »

Quote from: Me on January 19, 2019, 03:30

My earnings have halved over recent months, it seems that all $3.50 sales have disappeared - since their deal with iStock/Getty started. Number of sales have remained fairly static, but value dropped

Which deal?

Dumc · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2019, 06:32 »

Very bad January. Getty deal is probably reason for dropping sales.

Deal: I think they put getty images into their database or something like that.

Fairplay · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2019, 07:02 »

Yes, in the last 3-4 months when I download from ESP the PDF with my sales I see under Agent column "Canva Pty Ltd COO / Portal".
So now Canva is selling my IS images but I get $0.15 instead of $0.35. And on top of this, these are the same files Canva approved at first and later deleted from my portfolio

Eco · « **Reply #13 on:** January 19, 2019, 07:12 »

Canva the new One Dollar Club. Only $1.00 sales that pay us $0.35. Sounds familiar?

Dumc · « **Reply #14 on:** January 19, 2019, 07:43 »

Quote from: Eco on January 19, 2019, 07:12

Canva the new One Dollar Club. Only $1.00 sales that pay us $0.35. Sounds familiar?

I you don't know what you're talking about you better shut your mouth up.

Eco · « **Reply #15 on:** January 19, 2019, 08:13 »

Quote from: Dumc on January 19, 2019, 07:43

Quote from: Eco on January 19, 2019, 07:12
Canva the new One Dollar Club. Only $1.00 sales that pay us $0.35. Sounds familiar?

I you don't know what you're talking about you better shut your mouth up.

I can only talk about what I see in my own recent sales. If you see something else, good for you.

jonbull · « **Reply #16 on:** January 19, 2019, 08:36 »

begin in october, with less than 200 images i did 35 dollar october and noveber, than increasing the number of file, december started good than from 15 december till now completely dead...zero 3,50 dollar sales, i had near 5 per month in the first two month.....january so far 1 dollar 5 sales...don't know what to think but seems something is gonna happen...ok is a trend of all agency, worst january so far from 2006. the worst has to come in my opinion. less demand of files and a multitude of content uploaded the results are pretty clear a smaller cake for tons of people more. nothing surprising. time to focus in released model images and quality.

stockman11 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 19, 2019, 08:50 »

Quote from: obj owl on January 18, 2019, 20:11

Have you checked your previously approved files, they do have an habit of rejecting them.

Nothing got rejected, at least nothing significant.

Quote from: Eco on January 19, 2019, 07:12

Canva the new One Dollar Club. Only $1.00 sales that pay us $0.35. Sounds familiar?

No it isn't. $1 sales are for one usage only. $10 sales are their equivalent of regular sales. It would be nice to get those $10 sales more often, but to me it's not rare to see the same file purchased for $1 multiple times in a row. So it's still good.

Btw, Canva is also mine 2nd - 3rd best earner. And if weren't that deal with Getty, it would probably be the clear cut #2.

Eco · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2019, 08:58 »

Quote from: stockman11 on January 19, 2019, 08:50

Btw, Canva is also mine 2nd - 3rd best earner. And if weren't that deal with Getty, it would probably be the clear cut #2.

Yes, I agree. I think it is the deal with Getty that killed it. What a shame.

Ukko · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2019, 09:46 »

December was a very good month for me on Adobe and SS, but January (how can I say it nicely), just HORRIBLE so far. This year has started really badly.

Eco · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2019, 03:40 »

Quote from: stockman11 on January 19, 2019, 08:50

Quote from: Eco on January 19, 2019, 07:12
Canva the new One Dollar Club. Only $1.00 sales that pay us $0.35. Sounds familiar?
No it isn't. $1 sales are for one usage only. $10 sales are their equivalent of regular sales. It would be nice to get those $10 sales more often, but to me it's not rare to see the same file purchased for $1 multiple times in a row. So it's still good.

I totally understand it is for a single use only. However, if the multi-use license sales decline or totally disappear (as many of us are experiencing) this is only a small consolation. If you are interested in decent earnings, $0.35 a pop will not do it, especially with declining volume of sales due to the dilution from the Getty image dump.

I have been doing this longer than most and seen it all. For example, a good month at SS is not determined by the number of subscription sales, but the number of higher value sales. When these higher value sales decline, total earnings decline dramatically. Canva will not be the first promising site that lost its luster due to decisions that did not favor contributors.

Canva is one of those companies that really brought something new to the market. I really hope that this trend of declining higher value sales at Canva is only temporary, but I am not holding my breath.

Eco · « **Reply #21 on:** January 20, 2019, 04:08 »

Quote from: Fairplay on January 19, 2019, 07:02

Yes, in the last 3-4 months when I download from ESP the PDF with my sales I see under Agent column "Canva Pty Ltd COO / Portal".
So now Canva is selling my IS images but I get $0.15 instead of $0.35. And on top of this, these are the same files Canva approved at first and later deleted from my portfolio

Thankfully I haven’t seen one of those yet. More bad news for us.

stockman11 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 20, 2019, 09:25 »

Quote from: Eco on January 20, 2019, 03:40

Quote from: stockman11 on January 19, 2019, 08:50

Quote from: Eco on January 19, 2019, 07:12
Canva the new One Dollar Club. Only $1.00 sales that pay us $0.35. Sounds familiar?
No it isn't. $1 sales are for one usage only. $10 sales are their equivalent of regular sales. It would be nice to get those $10 sales more often, but to me it's not rare to see the same file purchased for $1 multiple times in a row. So it's still good.

I totally understand it is for a single use only. However, if the multi-use license sales decline or totally disappear (as many of us are experiencing) this is only a small consolation. If you are interested in decent earnings, $0.35 a pop will not do it, especially with declining volume of sales due to the dilution from the Getty image dump.

I have been doing this longer than most and seen it all. For example, a good month at SS is not determined by the number of subscription sales, but the number of higher value sales. When these higher value sales decline, total earnings decline dramatically. Canva will not be the first promising site that lost its luster due to decisions that did not favor contributors.

Canva is one of those companies that really brought something new to the market. I really hope that this trend of declining higher value sales at Canva is only temporary, but I am not holding my breath.

With changing the concept and with the higher prices, there would hardly be any sales at all. These small sales come in large volumes so the earnings from them are still significant, plus they are secure and consistent, which is VERY important. Bigger sales are nice, but they are sporadic, not consistent. This applies to both SS and Canva. Some may not like that but that's the state of the market and you can't go against that if you want to live from stock.

So Canva is doing a very good job, their only bad for us move is the deal with Getty, but they did that because they prioritize their earnings over ours, and there is no doubt that their earnings since that deal are going higher.

Eco · « **Reply #23 on:** January 20, 2019, 10:29 »

Been doing stock since 2006. I am sure there are many old timers that still remember the time when high value sales were both regular and in high volumes. I remember the days of 20-30 or more EL sales at SS in a month, every month. Not anymore. I guess we are now in the period where we will have to accept whatever is coming our way or quit. I can’t complain though - still doing quite well to make it worthwhile for me to continue.

I like Canva and I always hoped that they will be able to fill that loss of the declining sales at the other agencies. For me this never really happened, possibly because I joined them relatively late. Based on what I see happening there now I cannot see that it will change anytime soon. They will remain one of my low earners and it frustrates me to see only those $0.35 sales. You may have better luck and a wish to all the success.

jonbull · « **Reply #24 on:** January 20, 2019, 10:42 »

Quote from: Eco on January 20, 2019, 10:29

Been doing stock since 2006. I am sure there are many old timers that still remember the time when high value sales were both regular and in high volumes. I remember the days of 20-30 or more EL sales at SS in a month, every month. Not anymore. I guess we are now in the period where we will have to accept whatever is coming our way or quit. I can’t complain though - still doing quite well to make it worthwhile for me to continue.

I like Canva and I always hoped that they will be able to fill that loss of the declining sales at the other agencies. For me this never really happened, possibly because I joined them relatively late. Based on what I see happening there now I cannot see that it will change anytime soon. They will remain one of my low earners and it frustrates me to see only those $0.35 sales. You may have better luck and a wish to all the success.

agree with you is not only canvas but any agency...where those frequent sales n fotolia? 7,5 dollar royalty till november were very common for me...gone...canva i had at least 10 sales of 3,5 the first two month with 200 images only...ss i on't even talk about completely disappeared el, same stock. to earn 4 5 k dollar , the minimum to have a business income...now you need sell near 10000 images per month, that means at least 300 at day with this rpd. micro stock is going to be just a hobbyist business...i doubt even those big factory are making great profits nowadays considering their big cost.

mj007 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 20, 2019, 11:35 »

I had my largest sell ever on Alamy this month for 600 bucks. Not even what I would call a good pic. Maybe bad is the way to go...

stockman11 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 20, 2019, 12:36 »

Quote from: Eco on January 20, 2019, 10:29

Been doing stock since 2006. I am sure there are many old timers that still remember the time when high value sales were both regular and in high volumes. I remember the days of 20-30 or more EL sales at SS in a month, every month. Not anymore. I guess we are now in the period where we will have to accept whatever is coming our way or quit. I can’t complain though - still doing quite well to make it worthwhile for me to continue.

I like Canva and I always hoped that they will be able to fill that loss of the declining sales at the other agencies. For me this never really happened, possibly because I joined them relatively late. Based on what I see happening there now I cannot see that it will change anytime soon. They will remain one of my low earners and it frustrates me to see only those $0.35 sales. You may have better luck and a wish to all the success.

Some people probably remember the good old macrostock days (not me, I'm much newer than you)... The thing is simple - more and more people want to spend as little money as possible on the images, which is why the bigger sales on SS and other sites are in less numbers than before. So trying to raise the prices would be a suicide. That's the state of the market nowadays, we can't go around it. All what agencies and us can do is keep the current state and not allow any further devaluation.

So as I said, all what Canva did bad for us is the Getty deal. Their prices are not the problem, they fit perfectly into the current market, which is a must nowadays if you want to have any success.

PhotoBomb · « **Reply #27 on:** January 20, 2019, 19:11 »

First time I've seen this.

Eco · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2019, 00:36 »

Quote from: PhotoBomb on January 20, 2019, 19:11

First time I've seen this.

Wonder what that is? Pity the royalty is still only $0.35.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2019, 01:14 »

Quote from: Eco on January 21, 2019, 00:36

Quote from: PhotoBomb on January 20, 2019, 19:11
First time I've seen this.

Wonder what that is? Pity the royalty is still only $0.35.

This is from the new the multi currencies feature, but the dashboard shows $ symbol. The sale is in another currency not USD. They create now a new contributor section and all this will be fixed. They still thinks about its contributors, i'm one of the first there and really like Canva (except the Getty deal).

davidbautista · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2019, 07:03 »

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev on January 21, 2019, 01:14

Quote from: Eco on January 21, 2019, 00:36
Quote from: PhotoBomb on January 20, 2019, 19:11
First time I've seen this.

Wonder what that is? Pity the royalty is still only $0.35.

This is from the new the multi currencies feature, but the dashboard shows $ symbol. The sale is in another currency not USD. They create now a new contributor section and all this will be fixed. They still thinks about its contributors, i'm one of the first there and really like Canva (except the Getty deal).

Is the new contributor site ready?

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2019, 07:08 »

Quote from: davidbautista on January 21, 2019, 07:03

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev on January 21, 2019, 01:14
Quote from: Eco on January 21, 2019, 00:36
Quote from: PhotoBomb on January 20, 2019, 19:11
First time I've seen this.

Wonder what that is? Pity the royalty is still only $0.35.

This is from the new the multi currencies feature, but the dashboard shows $ symbol. The sale is in another currency not USD. They create now a new contributor section and all this will be fixed. They still thinks about its contributors, i'm one of the first there and really like Canva (except the Getty deal).
Is the new contributor site ready?

No, it will take a couple of months.

davidbautista · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2019, 07:09 »

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev on January 21, 2019, 07:08

Quote from: davidbautista on January 21, 2019, 07:03
Quote from: Deyan Georgiev on January 21, 2019, 01:14
Quote from: Eco on January 21, 2019, 00:36
Quote from: PhotoBomb on January 20, 2019, 19:11
First time I've seen this.

Wonder what that is? Pity the royalty is still only $0.35.

This is from the new the multi currencies feature, but the dashboard shows $ symbol. The sale is in another currency not USD. They create now a new contributor section and all this will be fixed. They still thinks about its contributors, i'm one of the first there and really like Canva (except the Getty deal).
Is the new contributor site ready?

No, it will take a couple of months.

Well let's see how the new site improve things. Hopefully they realize the Getty deal was a disaster and try to fix it

Me · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2019, 11:21 »

Quote from: stockman11 on January 20, 2019, 12:36

Quote from: Eco on January 20, 2019, 10:29
Been doing stock since 2006. I am sure there are many old timers that still remember the time when high value sales were both regular and in high volumes. I remember the days of 20-30 or more EL sales at SS in a month, every month. Not anymore. I guess we are now in the period where we will have to accept whatever is coming our way or quit. I can’t complain though - still doing quite well to make it worthwhile for me to continue.

I like Canva and I always hoped that they will be able to fill that loss of the declining sales at the other agencies. For me this never really happened, possibly because I joined them relatively late. Based on what I see happening there now I cannot see that it will change anytime soon. They will remain one of my low earners and it frustrates me to see only those $0.35 sales. You may have better luck and a wish to all the success.
Some people probably remember the good old macrostock days (not me, I'm much newer than you)... The thing is simple - more and more people want to spend as little money as possible on the images, which is why the bigger sales on SS and other sites are in less numbers than before. So trying to raise the prices would be a suicide. That's the state of the market nowadays, we can't go around it. All what agencies and us can do is keep the current state and not allow any further devaluation.

So as I said, all what Canva did bad for us is the Getty deal. Their prices are not the problem, they fit perfectly into the current market, which is a must nowadays if you want to have any success.

Is it people looking to spend less and less? Or is it the agencies representing us that are competing with each other so much that they have decided to lower prices - the customer is still happy to pay whatever the price is for the image they want, it is the agencies that dictate the price, not the customers.

jonbull · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2019, 11:44 »

Quote from: Me on January 21, 2019, 11:21

Quote from: stockman11 on January 20, 2019, 12:36
Quote from: Eco on January 20, 2019, 10:29
Been doing stock since 2006. I am sure there are many old timers that still remember the time when high value sales were both regular and in high volumes. I remember the days of 20-30 or more EL sales at SS in a month, every month. Not anymore. I guess we are now in the period where we will have to accept whatever is coming our way or quit. I can’t complain though - still doing quite well to make it worthwhile for me to continue.

I like Canva and I always hoped that they will be able to fill that loss of the declining sales at the other agencies. For me this never really happened, possibly because I joined them relatively late. Based on what I see happening there now I cannot see that it will change anytime soon. They will remain one of my low earners and it frustrates me to see only those $0.35 sales. You may have better luck and a wish to all the success.
Some people probably remember the good old macrostock days (not me, I'm much newer than you)... The thing is simple - more and more people want to spend as little money as possible on the images, which is why the bigger sales on SS and other sites are in less numbers than before. So trying to raise the prices would be a suicide. That's the state of the market nowadays, we can't go around it. All what agencies and us can do is keep the current state and not allow any further devaluation.

So as I said, all what Canva did bad for us is the Getty deal. Their prices are not the problem, they fit perfectly into the current market, which is a must nowadays if you want to have any success.

Is it people looking to spend less and less? Or is it the agencies representing us that are competing with each other so much that they have decided to lower prices - the customer is still happy to pay whatever the price is for the image they want, it is the agencies that dictate the price, not the customers.

i agree..
in my opinion they should have raised the price even from beginning...1 dollar minimum was already to low for the time, considering before company spent 50 100 dollar for same usage. they could have asked 3 5 dollar aup...nowadays they are facing a big challenge, the big number of free images offered...if i browse unspalsh in most cases i found the quality more like stocksy than micro, more creative...and they are free! apart released file, but i suspect many don't care a dim in this world about using an unreleased file, customer now have the opportunity to save hundreds of dollar of extended licensed files, those that sold in the past in ss and made a month good or bad...who will spend 300 dollar for a landscape files? or food? or still life? when they can spend zero moose the tie for a better files?
at this point i wish ss will lower those price of enhanced, better collect 10 15 dollar but re begin selling extend license at a pace that make a month good or bad...if i sell 20 extended at 15 is much better than zero at 79 or 100.
but the race towards the bottom is unfortunately unstoppable. the only thing we can do is focus on quality and other way to sell. but again we are facing a big competition, in instagram everybody is a photographer and probably there are 100 200 million of potential professions, while the market can absorb probably not more than 50k.
tough game.

jonbull · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2019, 11:51 »

https://medium.com/unsplash/ive-been-sharing-my-photography-for-free-on-unsplash-for-the-past-4-years-here-s-what-i-found-7af80c8df39f

really when i read this article makes me think how idiot those people are....

they give away for free those files and are amazed that they receive 1,7 million download for 460 files...1,7 million download!!

and the quality is stocksy , they could have sold a lot much better....and this idiot is happy he had 3 4 gigs in two years who probably collected him less than 10k...considering he is a novice probably the bank contacted him because some agency quoted a big price for a gig and they requested him to do the work for a lot less money...and this pathetic idiot is even happy...a new era for photography...giving away everything and hope somebody contact them..they should ut in a big giant boat and abandoned in the open sea.

stockman11 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2019, 12:21 »

Quote from: Me on January 21, 2019, 11:21

Quote from: stockman11 on January 20, 2019, 12:36
Quote from: Eco on January 20, 2019, 10:29
Been doing stock since 2006. I am sure there are many old timers that still remember the time when high value sales were both regular and in high volumes. I remember the days of 20-30 or more EL sales at SS in a month, every month. Not anymore. I guess we are now in the period where we will have to accept whatever is coming our way or quit. I can’t complain though - still doing quite well to make it worthwhile for me to continue.

I like Canva and I always hoped that they will be able to fill that loss of the declining sales at the other agencies. For me this never really happened, possibly because I joined them relatively late. Based on what I see happening there now I cannot see that it will change anytime soon. They will remain one of my low earners and it frustrates me to see only those $0.35 sales. You may have better luck and a wish to all the success.
Some people probably remember the good old macrostock days (not me, I'm much newer than you)... The thing is simple - more and more people want to spend as little money as possible on the images, which is why the bigger sales on SS and other sites are in less numbers than before. So trying to raise the prices would be a suicide. That's the state of the market nowadays, we can't go around it. All what agencies and us can do is keep the current state and not allow any further devaluation.

So as I said, all what Canva did bad for us is the Getty deal. Their prices are not the problem, they fit perfectly into the current market, which is a must nowadays if you want to have any success.

Is it people looking to spend less and less? Or is it the agencies representing us that are competing with each other so much that they have decided to lower prices - the customer is still happy to pay whatever the price is for the image they want, it is the agencies that dictate the price, not the customers.

If there are less large sales on all the main agencies, lower prices or not, but people still spend the same, where do people spend that money now? Where did the big sales go? Or people really do spend less money now than before?

Behavior of the buyers plays a huge role in our earnings. If there were a higher prices since the beginning of microstock, that would be probably ok in the beginning, but would it be now? Why are some people so sure that the sales nowadays wouldn't drop even more with those higher prices?

Of course, I'm not saying let's drop the prices even more to make the buyers happy, I'm saying we should meet with the buyers in the optimal spot - the spot which will gives us the highest earnings. People who think raising prices 10x would do good for us are too emotional and delusional. Too bad that reality isn't better, but it is what it is, which is why microstock > macrostock.

jonbull · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2019, 12:29 »

Quote from: stockman11 on January 21, 2019, 12:21

Quote from: Me on January 21, 2019, 11:21
Quote from: stockman11 on January 20, 2019, 12:36
Quote from: Eco on January 20, 2019, 10:29
Been doing stock since 2006. I am sure there are many old timers that still remember the time when high value sales were both regular and in high volumes. I remember the days of 20-30 or more EL sales at SS in a month, every month. Not anymore. I guess we are now in the period where we will have to accept whatever is coming our way or quit. I can’t complain though - still doing quite well to make it worthwhile for me to continue.

I like Canva and I always hoped that they will be able to fill that loss of the declining sales at the other agencies. For me this never really happened, possibly because I joined them relatively late. Based on what I see happening there now I cannot see that it will change anytime soon. They will remain one of my low earners and it frustrates me to see only those $0.35 sales. You may have better luck and a wish to all the success.
Some people probably remember the good old macrostock days (not me, I'm much newer than you)... The thing is simple - more and more people want to spend as little money as possible on the images, which is why the bigger sales on SS and other sites are in less numbers than before. So trying to raise the prices would be a suicide. That's the state of the market nowadays, we can't go around it. All what agencies and us can do is keep the current state and not allow any further devaluation.

So as I said, all what Canva did bad for us is the Getty deal. Their prices are not the problem, they fit perfectly into the current market, which is a must nowadays if you want to have any success.

Is it people looking to spend less and less? Or is it the agencies representing us that are competing with each other so much that they have decided to lower prices - the customer is still happy to pay whatever the price is for the image they want, it is the agencies that dictate the price, not the customers.
If there are less large sales on all the main agencies, lower prices or not, but people still spend the same, where do people spend that money now? Where did the big sales go? Or people really do spend less money now than before?

Behavior of the buyers plays a huge role in our earnings. If there were a higher prices since the beginning of microstock, that would be probably ok in the beginning, but would it be now? Why are some people so sure that the sales nowadays wouldn't drop even more with those higher prices?

Of course, I'm not saying let's drop the prices even more to make the buyers happy, I'm saying we should meet with the buyers in the optimal spot - the spot which will gives us the highest earnings. People who think raising prices 10x would do good for us are too emotional and delusional. Too bad that reality isn't better, but it is what it is, which is why microstock > macrostock.

less than this?
what is 0,15 cent rrpd?

Thomas Dutour · « **Reply #38 on:** February 06, 2019, 11:20 »

For the first time in January Canva became my best earner in front of SS, and this despite having a couple of good footage sales on SS.
I don't understand why Canva is not even in the middle tier agencies.

davidbautista · « **Reply #39 on:** February 06, 2019, 11:57 »

Quote from: dutourdumonde on February 06, 2019, 11:20

For the first time in January Canva became my best earner in front of SS, and this despite having a couple of good footage sales on SS.
I don't understand why Canva is not even in the middle tier agencies.

Are you specialized in backgrounds?

trek · « **Reply #40 on:** February 06, 2019, 19:00 »

Quote from: dutourdumonde on February 06, 2019, 11:20

For the first time in January Canva became my best earner in front of SS, and this despite having a couple of good footage sales on SS.
I don't understand why Canva is not even in the middle tier agencies.

Needs 50 votes to get a rating and tier number.

Thomas Dutour · « **Reply #41 on:** February 07, 2019, 03:33 »

Quote from: davidbautista on February 06, 2019, 11:57

Quote from: dutourdumonde on February 06, 2019, 11:20
For the first time in January Canva became my best earner in front of SS, and this despite having a couple of good footage sales on SS.
I don't understand why Canva is not even in the middle tier agencies.
Are you specialized in backgrounds?

Not really but it is a handful of background pictures that makes the majority of my sales.

Thomas Dutour · « **Reply #42 on:** February 07, 2019, 03:34 »

Quote from: trek on February 06, 2019, 19:00

Quote from: dutourdumonde on February 06, 2019, 11:20
For the first time in January Canva became my best earner in front of SS, and this despite having a couple of good footage sales on SS.
I don't understand why Canva is not even in the middle tier agencies.

Needs 50 votes to get a rating and tier number.

I did not know.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 07, 2019, 19:36 »

If you hover over their name in the poll it tells you the number of votes and ranking, which is 39 and 13.9 for Canva right now. I guess that puts them at the top of the middle tier.

pancaketom · « **Reply #44 on:** February 07, 2019, 20:34 »

I thought January was pretty bad, but February said "hold my beer". I hope it picks back up and isn't a permanent change.

davidbautista · « **Reply #45 on:** February 08, 2019, 10:06 »

February is horrible. And it's a short month!

Dumc · « **Reply #46 on:** February 08, 2019, 12:15 »

Sales are very poor, thanks Canva for merging database with getty images.

trek · « **Reply #47 on:** February 08, 2019, 20:28 »

Quote from: Dumc on February 08, 2019, 12:15

Sales are very poor, thanks Canva for merging database with getty images.

Does anyone know what amount Getty/istock contributors receive from Canva sales?

Fairplay · « **Reply #48 on:** February 09, 2019, 03:20 »

Quote from: trek on February 08, 2019, 20:28

Quote from: Dumc on February 08, 2019, 12:15
Sales are very poor, thanks Canva for merging database with getty images.

Does anyone know what amount Getty/istock contributors receive from Canva sales?

$0.15 and $1.50

stockman11 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 23, 2019, 11:20 »

Seems this is going to be the worst month for me in quite some time.

pancaketom · « **Reply #50 on:** February 23, 2019, 12:59 »

Pretty awful - back to about the amount I made with something like 20-25% of the images that I have now. Almost every day this month could be a weekend day there. I sure hope all the sales aren't going to Getty.

Dumc · « **Reply #51 on:** February 23, 2019, 14:38 »

Same here, falling apart.

stockman11 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 09, 2019, 16:23 »

Maybe it's too early in a month to tell, but it seems that my earnings are keeping going down. And they looked so promising until that Getty deal...

I know that they prioritize their own earnings, but suffocating contributors with that Getty deal, the same contributors which enabled their success, is ethically a very questionable thing to do.

I wonder what will be the next "exciting news". Maybe contributor portal, which is supposed to cheer us up, but that's like somebody screwing us over and then giving us a candy (and making us wait for that candy for months). At this point, contributor portal is not just irrelevant - it's almost insulting.

pancaketom · « **Reply #53 on:** March 09, 2019, 19:55 »

9 days into the month and Dreamstime has more than twice the earnings (and it isn't like DT is on track to have a stellar month). So far every day could have been a weekend day. I don't know what it is, but something really changed there for me around the second half to end of last year and it wasn't for the better. The Getty deal would explain it. Maybe it is good for Canva, but it just seems like everything they touch gets ruined.

nomore · « **Reply #54 on:** March 10, 2019, 06:27 »

Earnings were very good and growing until mid 2018. Stable but still good until December. Very bad in January and February. March started even worse.

nomore · « **Reply #55 on:** March 10, 2019, 06:35 »

Quote from: stockman11 on March 09, 2019, 16:23

I know that they prioritize their own earnings, but suffocating contributors with that Getty deal, the same contributors which enabled their success, is ethically a very questionable thing to do.

I'm sure they couldn't care less about being "ethical". But they should at least care about their own long-term survival. If they manage to turn away all of their own contributors and become a vassal of Getty, they are pushing themselves into irrelevance. Getty can decide their fate in a minute.

stockman11 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 10, 2019, 07:19 »

^ good point

stockman11 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 22, 2019, 14:27 »

cascoly · « **Reply #58 on:** March 22, 2019, 23:57 »

about same as usual

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #59 on:** March 24, 2019, 09:36 »

So far this month they are second for me. They were really great in 2016 - fighting for first place with SS, but have dropped dramatically and now usually around 40% of what they were that year.

I just got a big batch reviewed and what is more worrying is that they used to accept almost everything, but in the last batch, rejected almost everything, including virtually all isolations. I spend an extra 20 seconds on every isolation to make a PNG just for them but it won't be worth it if they start rejecting them all. Part of their USP was that you could easily make compositions with isolations that are submitted as PNGs. Those will not be available from iStock so not sure why they are now rejecting everything that used to be accepted almost 100%. Other rejections also seem totally random - they will accept one and then reject others that are shot under similar conditions, and the (S) rejection provides no information about why. I guess it doesn't matter too much anyway, because I only seem to get downloads there on images submitted more than two years ago - new images seem to get no traction. I really had high hopes for them in 2016 but I guess it was too much to expect it to last.

SS has just about died as well - they are no. 3 so far this month, with Adobe in the lead for the first time ever. Usually Canva starts out ahead and then gets beaten by SS but so far no SODs (even low-value ones), ELs or clip sales and they can't catch Canva on subs and the occasional OD, which this month are 1/21 DLs compared to 1 every 8 or 10 DLs in a good month. Overall so far this is my worst month since 2012. Rapidly getting to the point where it is no longer worth the effort.

Dumc · « **Reply #60 on:** March 25, 2019, 13:16 »

Terrible month. Seems that everything that Getty touches, gets destroyed.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #61 on:** April 02, 2019, 07:18 »

Terrible, first big decline last month. I assume thanks to the IStock deal where contributors on IS are getting a couple of cents per dl instead of a much better return direct. So thanks again IStock (and Canva too I guess for getting into bed with them).

jonbull · « **Reply #62 on:** April 02, 2019, 12:30 »

STARTED IN OCTOBER WTH JUST 200 300 FILEs, and had 25 dollar the first month, thinking it could become a second agency after ss near stock and adobe, then noveber more than 35 and till half december a lot of sale for 3,5 dollar....then after 15 december sudden death. january february and march not more than 10 dollar combined and in stock a lot of sales from partner for 0,18 coming mostly from asia. now i have 400 images compared to 10 k in other images and stopped uploading total waste of time. really everything getty become crap.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #63 on:** April 05, 2019, 09:55 »

Quote from: jonbull on April 02, 2019, 12:30

STARTED IN OCTOBER WTH JUST 200 300 FILEs, and had 25 dollar the first month, thinking it could become a second agency after ss near stock and adobe, then noveber more than 35 and till half december a lot of sale for 3,5 dollar....then after 15 december sudden death. january february and march not more than 10 dollar combined and in stock a lot of sales from partner for 0,18 coming mostly from asia. now i have 400 images compared to 10 k in other images and stopped uploading total waste of time. really everything getty become crap.

And to think that a year ago I was thinking I should really be working at Canva. Now I'm happy I didn't punish myself by joining.

PZF · « **Reply #64 on:** April 11, 2019, 01:27 »

What a sad end. They no longer need us as contributors - just link to IS.

Basically, we can choose to submit to them (a small agency with opaque acceptance criteria apart from those trendy 'aesthetic' images) to get 35c a time or IS (who pay a pittance per image but at least the total can be decent).

It stinks.

Smilla · « **Reply #65 on:** April 11, 2019, 11:27 »

Very sad.
Had a good run but now down to about 5-10% of what I used to earn on there.
Not worth uploading to any longer.

Chichikov · « **Reply #66 on:** April 11, 2019, 11:47 »

……going……

Dumc · « **Reply #67 on:** April 11, 2019, 11:58 »

I'm down about 50%

Fairplay · « **Reply #68 on:** April 11, 2019, 15:36 »

Huge drop in sales!
They don't care about us contributors and our income. I won't upload new images anymore. It's not worth it for few more bucks.

tiero · « **Reply #69 on:** April 16, 2019, 03:23 »

Sales have dropped a lot and moreover they now reject me almost every image I send.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #70 on:** April 17, 2019, 16:01 »

Crash!

At 3/5s of the month gone, I'm sitting at 10% of last year's April total.

Dumc · « **Reply #71 on:** April 22, 2019, 13:39 »

Check this out

pancaketom · « **Reply #72 on:** April 22, 2019, 16:33 »

Quote from: Dumc on April 22, 2019, 13:39

Check this out

As I understand it, those are sales that are not US$ - so it might be some currency that is worth 18 to the US$ but they report it this way. I sure hope so. It has been a while since I got more than 0.35 for a sale there.

davidbautista · « **Reply #73 on:** April 22, 2019, 16:41 »

Quote from: pancaketom on April 22, 2019, 16:33

Quote from: Dumc on April 22, 2019, 13:39
Check this out

As I understand it, those are sales that are not US$ - so it might be some currency that is worth 18 to the US$ but they report it this way. I sure hope so. It has been a while since I got more than 0.35 for a sale there.

In Zimbabwe, Venezuela or what

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stockman11 · « **Reply #74 on:** April 25, 2019, 05:08 »

I think I can say this month is the worst in quite some time. Seems like Canva is continuing to go down.

And not just that they screwed contributors with the Getty deal, they, as someone previously said, are pushing themselves into irrelevance. They could have been great stand alone site, but they instead of that chosen to be a Getty's extension. Instead of having all the great sellers, which they could appropriately categorize to make it easier for the customers, they instead decided to delete and reject almost everything, and now to rely on Getty's library. Who in the world makes those "decisions" for them? Being a good marketer doesn't mean being a good planner and strategist, especially not in the long term.

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