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djmorgan

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« on: June 04, 2009, 02:58 »

I decided to go exclusive with IS all the other agencies I submitted to understood my plight and closed my account and deleted images, EXCEPT DT they hold the line of their Agreement and won't let me delete images until they are 6 months old.

This will stop me going exclusive, and effect income, any thoughts as to what I can do  Huh

David


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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2009, 03:06 »

Sorry but the only thing you can do is wait the 6 months that you agreed to when you signed on with them. Many people have tried unsuccesfully to break the agreement but it's just a matter of being patient.


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gostwyck

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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2009, 03:37 »

... any thoughts as to what I can do  Huh

David

Yes __ you could try being man enough to honour the terms of your contract without complaining.

Would you expect them to write for advice on forums asking how they could wriggle out of paying you for example?


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crazychristina


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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2009, 04:06 »

It's a bit late now but it might have been wise to keep images on the other sites until the six months was up, so as not to lose too much income.


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djmorgan

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2009, 04:19 »

... any thoughts as to what I can do  Huh

David

Yes __ you could try being man enough to honour the terms of your contract without complaining.

Would you expect them to write for advice on forums asking how they could wriggle out of paying you for example?

I have no problem honouring terms of an Agreement, other agencies had no problems letting me go.


I do have a right to ask questions if you see it as complaing then that is your problem. a complaint would be me saying why in the past 2 weeks has DT taken back sales due to credit card fraud?
Another thing unique to DT....see! that's what's called complaing


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crazychristina


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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2009, 04:26 »

BTW it's not 6 months from uploading, it's 6 months from going online. If you deactivate and reactivate again, the 6 months starts counting again.


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CvanDijk



« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2009, 04:30 »

You can delete 30% (i'm not sure if this is the right percentage) of the images that have the waiting period of 6 months. Start with the new ones and then maybe you have to wait less than 6 months


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gostwyck

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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2009, 04:38 »

I have no problem honouring terms of an Agreement, other agencies had no problems letting me go.

I do have a right to ask questions if you see it as complaing then that is your problem. a complaint would be me saying why in the past 2 weeks has DT taken back sales due to credit card fraud?
Another thing unique to DT....see! that's what's called complaing

Good. Actually BigStock, if you had been with them, would also have insisted on their 90-day-following-acceptance rule too.

FT take back sales from credit card fraud too __ I have had far more there than at DT. Of course DT are paying out 50% commission so it is perhaps not that surprising that they can't afford to waive fraud charges.


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null



« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2009, 04:49 »

This will stop me going exclusive, and effect income, any thoughts as to what I can do  Huh

Read the fine print next time. You could also set your exclusive buyout price at 1$ and then buy your pictures yourself at DT Tongue


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Milinz


« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2009, 04:57 »

This will stop me going exclusive, and effect income, any thoughts as to what I can do  Huh

Read the fine print next time. You could also set your exclusive buyout price at 1$ and then buy your pictures yourself at DT Tongue

This one is very GREAT idea FlemishDreams!

I'd do that if I am OP.

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djmorgan

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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2009, 05:15 »

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Good. Actually BigStock, if you had been with them, would also have insisted on their 90-day-following-acceptance rule too.

I was! guess what they let me go


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gostwyck

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2009, 05:26 »

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Good. Actually BigStock, if you had been with them, would also have insisted on their 90-day-following-acceptance rule too.

I was! guess what they let me go

Really? I am amazed. I once asked BigStock to disable a file that I wished to make exclusive elsewhere. It turned out that the file had been approved 85 days earlier and, even though it had no views or sales, they insisted that I had to email them again in 5 days time before they would act upon my request.


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alias


« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2009, 06:12 »

Don't fall out with DT over the 6 month thing because one day you might want to start uploading to them again.

I fell out with them in a series of emails and now, a few years later, I feel a bit stupid about it. Because I expect it would be difficult to rebuild a relationship there if I ever wanted to.

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DanP68


« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2009, 10:19 »

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Good. Actually BigStock, if you had been with them, would also have insisted on their 90-day-following-acceptance rule too.

I was! guess what they let me go


Well, it turns out your portfolio must be quite expendable.

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cthoman



« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2009, 10:31 »

I do have a right to ask questions if you see it as complaing then that is your problem. a complaint would be me saying why in the past 2 weeks has DT taken back sales due to credit card fraud?
Another thing unique to DT....see! that's what's called complaing


Credit card fraud isn't unique to DT. I had fraud happen to me at iStock as well.


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puravida



« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2009, 10:33 »

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Good. Actually BigStock, if you had been with them, would also have insisted on their 90-day-following-acceptance rule too.

I was! guess what they let me go


Well, it turns out your portfolio must be quite expendable.

rofl. no seriously, Dan P68 could be right. Bigstock insists on 90 day rule because clients do bookmark your images and if they come back to buy in before your 90 days hold to find it is not there, they can be quite pissed off with Bigstock. At least that was the reason Support gave me for needing to hold our images for 90 days.


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stockastic


« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2009, 10:36 »

6 months! What a drag. 

Since their recent search changes, my sales at DT are now so low I'm seriously thinking about dropping out now in case I want to go exclusive somewhere else in the future.  I sell 10 times more on SS, and FT has pulled way ahead of DT.     


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willie


« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2009, 11:06 »

6 months! What a drag. 

Since their recent search changes, my sales at DT are now so low I'm seriously thinking about dropping out now in case I want to go exclusive somewhere else in the future.  I sell 10 times more on SS, and FT has pulled way ahead of DT.     

FUNNY you should say that. I feel the same way now about DT these past quarterly. They seem to be performing badly even though I am getting more approved images. Maybe I should think about slowing down with uploading new images too, as I am getting better results with FT since I started with them earlier this year. And yes, I am playing with the thought of going exclusive too.
But I want to see what Veer marketplace holds in store before deciding. And June 8 is almost here for my port to be ported from SV.


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Freezingpictures


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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2009, 11:16 »

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Good. Actually BigStock, if you had been with them, would also have insisted on their 90-day-following-acceptance rule too.

I was! guess what they let me go


Well, it turns out your portfolio must be quite expendable.

rofl. no seriously, Dan P68 could be right. Bigstock insists on 90 day rule because clients do bookmark your images and if they come back to buy in before your 90 days hold to find it is not there, they can be quite pissed off with Bigstock. At least that was the reason Support gave me for needing to hold our images for 90 days.

Thats a weird argument. What if when the buyer bookmarks the image one day before the 90 days are over? But I understand that it can be quite annoying for a buyer. Yesterday I had to relicense a few images from a design for a client, and it would have been very bad, if the images would not have been there anymore. Non the less I have no understanding for the 6 month policy of Dreamstime. It's just making life more difficult for the contributors.  It works at other agencies without this policy, why not with DT??
Anyway I rather accept this policy than not submitting to DT at all. Otherwise DT is quite a good agency.



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Pixart


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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2009, 11:21 »


I do have a right to ask questions if you see it as complaing then that is your problem. a complaint would be me saying why in the past 2 weeks has DT taken back sales due to credit card fraud?
Another thing unique to DT....see! that's what's called complaing


Don't kid yourself.  Istock will do the same, they have reversed credits in my account.


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Read_My_Rights


« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2009, 11:28 »

I forgot if you can edit the keywords after acceptance in DT. In case you can, just delete all keywords,descriptions and titles or change them to something nonsensical and just become exclusive with IS. If the pictures can not be found on DT they are effectively not for sale anymore.

just my 1.5 cents


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gostwyck

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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2009, 11:32 »

Non the less I have no understanding for the 6 month policy of Dreamstime. It's just making life more difficult for the contributors.  It works at other agencies without this policy, why not with DT??
Anyway I rather accept this policy than not submitting to DT at all. Otherwise DT is quite a good agency.

Don't forget that 'exclusivity' at IS was basically introduced to protect IS's position against the emerging competition, notably SS, CanStockPhoto and DT.

DT later devised their 6-month policy (originally they tried to make it one-year!) as a countermeasure to protect themselves against IS's exclusivity deal.

One of the significant up-front costs in any agency is that of reviewing new images. Judging by file numbers it looks like they generally inspect 2 or 3 images for every one they accept and possibly only 50% of those actually go on to become reasonable sellers and provide a return on the original investment. I don't think it's unreasonable to insist on an image remain on the site for 6 months. After all no-one is forced to upload their work to any agency.


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lisafx
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2009, 11:33 »

It's a bit late now but it might have been wise to keep images on the other sites until the six months was up, so as not to lose too much income.

This is the best advice.  Too late for djmorgan, but good advice to anyone planning to go exclusive with IS in the future.  

Out of curiosity DJ, were you aware of the 6 month hold?  

If so, why did you delete at other sites first rather than keep them up and collect the income while you wait out the DT holding period?

Too bad you didn't read this forum earlier.  There are many threads about this subject and in every case Dreamstime stuck to their 6 month hold.

I also agree with Alias that it is a bad idea to fall out with any of the agencies, particularly those in the big 6, in order to go exclusive.  You never know when you might need to recross those bridges you burned.


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stockastic


« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2009, 11:34 »

I forgot if you can edit the keywords after acceptance in DT. In case you can, just delete all keywords,descriptions and titles or change them to something nonsensical and just become exclusive with IS. If the pictures can not be found on DT they are effectively not for sale anymore.

I think that would take a heckuva long time to accomplish, and wouldn't satisfy the requirement anyway.

I'm now thinking seriously of dropping out of DT.  Microstock is changing rapidly and the picture could be very different even 6 months from now. I don't want to be locked in to a site that isn't generating any sales for me anyway.



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Pixart


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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2009, 11:35 »

I forgot if you can edit the keywords after acceptance in DT. In case you can, just delete all keywords,descriptions and titles or change them to something nonsensical and just become exclusive with IS. If the pictures can not be found on DT they are effectively not for sale anymore.

just my 1.5 cents
Good way to take a stand, but if he's trapped there why not make some moola for the next 6 months.


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