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« on: February 12, 2014, 03:50 »
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Through a hint of a photographer I found my entire Depositphotos port on the German Agency Shotshop. Shotshop seems to be a reseller of DP. All who offer directly to Shotshop have now often the same images twice at Shotshop. The problem is - they are also available at different prices! If I would buy a photo from the Depositphotos portfolio in XLLarge-VP at ShotShop, I would pay 19,90 . Don't know, what earnings you get from DP, for me it's mostly cent amounts or sometimes 2, xx dollars. The profit margin of DP must be better than margins of Istock. And there is no opt out option! For me this is a reason to cancel both DP and Shotshop.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 04:11 by roede-orm »


« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2014, 04:01 »
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The well-known German stock photographer Robert Kneschke has tested it now: For a standard image purchase via Shotshop to the relatively high prices, the photographer only gets the price of a subscription sale from DepositPhotos! >:(
http://stockfotografie-forum.de/discussion/813/shotshop-loescht-bilder#Item_32
« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 07:38 by roede-orm »

« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 04:08 »
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Thanks for sharing this here Roede, had read this before in the stockfotografie forum. Unbelievable.

fotorob

  • I am a professional stock photographer

« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2014, 04:18 »
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What concerns me is that one photographer claims to have opted out of the "partner program" from Depositphotos and still finds his images at Shotshop.

Can somebody please check this if you find your images on Shotshop though you have clearly opted out of the partner program from Depositphotos?

The file number from Depositphotos and the imported photos at Shotshop are identical, so just enter some of your DP image numbers in the Shotshop search...

« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2014, 05:40 »
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We tested this too.

For a 19,90 single purchase at Shotshop you will get a 0.30$ Sub sale on Depositphotos !!!

I wonder what you'll get for an EL ... if this isn't a bug, it's a complete rip-off.

stocked

« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2014, 06:01 »
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Ticket ID:    80088
Department:    Partnership
Full Name:    
E-mail:    
Priority:    Critical
Shotshop deal
Dear Depositphotos,
please remove my portfolio from all partner sites (especially Shotshop)and close my account as soon my payment has processed.
Thanks in advance!
Best Regards

stocked

« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2014, 06:17 »
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Oh yeah and some people still like to bash Symbiostock ::)
0.30 $ are about 0.20 at the current rate that results in a pretty much exactly 1% commission, I already stopped uploading  to them months ago but still had a portfolio about 3800 with them, what a scam!

« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2014, 07:41 »
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I asked them some question first, but if the answers are not satisfactory, I'll be out there in a second...

« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2014, 07:53 »
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Scam is the right word for it! What have a standard puchase to do with any subscription? I'm afraid, thats the peak of an iceberg!

vilainecrevette

« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2014, 09:19 »
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Thanks for this post, I send them the same email as Stocked.
I have opted out of the partner program from Depositphotos in march 2013 and found today my images at Shotshop.
I think we have a similar problem with Fotolia, they have tons of partners, some with high price, and I never have sales for more than 2.50$.

 

« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2014, 10:08 »
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how do you opt out of pattern program? I found all my images at Shotshop and now i cannot find whether I'm in or out of DP partner program  :-[

vilainecrevette

« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2014, 14:26 »
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Quote
how do you opt out of partner program?
I sent them an email : support@depositphotos.com
1 day after : "The Partner Sales program has been disabled for your account."



« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2014, 16:53 »
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Are you telling me, guys, that:
I get $0,30 with DP, when I sell
Maximum 4256 x 2832 $24,90 in Shotshop?
(I have just found my images here as well, of course)
Oh, please, tell me this is bad joke, error, mistake...  :o  :-\  >:(

It obviously should be forbidden ... Who is most happy when I do my work?

Btw. I asked CanStockPhoto about PP. Take a look there  partners of canstockphoto
« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 17:16 by Ariene »

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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2014, 17:04 »
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this is terrible practise, thanks for pointing it out to us all.

Just slightly off topic - a few have mentioned that their images are already on ShotShop - do you guys mean you sell there direct? I've never heard of these guys. Do they sell much?

« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2014, 17:22 »
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this is terrible practise, thanks for pointing it out to us all.

Just slightly off topic - a few have mentioned that their images are already on ShotShop - do you guys mean you sell there direct? I've never heard of these guys. Do they sell much?

ShotShop is a Agency based in Berlin, Germany. They are known for their terribly cumbersome upload process that takes much time for the indexing. But they have acceptable prices. Look here (but it's in German!) http://photographer.shotshop.com/page/briefing. I have a small port there and made some good purchases during the last years.

« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2014, 17:29 »
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Are you telling me, guys, that:
I get $0,30 with DP, when I sell
Maximum 4256 x 2832 $24,90 in Shotshop?
(I have just found my images here as well, of course)
Oh, please, tell me this is bad joke, error, mistake...  :o  :-\  >:(

It obviously should be forbidden ... Who is most happy when I do my work?

Btw. I asked CanStockPhoto about PP. Take a look there  partners of canstockphoto
I'm afraid, even if you would sell an EL for 99 Euros, you would get only 30 U.S. cents from DepositPhotos.

farbled

« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2014, 17:59 »
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The only positive side I've found so far is that when I disable an image on DP (did this a few hours ago), it is no longer available on this other site (the thumb is still there, but when you click on it its gone).

« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2014, 18:20 »
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All my stuff is on shotshop too even though I opted out of partner sites more than a year ago. I just site mailed DP for an explanation.

Anyone hear back from them yet?

« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2014, 18:42 »
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Thanks for highlighting .. this is a great post! I've written to DP as well and am now waiting for their response.  Have asked to clarify both commission % from Shotshop sales (different sizes), as well as opt out options from this and other partner programs.

Am looking forward to the response so that I can figure what to do with my port on DP.

 

farbled

« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2014, 18:46 »
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I've disabled my whole port until I know more. I was already unhappy seeing xl sized photos for 30 cents, but I could deal with it sorta kinda. But this is a bit too much for me.

« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2014, 19:38 »
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Sent them an e-mail to remove me from this program and I encourage everyone to do the same.

fotorob

  • I am a professional stock photographer

« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2014, 03:20 »
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I sent an inquiry email to Depositphotos yesterday noon as well, so far no feedback.

I got feedback from Shotshop via mail, but they say they have a NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) with Depositphotos, so all financial questions need to be directed to Depositphotos.

« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2014, 03:22 »
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I opted out of their partner program 6 month ago. In December i found out that my whole portfolio is available on shotshop. I send depositphotos an mail to  clarify this topic.
This is the answer i got:

"We disabled the Partnership program for you when you required. The websites you mentioned ( newbielink:http://www.ibudgetphoto.com [nonactive] and shotshop.com) are our resellers. They sell your files under the same License agreement as we do and you get the same commission for each sold file as you get on our website.

Should you have any further questions feel free to contact us.

Kind regards,
Stacey. "



They claim in their mail  that i get the same commission for each sold file as i get on their website.
Now I found out that i get  a Subscription payment on their site when the picture was directly bought with credits on shotshop.

Yesterday i sent them another mail to clarify the payment problem.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2014, 03:33 »
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Thanks for bringing this up and calling it, what it is. Then they say it's not a partner program? But people are finding sub payments instead of the promised ratios and commissions?

They sell your files under the same License agreement as we do and you get the same commission for each sold file as you get on our website. Really? 30 cents? My front page says "Royalty: 44%" not 4%

Sounds like these folks are trying to pull a switch on all of us and steal the big money, right off the top. Sad because I was giving them a chance for some new ideas and this could just end it all.

If DP is trying to scam everyone, there needs to be a mass exodus and it needs to be exposed on every stock forum.

Waiting for the final answer.

Scam is the right word for it! What have a standard puchase to do with any subscription? I'm afraid, thats the peak of an iceberg!
« Last Edit: February 13, 2014, 03:44 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2014, 03:49 »
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If it wasn't for the subs commision  I would understand it like this: they are offering the files at the regular prices for depositphotos to shotshop. A sale on shotshop will give deposit the same result as a sale on their own site. So if a file is sold in a category that is equivalent to a 6 dollar sale on deposit, you get 44% of that, i.e. something just under 3 dollars, which fits with the 2,64 USD I have seen for "partner sales".

Deposit then gets their 56% of the 6 dollars.

Shotshop is the one that keeps the big difference.

You don't have to like it, but there is a logic in that.

However it absolutely does not explain how we end up with a subscription sale for a 20 euro single image sale.

Since we apparently cannot opt out of this "reseller programm" we will have to take other decisions if we don't like this.

I will maybe apply to shotshop to also understand how they work. If a file sells there through deposit, it would be best to deactivate on deposit and send it straight to them.


 

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