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Title: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: GeoPappas on February 28, 2007, 14:43
As the subject states, have anyone received a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?

I'm interested to see how many of them there are at this point.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: leaf on February 28, 2007, 14:46
not yet.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: madelaide on February 28, 2007, 16:02
Gladly, not yet.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: epixx on February 28, 2007, 16:10
No, and I don't worry about it. Only 1.00 sales so far today  :)
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Peiling on February 28, 2007, 21:28
When did they have this? I did not know they even have subscription sales...
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Bateleur on March 01, 2007, 00:55
None for me, happily,   :)    and I sold 7 yesterday (28 Feb)
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: red_moon_rise on March 01, 2007, 14:42
Ok. This is what I found today in my earning overview:
03/01/2007 10:47 Member download Level 1 subscription $0.50 maximum (RF) 

It seems like maximum res pictures still get you 0.50 from subscription not the 0.25 we all feared.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: nruboc on March 01, 2007, 16:04
Ok. This is what I found today in my earning overview:
03/01/2007 10:47 Member download Level 1 subscription $0.50 maximum (RF) 

It seems like maximum res pictures still get you 0.50 from subscription not the 0.25 we all feared.


Nope, the 0.25 is in effect, I just got one
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: nruboc on March 01, 2007, 16:05
...and I might add it was for the 'Maximum' size
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: beisea on March 01, 2007, 16:27
Just got a download for " Large: credit $1.50,  :D
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: jlye on March 01, 2007, 17:57
yet to get any subscription download .. but i did manage to sell 2 of the photo with the maximum payout of $2 each ..
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: eendicott on March 01, 2007, 21:36
I had a subscription download for an "additional format" today.  My take, as an exclusive, was 60 cents.

I'm not feeling too good about selling a RAW file for 60 cents.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: rjmiz on March 01, 2007, 23:42
I also got one today, and of course....the biggest size DT offers. Why of course, who can refuse a free lunch?

"I'm not feeling too good about selling a RAW file for 60 cents."
ooooooooo, that's gotta hurt! RAW!? Your selling your RAW!? Oh dear Lord....Please save this man from the Devil
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: eendicott on March 02, 2007, 01:20
The misunderstanding I had was what exactly a subscription sale is.  I didn't understand that a subscription sale would be the same thing as subscription credits.

This means that rather than getting $25.00 (50 credits x 50 cents) for an extended license, a buyer gets an extended license for $10.00 (50 credits x 20 cents).

I will be pulling my RAW files before the weekend and I am going to have to think long and hard about offering extended licenses.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: GeoPappas on March 02, 2007, 03:11
The misunderstanding I had was what exactly a subscription sale is.  I didn't understand that a subscription sale would be the same thing as subscription credits.

This means that rather than getting $25.00 (50 credits x 50 cents) for an extended license, a buyer gets an extended license for $10.00 (50 credits x 20 cents).

Huh?  I don't understand what you are saying.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: eendicott on March 02, 2007, 07:23
If a person buys a subscription, the contributor (seller) gets 20 cents per credit.  If they don't buy a subscription, the contributor (seller) gets 50 cents per credit.

Additional Formats are 4 credits - that's a 60 cent commission for subscription sales of additional formats. (based on my experience).

Extended licenses are 50 credits - that's a $10 commission for subscription sales of extended licenses.

Under the normal scheme (non subscription sale), an additional format would yield a $2 commission and an extended license would yield a $25 commission.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: GeoPappas on March 02, 2007, 08:32
If a person buys a subscription, the contributor (seller) gets 20 cents per credit.  If they don't buy a subscription, the contributor (seller) gets 50 cents per credit.

Additional Formats are 4 credits - that's a 60 cent commission for subscription sales of additional formats. (based on my experience).

Extended licenses are 50 credits - that's a $10 commission for subscription sales of extended licenses.

Under the normal scheme (non subscription sale), an additional format would yield a $2 commission and an extended license would yield a $25 commission.

Where are you getting this from?

That is not my understanding of the process in place.

Subscriptions are either 0.25 for non-exclusive or 0.30 for exclusive.

You are exclusive.  So you should have gotten a 0.30 sale, but your sale was for a RAW file.

My guess is that with RAW type files the royalty is double, so it would be either 0.50 for non-exclusive or 0.60 for exclusive.

Extended Licenses should always have a $50 royalty.  They have nothing to do with subscription sales.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: eendicott on March 02, 2007, 08:46
That is not the case.  As an exclusive, usually a RAW file sale would yield $2.40 (4 credits x 50 cents plus the exclusive bonus).  I just looked closer and I have a RAW sale on a level 1 image that occurred on December 13 for that amount.  My exclusive sale from yesterday yielded 60 cents TOTAL.  If the commission is 25 cents for subscription sales, then they must have dropped the price on additional formats to 2 credits plus the exclusive bonus.

After going through my earnings, I also didn't realize that previously, my subscription revenue was 60 cents (50 cents subscription plus the bonus).

It appears they are paying out based on credits and what those credits are worth and not dollars.

This was never explained in the announcements thread for anything other than the standard RF license.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Dr Bouz on March 03, 2007, 08:19
 just as i already said before. i'm not yet sure, but it's more likely that i am going to erase my portfolio on dt, somewhere in Jun- July.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: berryspun on March 03, 2007, 09:40
Here are some sales with the dates:

02/27/2007 (maximum, RF, $1.00)
02/27/2007 (maximum, RF, $0.50)
03/02/2007 (large, RF, $0.50)
03/02/2007 (small, RF, $0.50)
03/03/2007 (large, RF, $0.25)

Does this make sense?  Can someone explain?
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: eendicott on March 03, 2007, 11:30
It doesn't make sense to me.  Yesterday I had a download with 2005 credits as well.  After two straight months of declining sales and a new pricing program that doesn't work for my portfolio, I've already decided it isn't worth it for me anymore.  This isn't the same Dreamstime I decided to go exclusive with last August - this is Dreamstime trying to be Shutterstock.

I've disabled all of my RAW files and opted out of all the extended licenses.    I'm afraid this is the beginning of my exit from Microstock altogether.

For all the time and effort I put into the Micros, I'm getting a much better return elsewhere.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Greg Boiarsky on March 03, 2007, 11:51
Where is "elsewhere"?  Are you having luck with your Colorado photos?

For all the time and effort I put into the Micros, I'm getting a much better return elsewhere.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: eendicott on March 03, 2007, 12:08
Not as much volume, but definitely as much revenue so far.  I've been turning more to the traditional agencies.  Since I can't sell RF until my exclusivity is over (the end of March) I've been selling RM stuff.

I've also had a couple of private assignment type things here and there that pay much better.  I had a couple last fall and I have another coming up in May.  I'm currently working on a proposal to a brother of a friend that needs someone to shoot this summer some golf shots up at a couple of the ski resorts for an ad campaign.

I currently have over 750 RM oriented images pending at Alamy.  I'm going to prepare another submission of about 400 RF and RM this week - by the time Alamy gets to reviewing them, and I get to keywording them, it will be the end of March and my exclusivity will be over at DT.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: grp_photo on March 03, 2007, 13:32
My last upload to Dreamstime was last August. So i was lucky just  perfect timing i could delete the more precious files which i don't wanna dump in a subscription system in particular in full size  ;D.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: StockManiac on March 03, 2007, 20:41
This isn't the same Dreamstime I decided to go exclusive with last August - this is Dreamstime trying to be Shutterstock.

I've disabled all of my RAW files and opted out of all the extended licenses.

You are the second person (that I have noticed) that has turned from a fanatic of DT to disappointed in DT.  Seems to be turning into a pattern.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Kngkyle on March 03, 2007, 21:44
They are only doing what they can to compete with Shutterstock and Istockphoto.
They should however, give submitters the chance to remove their images without having to wait 6 months. The more of you who leave, the more those of us who stay make.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: leaf on March 04, 2007, 04:59
i am surprised at all the nay-sayers about dreamstime.  I thought they were viewed as one of the 'good' sites.  They still give 50% on their sales which rather generous compared to the other sites.  Subscription sales is probably not too different and like stockmaniac said, they are no doubt just trying to keep competitive.  With their new pricing structure I will probably be receiving more / sale than any other site.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: GeoPappas on March 05, 2007, 07:43
I received my first subscription sale yesterday, but it was for 0.50!

Here are the specifics:

Download type: Member download
Image level: Level 2
Price: subscription
Earnings: $0.50
Resolution: maximum
License: (RF)

What gives?

I'm not complaining at all, but I thought that subscription sales were supposed to be 0.25

Do higher levels receive higher subscription earnings?
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Photoguy on March 05, 2007, 08:20
I got a $3.00 DL yesterday, which was a maximum on level 3  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: ptlee on March 05, 2007, 11:54
Things a little slow at DT for me right now. No 0.25 sale yet though.

ptlee
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: madelaide on March 05, 2007, 17:09
DT is doing fine for me this month.  No 25c yet.  One exclusive image which was upgraded to level 2 got me US$3.  On average, I'm getting US$1 per dld.  Still, I think it's early to say how the subscription model will work.  I truly fear the subscription will be much cost effective for buyers and they will migrate to it.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: takestock on March 05, 2007, 17:29
Not yet for meas yet, but sales having been going very nicely in last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: eendicott on March 06, 2007, 11:30
In all fairness to DT, my revenue per image has increased by 20 cents so far this month.  I did disable all of my RAW files and my extended licenses though. 

From here on out, it's only regular RF sales for me unless something changes that doesn't allow subscription purchases to buy RAW files or extended licenses at regular prices.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Pixart on March 06, 2007, 11:39
I've been having a good month with DT so far.  I expect we won't see subscription sales immediately until everyone runs out of credits.  Time will tell!
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: GeoPappas on March 06, 2007, 11:56
I received my first subscription sale yesterday, but it was for 0.50!

Here are the specifics:

Download type: Member download
Image level: Level 2
Price: subscription
Earnings: $0.50
Resolution: maximum
License: (RF)

What gives?

I'm not complaining at all, but I thought that subscription sales were supposed to be 0.25

Do higher levels receive higher subscription earnings?


I think I finally figured it out.  It seems that there are also "old" subscription credits lying around.  If a buyer bought a subscription package under the old system, then you will receive 0.50 as a non-exclusive (or 0.60 as an exclusive) for a sale.  If a buyer buys a new subsription package, then you will receive 0.25 as a non-exclusive (or 0.30 as an exclusive) for a sale.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: epixx on March 06, 2007, 14:33
My average sales per dl is up to 0.94 in March, up from 0.83 in February and 0.87 in January. Average since May last year is 0.79, so it's certainly going in the right direction  :D
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: khwi on March 06, 2007, 19:43
not yet... i hope if there are really 25c DL,
the amount will compensate for it!
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: khwi on March 07, 2007, 13:18
i had one that says subscription, but its 0.50
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: dbvirago on March 07, 2007, 13:34
No, getting about an even amount of .50 and 1.00 with the occassional 1.50. Avg YTD is .77
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: madelaide on March 07, 2007, 18:01
I have been checking my sales and nearly each of them was with old credits.  I think it will take a while before we will see the real trend.  So far it's been good to me, especially with the level upgrade.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: scrappinstacy on March 07, 2007, 20:31
I had my first one today.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: perkmeup on March 08, 2007, 00:52
I've had 4 of them so far....but I have also had a lot of 1.50 sales and one 2.00 so it more than evens out...put only time will tell....I still a little worried about the subscription sales here.......but so far so good.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: dbvirago on March 09, 2007, 11:20
Ok, got my first one. Not impresses. DT still 2nd place ytd, but has already fallen to 3rd in March. Hope this isn't a trend.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: jcphoto on March 10, 2007, 12:32
I got my first subscription sale from dt yesterday, Frankly I do so little there it seems like it isn't worth it to be there. The subscription model works well at SS because of volume, DT doesn't generate(at least for me) the kind of views nor downloads required to keep me interested in contributing. Of course I have a very small port there, so maybe i just need to relax a little and not worry,but I just feel that the sub. is a poor fit for that site.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Freezingpictures on March 11, 2007, 02:28
The sub. with 25c just started, you should give it some time, and I am sure, there will be more sales :) The good thing about DT is, you do not have to upload constantly to keep your sales at a high level as you have to do with SS.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: khwi on March 13, 2007, 01:21
gosh! i got my first 0.25 today,
not too happy abt it.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Dr Bouz on March 13, 2007, 04:33
i had first 025 on friday. my flags are on the half of the spear  :-[ ....
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Freezingpictures on March 13, 2007, 07:20
Yay, I got one too, thats 25 cents more than I would have normally got  I guess.  :D
I am happy, because my thinking is, that people who bought that subscription will dld more images than usual. So I most probably didn't get that dl if it wasn't because of the subscription. Hopefully they increase :-)
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: epixx on March 13, 2007, 11:05
I'm not too worried about those 0.25 sales. There's a reason why SS is the biggest earner for most of us. A lot of sales can only be a good thing.... I hope  ::)
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: madelaide on March 13, 2007, 17:51
Got one today...  Ok, so far not bad, earnings are doing fine, but what will happen when people run out of old credits?

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: admart01 on March 13, 2007, 20:58
I sold a cool one - for .50 to Dreamstime!  They used it on their site's blog.  Here's the link -- mine's the one with all the magnetic words on it.  (just thought I'd share  :-[ )

http://www.dreamstime.com/a-kick-in-the-creative-pants_blog_art10



Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Opla on March 14, 2007, 01:53
Got one 25c sale too. A hour later, the same picture sold for $1.50.

Is there a way to see all sales of one picture at DT?
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Freezingpictures on March 14, 2007, 02:46
Got one 25c sale too. A hour later, the same picture sold for $1.50.

Is there a way to see all sales of one picture at DT?

Yes there is, under "Your Earnings" click on the thumbnail of the picture.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Freezingpictures on March 14, 2007, 02:50
Got one today...  Ok, so far not bad, earnings are doing fine, but what will happen when people run out of old credits?

Regards,
Adelaide


They will buy new ones :-) And we'll have more dls and more earnings I would guess..
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Opla on March 14, 2007, 03:03
Got one 25c sale too. A hour later, the same picture sold for $1.50.

Is there a way to see all sales of one picture at DT?

Yes there is, under "Your Earnings" click on the thumbnail of the picture.

Cool, thanks!
Spent some time looking for this, must be getting daft.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Dr Bouz on March 14, 2007, 16:36
I'm not too worried about those 0.25 sales. There's a reason why SS is the biggest earner for most of us. A lot of sales can only be a good thing.... I hope  ::)

 why don't you try to STOP uploading on ss, and tell us than - if ss was top earner for that month? :) - you'll be (unpleasantly) surprised.
 well, i don't know. for now, i stopped uploading on dt, and i'll wait until june-july - to make final conclusion, but for now, i think that dt does not representing my (and all of non-exclusive submitters) on the best possible way.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Pixart on March 14, 2007, 17:32
Got first 2 today = .50.  It was the first sale for both:  not-so-spectacular agriculture pix that I took last fall.   I guess it's time for the next farm season, I've had a few agriculture sales lately. 
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: red_moon_rise on March 15, 2007, 09:44
I am affraid that the well documented freshness advantage at SS is a direct result of the subscription model. So I think DT will increase the appeal of new images the more subscribers it can attract. But, by having the regular per picture price the effect will never be as strong as in SS. The only pictures that are not part of the SS freshness factor are editorial pics. It happened once and never again - sort of.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: sim on March 15, 2007, 10:24
Well I had my first 25c subscription download, and then I just had an image sell at $1 then another at $2, both at maximum size?! It is a lottery as to what each Dl will pay, but, the DL's are still coming in. So I am happy  :)
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Dr Bouz on March 15, 2007, 11:43
ha ha. 
 that's really good - dt erased my post, and one of administrators sent me a message which says that i should carefully "check my numbers"  before posting...(and theme is closed).

 that's like -  when i see stormy clouds approaching, and say "ok people, -there are some heavy clouds on the sky let's take some shelter, -hurricane is about to come" - and answer is - "come on - don't bother us - it's just a few of roofs destroyed a few towns away... let's wait if it's really going to hurt us.."
 
 - i rarely wait for hurricanes to kill me, and my family, and destroy our home... - now i'm almost sure - dt is going to change his owner in less than a year .
 
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: madelaide on March 16, 2007, 20:41
Got another today.

I'm curious though about one thing in the earnings statistics.  For this image, I have:

  Downloads: 2 
  Downloaded by: 2 members, 0 guests 
  Version:
    old and 2006 credits : 0 small, 0 maximum, 0 additional
    2007 credits : 0 small, 0 medium, 0 large, 0 maximum, 0 additional
  Total: $ 0.50

So subscription sales are not listed in the Version/credits, is it so?

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: GeoPappas on March 17, 2007, 08:19
I'm curious though about one thing in the earnings statistics.  For this image, I have:

  Downloads: 2 
  Downloaded by: 2 members, 0 guests 
  Version:
    old and 2006 credits : 0 small, 0 maximum, 0 additional
    2007 credits : 0 small, 0 medium, 0 large, 0 maximum, 0 additional
  Total: $ 0.50

So subscription sales are not listed in the Version/credits, is it so?

Madelaide:

I have had two subscription sales (@ 0.50 apiece) since the new 2007 prices started.  I checked both of the images and they both are counted in the "old and 2006 credits" section in the "maximum" column.

I would think that yours should be listed under the "2007 credits" section in the "maximum" column, since they are for 0.25 apiece.  Maybe there is a bug in their system.  You might want to report it.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: khwi on March 18, 2007, 03:20
got a few 0.25 on saturday.
weekends used to be very quiet.
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: madelaide on March 18, 2007, 20:24
Another one today... They're starting to pick up!  :(

GeoPappas,

I will report it, it is still showing like that.  The one downloaded today also still shows this mistake.  Subs at 50c show ok.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Anyone receive a subscription sale (@ 0.25) yet?
Post by: Bateleur on March 25, 2007, 02:40
Aw ... shoot!

Got my first one today. A large size, too. And just 25c.