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Title: Dead dead and dead
Post by: photog-teo on April 10, 2017, 13:49
Over 6000 images Q1 2017: 12 $    :o

2017 its totally a very bad year for me ? for DR ? i don't know !

FT on the other hand looks better and better for me at least


Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: CJH Photography on April 10, 2017, 15:23
Over 6000 images Q1 2017: 12 $    :o

2017 its totally a very bad year for me ? for DR ? i don't know !

FT on the other hand looks better and better for me at least
I have 765 online with earnings of $27.12 fwiw.  Unfortunately, most of my sales are niche photos in an area that I can't readily scale up at this point.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on April 10, 2017, 17:19
well i managed to have a pout in january feb and march 65 dollar...not bad for the 2016i hade...first 10 days of april...1 dollar!! with 4000 images. nothing uploaded after 2016 selling. a company nisedoving to the ending i bet in less than a bunch of year.
i read they changed the search in april. hope other sell to keep alive this that was a very good platform once.
this month beaten even by feature pics. unbelievable. it was my strong second earner till 2014. then nosediving.
i have to say that every month i have 3 4 days i sell very good for more than 15 20 dollar. so hope they are to come soon:)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Mantis on April 10, 2017, 19:03
I am not sure if it is lack of customers or over supply of contributors, or both.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: mboy on April 11, 2017, 00:23
I had a huge 50 credits sale in Jan and after that it has been slow, slow, slow...
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: baz777 on April 11, 2017, 01:02
Q1 $81.27 with 2187 images online.  Looking at the stats it about average for the past year irrespective of uploading more images.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Lana on April 11, 2017, 01:05
it's about 1,5 month without a single sale for me there. I had about 5$ a month before that, not much but no sales for so long is still weird
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: skyfish on April 11, 2017, 01:28
There are problems. Not normal when you receive multiple e-mails about old files, i have 5 or 7 copies last days.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: photosis on April 11, 2017, 01:29
This year, not a single sale on a small port of 180 images (13 sales totally)
But i uploaded nothing this year
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on April 11, 2017, 01:47
Funnily enough I had a small "spike" last month but back to business as usual.....for me the site that has declined the most. One time top 4 noiw in danger of being caught by Bigstock etc
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 11, 2017, 01:55
Strange that people have such different experiences with sites. DT has always been a good earner for me, while I have never been able to get alamy to take off for example.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: mboy on April 11, 2017, 01:58
at least the review time is much shorter now 1-2 days
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 11, 2017, 02:06
There are problems. Not normal when you receive multiple e-mails about old files, i have 5 or 7 copies last days.
If you uploaded a bunch on a certain day and several of them haven't sold three (?) years later you will get an e-mail for each of the unsold files asking what you want to do with them.
It IS normal.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 11, 2017, 02:10
My earnings per upload seem to be about the same as BAZ and CHJ.  My portfolio is not "High Commercial Value", it's basically food and travel with hardly any people shots.
The return is currently about 1c per month per upload. As I've got thousands of files online it is still enough to pay the occasional bill, whether it is worth the effort to upload more is something people need to work out for themselves. I'll still send stuff sometimes if I have nothing else to do but I don't expect an exciting return from extra effort any longer.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 11, 2017, 02:13
Sales on Dreamstime were much better for me in 2016 compared to this year. DT in 2017 is just about dead. Though I still continue to upload to this site because I live in hope.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: skyfish on April 11, 2017, 02:14
There are problems. Not normal when you receive multiple e-mails about old files, i have 5 or 7 copies last days.
If you uploaded a bunch on a certain day and several of them haven't sold three (?) years later you will get an e-mail for each of the unsold files asking what you want to do with them.
It IS normal.
Thank you for explanation! I even don't remember when i stopped to upload there :-)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 11, 2017, 02:18
I am not sure if it is lack of customers or over supply of contributors, or both.
It's both. It has to be.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 11, 2017, 03:01
Over 2000 images online. I would classify them as HCV files having releases and in very commercial categories. DT is actually one of the very few agencies that some time back acknowledged the fact that they are letting everyone have a bite at the cherry. Fair play so to speak. I dont know what it entails but some months are Ok other months just terrible. This nonsense of fair is in my books completely crazy and derogatory in the long run since established members simply dont upload.

I personally think they have also lost tons of buyers and cant keep up with the main four.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 11, 2017, 03:58
Looking at the stats of random Dreamstime contributors on their forums, I note that some people have done exceptionally well there. Their number of sales far exceeds their number of uploads. And in some cases, it's over 20,000 sales. Though I'm guessing that a lot of these impressive figures occurred in the distant past when things were supposedly 'better' - the glory days so to speak?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 11, 2017, 04:13
Looking at the stats of random Dreamstime contributors on their forums, I note that some people have done exceptionally well there. Their number of sales far exceeds their number of uploads. And in some cases, it's over 20,000 sales. Though I'm guessing that a lot of these impressive figures occurred in the distant past when things were supposedly 'better' - the glory days so to speak?

Oh absolutely I have over 20K sales there but 90% of those before 2015 after that its just turned very sour.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 11, 2017, 04:46
Looking at the stats of random Dreamstime contributors on their forums, I note that some people have done exceptionally well there. Their number of sales far exceeds their number of uploads. And in some cases, it's over 20,000 sales. Though I'm guessing that a lot of these impressive figures occurred in the distant past when things were supposedly 'better' - the glory days so to speak?

Oh absolutely I have over 20K sales there but 90% of those before 2015 after that its just turned very sour.

2008/9 was my high point. I'm only selling a third now of what I did then and, of course, my portfolio is a lot bigger than it was in those days. Overall I've got close to 30,000 DT sales but that is over almost 13 years, so it's only a bit above 2,000 a year on average.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Stockmaan on April 11, 2017, 05:51
Funny emails about old files without sales ...  ;D

Byebye DT  8)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: CJH Photography on April 11, 2017, 08:52
My earnings per upload seem to be about the same as BAZ and CHJ.  My portfolio is not "High Commercial Value", it's basically food and travel with hardly any people shots.
The return is currently about 1c per month per upload. As I've got thousands of files online it is still enough to pay the occasional bill, whether it is worth the effort to upload more is something people need to work out for themselves. I'll still send stuff sometimes if I have nothing else to do but I don't expect an exciting return from extra effort any longer.
I keep experimenting with ways to increase revenue, but really with the investment I have in equipment now, I need to step out and do more direct marketing.  Just upgraded to some solid video heads and tripods, so I am looking around locally to see how to make them pay off.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: PixelBytes on April 11, 2017, 15:23
Weirdly, for me DT has held its value better than any site except FT/Adobe.  I'm happy with my sales at DT.  Better knock on wood tho.  Don't want to jinks it.    ;)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on April 11, 2017, 16:04
As with all sites it's more about YOUR individual search placement than anything else. A small site with fewer buyers can outsell the biggest site many times over if you are hidden at the big site, but very visible at the small site.

No site is the best for all.

I sell very well at some smaller sites where I know the search engine well and my stuff shows up on page 1-2 for common searches. At some big sites with 100 times more buyers I still don't sell much because it's simply impossible to find my stuff and there's nothing I can do about it except wait a few years for sales so I can rise higher in search.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: angelawaye on April 11, 2017, 21:51
I like DT. They never "surprise" you with crazy changes. I did very well in the glory days but they still do okay now BUT nothing new is ever downloaded so I don't upload new stuff...
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 12, 2017, 00:58
I have very small portfolios on the stock sites that I contribute to but in the beginning, things looked quite promising on Dreamstime (when the sales started.) At the time, I had a tiny, tiny port on Dreamstime and sales started tricking in. Meanwhile, iStockphoto was not doing well at all - I had just one sale there and it seemed pointless continuing to upload there. Then later things changed - iStock really took off - generating more and more sales. And Dreamstime's sales pretty much dried up. So now it's pretty much the opposite situation with both agencies.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 12, 2017, 08:42
Lack of buyers and very little trafic. Even their exclusives threaten to leave exclusivity. Something isnt right?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Deni Williams on April 12, 2017, 08:58
How much you earn for each sale in DT?
Just to know.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: CJH Photography on April 12, 2017, 10:23
How much you earn for each sale in DT?
Just to know.
It's going to vary. My average RPD for 2016 was $1.98.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: pancaketom on April 12, 2017, 10:37
My RPD so far this month is 0.45   I think the highest quarter it was 2.14 the last year avg is 1.06 and overall is 1.27


This site has become almost exclusively a subs site. The $2 subs make a difference when they happen and the increasingly rare credit sales are nice, especially when they aren't level 0 images.

They aren't totally dead for me, but they don't give me much hope for improvement, especially since new image sales are very rare although I suppose that helps keep my older images selling.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: photosis on April 12, 2017, 10:55
Today my first sale of the year :)
Maybe i gona upload some new photo's
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 12, 2017, 17:41
This site has become almost exclusively a subs site. The $2 subs make a difference when they happen and the increasingly rare credit sales are nice, especially when they aren't level 0 images.

Ive had one credit sale which happened to be one of my first sales on Dreamstime - in 2016. At that stage, I only had about 20 images uploaded. No credit sales since - just subs.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 13, 2017, 03:19
I still get surges of credit sales, without them things would be a bit dire.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on April 13, 2017, 06:17
first half of march 35 dollar
first half of april 2,35 dollar...

they change search engine algorithm according to their forum. i can see the benefit.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 13, 2017, 06:36
Yes they changed it from "most relevant" and it really shows. Disaster everywhere even all their exclusives are complaing bitterly.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 13, 2017, 06:40
I still get surges of credit sales, without them things would be a bit dire.

Paul!  how do you do it? haha!  you always seem to get sales and now credit sales when everyone else is starving alive. DT is right now pushing subs like nobody's business and a changed algorithm that seems to benefit nobody.
Good luck to you! you seam to score where everyone else fail.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 13, 2017, 09:30
I still get surges of credit sales, without them things would be a bit dire.

Paul!  how do you do it? haha!  you always seem to get sales and now credit sales when everyone else is starving alive. DT is right now pushing subs like nobody's business and a changed algorithm that seems to benefit nobody.
Good luck to you! you seam to score where everyone else fail.
How do I do it? By having a portfolio that spans 13 years so it doesn't matter much what age files are selling, by having 5,000 images on DT and a record of sales that may (possibly) give me a personal boost in the search, by having some niche stuff - Qatar - that isn't availalble to most people, and maybe by being easily kept happy since I won't starve even if I never sell another photo, and by trying to regard the glass as being half full rather than half empty.
I was surprised to see that nothing I've uploaded in the last two years has sold - I haven't uploaded much, only a couple of hundred pics in all,  but there are a couple of stunning Qatar cityscapes that are doing well over on SS and ought to be selling on DT too.
As I said earlier, my income on DT is down to a third of what it was ten years ago, so it's not all rosy. But this month I've had half-a-dozen so far that are either $2 subscription sales or credit sales for up to $10.

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: WindyTai on April 13, 2017, 12:05
I got about 140$ until the end of March in 2017 from 2400 files
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 13, 2017, 12:42
I still get surges of credit sales, without them things would be a bit dire.

Paul!  how do you do it? haha!  you always seem to get sales and now credit sales when everyone else is starving alive. DT is right now pushing subs like nobody's business and a changed algorithm that seems to benefit nobody.
Good luck to you! you seam to score where everyone else fail.
How do I do it? By having a portfolio that spans 13 years so it doesn't matter much what age files are selling, by having 5,000 images on DT and a record of sales that may (possibly) give me a personal boost in the search, by having some niche stuff - Qatar - that isn't availalble to most people, and maybe by being easily kept happy since I won't starve even if I never sell another photo, and by trying to regard the glass as being half full rather than half empty.
I was surprised to see that nothing I've uploaded in the last two years has sold - I haven't uploaded much, only a couple of hundred pics in all,  but there are a couple of stunning Qatar cityscapes that are doing well over on SS and ought to be selling on DT too.
As I said earlier, my income on DT is down to a third of what it was ten years ago, so it's not all rosy. But this month I've had half-a-dozen so far that are either $2 subscription sales or credit sales for up to $10.

Good one! but Im not far behind you with some 10 years in micro and 19 years in the RM sector and thats where I score. Yore right though your pics never ages and thats possibly one of the reasons could also.
Before their searc change I had about the same many credit sales per day and some around the $9 mark but this time around the search slammed a door on that.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: LDV81 on April 13, 2017, 15:04
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Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 13, 2017, 21:32
I first heard about microstock (in particular iStockphoto) several years ago. I was considering joining up back then but didn't take the plunge. I just let things slide. And I really regret that now. I keep hearing how things were so much better back then from a selling point of view.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on April 14, 2017, 10:48
It was a good month with a bunch of 4k sales, but they all got refunded (fraud or something). What a joke...
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: pancaketom on April 14, 2017, 20:21
I should whine more often, Wed, Thurs, and Fri DT has outperformed SS for me.

I had one credit sale each day on DT, sadly SS has been like weekend days for the last 3 days, so it isn't so much that DT is doing well but that SS is really really underperforming. I think if they hadn't taken out the weekly stats it would be a new low, beating even Christmas to new years lows.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 15, 2017, 02:37
I first heard about microstock (in particular iStockphoto) several years ago. I was considering joining up back then but didn't take the plunge. I just let things slide. And I really regret that now. I keep hearing how things were so much better back then from a selling point of view.

Istock many years back was the Rolls Royce of microstock and there is little doubt had Bruce not sold it to Getty and still been in charge the micro-stock climate would be very different today. Oringer at SS would never have gotten the chance to his fame and fortune. Sure SS would have been big but basically it was the screw-up and mistreatment of IS done by Getty that paved the way for Shutterstock.

Its a shame really because the dominance of SS dont really benefit anybody but SS themselves in the long run that is.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on April 15, 2017, 02:56
Lack of competition is bad even for SS in the long run....they will get complacent and when a rival really  gets its act together they wont be able to react. There may be some evidence this is happening the next set of quarterly figures will be interesting.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Dumc on April 15, 2017, 10:49
My 2017 statistics with about 1200 files: Jan: 19 sales 44$ - Feb: 14 sales, 28$ - Mar: 11 sales, 5$.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Gigì on April 15, 2017, 17:53
Unfortunately I have to agree with you
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 16, 2017, 01:52
DT!  was once one of the premiere agencies with great credit sales good editing and so on. Sadly the competition is beginning to kill them off. I don't know whats happened there really they keep swapping search as often as SS nowadays and it dont seem to lead anywhere except annoying lots of their exclusives to the point where they quit exclusivity.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on April 16, 2017, 02:31
DT!  was once one of the premiere agencies with great credit sales good editing and so on. Sadly the competition is beginning to kill them off. I don't know whats happened there really they keep swapping search as often as SS nowadays and it dont seem to lead anywhere except annoying lots of their exclusives to the point where they quit exclusivity.
I thought DT were always the kings of image search switching certainly they were always the most inconsistent site for me. I always found their reviews pretty fair and liked the "style" sadly though the sales are not there which is what really matters.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 16, 2017, 03:07
DT!  was once one of the premiere agencies with great credit sales good editing and so on. Sadly the competition is beginning to kill them off. I don't know whats happened there really they keep swapping search as often as SS nowadays and it dont seem to lead anywhere except annoying lots of their exclusives to the point where they quit exclusivity.
I thought DT were always the kings of image search switching certainly they were always the most inconsistent site for me. I always found their reviews pretty fair and liked the "style" sadly though the sales are not there which is what really matters.

Well I am going back some years actually! but around 4/5 years back they were really good and always one of the main four.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: alex_n on April 17, 2017, 15:29
Dead? Wish they were.
September 2016 - March 2017: about $360 total, $120 from it was refunded lately, several clips. Right now I OWE 30 bucks to that lazy and incompetent bunch of amateurs.
Stay away from them.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on April 17, 2017, 16:10
Dead? Wish they were.
September 2016 - March 2017: about $360 total, $120 from it was refunded lately, several clips. Right now I OWE 30 bucks to that lazy and incompetent bunch of amateurs.
Stay away from them.

Yup, had 5 4k refunds last week ($105)... Something's not right.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on April 18, 2017, 01:03
Abysmal. Tragic. Dead. Poor. Waste of time.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 18, 2017, 01:39
Haha! youre right^^  not only Dt but almost all of them. I recon if we knew what these people in these agencies get up to in order to make quick profits we would probably not upload one single file. I also think there are big reasons why employees at these agencies are asked to sign a document of confidentiality so not to go waffling around to members. :D
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: alex_n on April 18, 2017, 02:46
Dead? Wish they were.
September 2016 - March 2017: about $360 total, $120 from it was refunded lately, several clips. Right now I OWE 30 bucks to that lazy and incompetent bunch of amateurs.
Stay away from them.

Yup, had 5 4k refunds last week ($105)... Something's not right.

After notification about my account termination I got 20 downloads of images and a clip in two days. The usual monthly number of downloads there is 20-30. The worst thing about multiple refunds is that those clips most likely will end up in some free clip torrent collection.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on April 29, 2017, 12:49
Yay! I made less than two dollars this month with 2000 images the worst performance in four years!

I added quite a large number of images in March and April and this is how they reward me

 >:(
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: LDV81 on April 29, 2017, 15:47
My RPI this month at DT is around $0.10. Nowadays, it is usually around $0.12 - 0.15.
In the good old days it was between $0.25 and $0.35, I think.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Asthebelltolls on April 29, 2017, 17:41
My RPI this month at DT is around $0.10. Nowadays, it is usually around $0.12 - 0.15.
In the good old days it was between $0.25 and $0.35, I think.

....and mine is $035. I can't understand how it is that everything and anything, from small to Tiff is going for the flat rate of $0.35.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Lana on April 30, 2017, 01:02
My 2017 statistics with about 1200 files: Jan: 19 sales 44$ - Feb: 14 sales, 28$ - Mar: 11 sales, 5$.

your RPD is good though from month to month
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: LDV81 on April 30, 2017, 05:18
My RPI this month at DT is around $0.10. Nowadays, it is usually around $0.12 - 0.15.
In the good old days it was between $0.25 and $0.35, I think.

....and mine is $035. I can't understand how it is that everything and anything, from small to Tiff is going for the flat rate of $0.35.

You're confusing RPI with RPD.
My RPD this month is $1.10.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on May 03, 2017, 11:51
People often complain about slow sales or lack of sales on DT these days. Though is anyone else finding this year particularly bad? I know Ive mentioned that I don't have all that many photos on DT but the interesting thing is the majority of my sales on there were from 2016. 2017 by contrast is just about dead. It's like someone pulled a switch or something. I also notice a number of newcomers to DT with ports of 323 photos, 348 photos, 93 photos etc with 0 sales. Must be so hard being a new contributor there in this current climate.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Mantis on May 03, 2017, 23:34
Dt blows
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on May 10, 2017, 04:18
I stopped uploading to DT a while ago no point. Dead and the rest are dying. 2017 is a car crash year for my business income. I will have to look at part time work if it continues.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on May 10, 2017, 04:22
 "616,208 photos this week" Scary!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Chichikov on May 10, 2017, 04:31
Funny emails about old files without sales ...  ;D

Byebye DT  8)

Same here.
Some of them are my very best sellers on SS and FT…
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on May 20, 2017, 06:39
I can go weeks and weeks and still see my earnings to be the same. I wish I could just remove everything.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Chichikov on May 20, 2017, 09:20
Dt blows

Dt deflates…
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Dodie on May 22, 2017, 09:54
I can go weeks and weeks and still see my earnings to be the same. I wish I could just remove everything.

Same thoughts here too.
I am stuck at $86.84 and nothing happens, $ 0.35 for May.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on May 25, 2017, 11:55
I actually made a sale a few days ago on DT. That's a pretty rare phenomenon these days.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on May 25, 2017, 12:11
I'm actually having a reasonable month by recent dismal standards...this sees  to happen every few months just to keep my flickering hopes alive. Hard to believe they were once top four.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on June 20, 2017, 08:51
Getting fed up with their "Old Images With No Downloads" emails. Who cares, they  are absolutely useless.

Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead! :-\
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: stockastic on June 20, 2017, 09:53
A few months ago I sent them an "old agency with hardly any sales" email and closed my account.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Oligo on June 20, 2017, 10:59
DieT
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jav on June 20, 2017, 13:14
I stopped uploading content several years ago, the policy of deleting files seemed to me very bad. It is impossible to build a portfolio in that way. And I do not see big commercial opportunities in DT
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Brightontl on June 20, 2017, 17:47
I decided to give them a try a couple of months ago.
I had immediately a good bunch of sales (like 6 or 7, including also a video sale), the usual welcome aboard package.
The next month I only got a ridiculous photo sale.
It is still early time, I will give them another couple of months, but so far it doesn't bode well.

At the same time time I feel for the minnows and I don't want to say anything bad about them, they are just being eaten up by the big guys.
Consolidation is the name of the game
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: ShadySue on June 20, 2017, 19:59
At the same time time I feel for the minnows and I don't want to say anything bad about them, they are just being eaten up by the big guys.

But DT wasn't always a minnow, it used to be solidly in the Big Four.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sandatksf on June 20, 2017, 21:02
New things never sells at DT. This is my 10th year at DT. I don't know what is the reason behind this :(  but 2+ yrs old illustrations are still selling well. So DT is still my best earner with only 3000 illustrations. 
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Steveball on June 21, 2017, 03:37
1 sub in the last month so things are looking up! All other sites are dead including SS with only 1 OD and 5 zero days so far in June. Searching for a better outlet which is more sustainable.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on June 21, 2017, 07:22
DT has been a steady grower for me for years, making 1/4-1/3 of SS, until the last couple of months when I am doing worse than same months previous years. Not sure what happened, if it is me or a general loss of buyers on the site?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: josephjacobs on June 25, 2017, 08:16
DT has been dead for me for a while now...
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on June 25, 2017, 08:16
Surprisingly I'm having a fair number of sales there this month.  Unfortunately almost all subs but a few credit sales.  The weird thing is that I have had runs of sales of the same topic, presumably from single buyers - 10 or more at once, different aspects of the same subject.  Sometimes very similar images - shows that their previous similars policy was not what buyers wanted.  I assume it is because their search shows other images from the same artist.  Hopefully the new SS option will do the same there.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on August 02, 2017, 01:09
I note there's a contributor on DT with 0 sales who wants to buy his/her own photos. Not sure if that's a desperate attempt to generate some sales or what.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on August 02, 2017, 02:00
Got four subs yesterday  ;D. All refunded in an hour  :'(
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: HughStoneIan on August 02, 2017, 02:12
No sale since 20 July. Used to get several daily, even if sometimes only subs. No like.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pixart on August 02, 2017, 11:35
I often find that when you reach that point of complete frustration with DT you will get a flurry of credit sales.  Just enough to keep them interesting.

Funny how a dozen credit sales at DT trump 100 sub sales here and most of the other sites. 
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: rinderart on August 04, 2017, 10:09
+1 agree. strange. as some know , I've been around a Very Long time. im getting a strange gut feeling that something Big is gonna happen as far as commissions. were not Making them or any of them rich anymore and a change is in the wind.what that is???. my tinfoil hat doesn't fit anymore.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: stockmarketer on August 08, 2017, 02:20
Just did my July analysis, comparing monthly totals vs prior months and last year. 

Holy cow.  In July, DT is off 50% for me vs July 2016.  Most other agencies are down around 10% for me vs year ago.  Up until July, DT was following the industry trend of being off around 10% vs year ago, then July hits and BAM, down 50%.  Very odd.

So why is DT collapsing while all the others are simply lagging?  This is really concerning to me as they've been my solid #3 for quite some time.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on August 08, 2017, 03:46
Agree!  before it was terrible but now its just completely dead full stop!. Probably the next agency to bite the dust!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: angelawaye on August 08, 2017, 13:34
I hope not. They are chirping at their normal tune for me. Nothing like it was years ago but definitely better than CanStock.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: JimP on August 09, 2017, 10:07
Agree!  before it was terrible but now its just completely dead full stop!. Probably the next agency to bite the dust!

+1
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: gerg on August 10, 2017, 03:08
I am not sure if it is lack of customers or over supply of contributors, or both.

is photography in general still a niche?  :-X
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on August 10, 2017, 03:46
I moved into CGI two years back!  sold like crazy but now thats gone dead as well and thats just too much work for little in return and NO^^ photography today is not a niche anymore but rather a punishment!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: southpict on August 12, 2017, 11:10
I often find that when you reach that point of complete frustration with DT you will get a flurry of credit sales.  Just enough to keep them interesting.

Funny how a dozen credit sales at DT trump 100 sub sales here and most of the other sites.

+1. DT is not so bad, you just have random sales . In July, I got more $ with DT than with all my "major" stock. In august it seems dead... but less then Fotolia/Adobe near to zero.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: PixelBytes on August 12, 2017, 16:06
Just did my July analysis, comparing monthly totals vs prior months and last year. 

Holy cow.  In July, DT is off 50% for me vs July 2016.  Most other agencies are down around 10% for me vs year ago.  Up until July, DT was following the industry trend of being off around 10% vs year ago, then July hits and BAM, down 50%.  Very odd.

So why is DT collapsing while all the others are simply lagging?  This is really concerning to me as they've been my solid #3 for quite some time.

Agree.  Something is definitely up at DT.  Been reading complaints about them for a couple of years, but my sales stayed strong there.  All of a sudden the past couple months - POOF!  Sales are gone.  I don't know if I had been getting a good search placement and now it changed, or if the whole site is down the tubes...?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on August 12, 2017, 17:11
the all micro stock industry is puff..dreasmtime sìthe worst...ss is falling down, ok is summer but anything sells...i hope they eliminate popular search cause it makes those who sold in 2006 still earning a lot compared to new files uploaded....i hope is summer but i doubt. there is a flow of images not only in micro but even from a lot of free sites who give full size great images free to anybody for any use. luckily micro account for 30 % of my business...and i can wait till all those agency bust and a new format appear.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Dumc on August 12, 2017, 19:58
the all micro stock industry is puff..dreasmtime sìthe worst...ss is falling down, ok is summer but anything sells...i hope they eliminate popular search cause it makes those who sold in 2006 still earning a lot compared to new files uploaded....i hope is summer but i doubt. there is a flow of images not only in micro but even from a lot of free sites who give full size great images free to anybody for any use. luckily micro account for 30 % of my business...and i can wait till all those agency bust and a new format appear.

You also forgot to mention that models in Ukraine are almost for free.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sarah2 on August 17, 2017, 02:45
DT down 85% on the same period last year.
 :o
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on August 23, 2017, 05:24
7 sale in one month, 2,2 dollar 10 days without sales. another agency i stop uploading. luckily ss fotolia are growing strongly so actually don't care. hope most of this agency close the door soon so less competition for agency with growing sales.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: H2O on August 23, 2017, 05:54
The sales on DD used to be good, every month I used to get a payout then they slowly declined, even though I continued to upload the decline continues.

I believe they really have this problem of not excepting similar photo’s from multiple angles, etc.

Buyers often want a run of the same model of style for there publications, this certainly was the beginning of the decline.

They also protect there exclusives, even if the quality is not up to the mark, they rotate sales round so that everyone gets a chance, this is why you will suddenly get a few sales then nothing.

Essentially the rotating has got wider gaps in it, as there sales have declined.

They need to do something, the site needs a redesign as it is very old fashioned in its look and feel and perhaps improve the customer offer as well as the experience

Its like they have lost all interest in moving forward, shame really as I quit like them
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on September 07, 2017, 15:16
I stopped uploading after their Royalty Free goes Limit Free

Two months without an upload and sales are just as rubbish
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on October 04, 2017, 04:03
Just now, I sold three photos of the same subject at the same time on DT. Must have been bought by the same person. Thankyou buyer.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on December 18, 2017, 06:22
Appallingly bad. I absolutely have no idea why they rank third here. Totally inaccurate.

Sales every blue moon but everyday those annoying "images with no downloads" emails keep coming.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on December 18, 2017, 07:37
Appallingly bad. I absolutely have no idea why they rank third here. Totally inaccurate.

Sales every blue moon but everyday those annoying "images with no downloads" emails keep coming.
Third? seventh clusters of sales but 7th about right....
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: JimP on December 20, 2017, 04:08
Appallingly bad. I absolutely have no idea why they rank third here. Totally inaccurate.

Sales every blue moon but everyday those annoying "images with no downloads" emails keep coming.
Third? seventh clusters of sales but 7th about right....

I was going to ask the same. DT used to be one of the top 4 didn't they? Now #7 and 8 more that don't have enough votes are also ahead of them. Barely ahead of Mostphotos which shows how far DT has actually sank.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: lostintimeline on December 20, 2017, 20:17
i cant even sell a christmas photo there  ;D
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Oligo on December 22, 2017, 12:51
Maybe There are better photos that sell... competition is hard
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: lostintimeline on December 22, 2017, 19:49
i never said there arent better photos specially about the  christmas theme or ev else.i was just joking couse unfo many people left exclusivity as a result of bad sales and they ve been doin that since 2006?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sarah2 on December 31, 2017, 03:55
Wow! DT been on a downward slide for ages - but December is just off a cliff! :(
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Asthebelltolls on December 31, 2017, 11:08
And isn't there always someone that's the exception in these topics? ;D
Unusually strong December for DT and I have next to nothing with a
Christmas theme in my portfolio. I even had a few days this month when
DT was beating out SS. The big holiday stinker for me was 123RF. Off the
cliff and into the deep, black hole. 7 sales with a portfolio in the +2500
category.  ???
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Liorpt on December 31, 2017, 11:52
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Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on January 01, 2018, 03:38
And isn't there always someone that's the exception in these topics? ;D
Unusually strong December for DT and I have next to nothing with a
Christmas theme in my portfolio. I even had a few days this month when
DT was beating out SS. The big holiday stinker for me was 123RF. Off the
cliff and into the deep, black hole. 7 sales with a portfolio in the +2500
category.  ???
Oddly I had some sales between xmas/newyear and not in the least seasonal....I find DT has the habit of selling just when you think it is finally dead and some very unexpected images too.......
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Hildegarde on January 01, 2018, 18:28
I have had some nice sales there.  My sales are increasing.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 01, 2018, 21:18
Appallingly bad. I absolutely have no idea why they rank third here. Totally inaccurate.

Sales every blue moon but everyday those annoying "images with no downloads" emails keep coming.
Third? seventh clusters of sales but 7th about right....

No answer from Herg. DT holds 7th if you ignore Clipartof, canva, self, Getty, eye, dissolve, story, and mostphoto. In which case DT would be 16 on the list. I'm not impressed with that 7.2 at all.

If I did all that much with music sales like he says, I would leave micro photo and concentrate where I make the best money.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on January 15, 2018, 03:09
Dead and buried.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: qwerty on January 15, 2018, 04:02
2017 was about 35% of the earnings as in 2016.

I had falls with all agencies, but DT was the worst decrease by far.

It's a pity because they use to be my third highest earner now they're only about 15% of what I earn on shutterstock.




Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on January 15, 2018, 04:25
2017 was about 35% of the earnings as in 2016.

I had falls with all agencies, but DT was the worst decrease by far.

It's a pity because they use to be my third highest earner now they're only about 15% of what I earn on shutterstock.
bout 12% for me never that good for me though
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: qwerty on January 15, 2018, 04:44
might be time to buy a van and a surfboard, and get some Instagram followers.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on January 15, 2018, 07:44
All my money is going on Kodakcoins....I heard they are designed to be just the right size to fit film canisters
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on January 15, 2018, 07:48
te industry is moving on a 3 maximum 4 agency. shutter stock fotoia stock and pond
the rest will close soon.
dreamstime is completely finished despite the message on their boards that is our portfolio other instead are selling very good.
apart some big company, even a lot of good seller have stopped to upload there, if you compare their portfolio in folia and shutterstoc.,

i will not upload anymore. just collect some random 100 dollar every 2 3 months.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on January 15, 2018, 07:54
I'm not so sure agencies seem to hang around for years selling almost nothing...but i'm certainly seeing sharp declines in sales of the "lesser" agencies
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: rinderart on March 16, 2018, 23:57
very sad. a Good site at One time. why and how Is beyond me.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 17, 2018, 05:27
I'm lucky if I get payout once per year DT are largely irrelevant just like all the others
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on March 17, 2018, 05:32
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Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Brasilnut on March 17, 2018, 07:07
It's a nice site but it seems to be going down ImageBrief's direction unless management there can do something extraordinary
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 17, 2018, 09:56
I'm not sure that management has done anything there the past several years - they seem to be just coasting along.  They used to be a strong number three for me, but now falling back with the low-earner pack.  Too bad.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Brasilnut on March 21, 2018, 15:37
Wow 3 sales for me on DT today with 2,044 images (new record  ;D) one of them $2!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on March 23, 2018, 09:36
Can someone move Dreamstime down in the ranking on this site as it's misleading. They are abysmal. My balance looks the same from week to week.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 24, 2018, 10:24
Can someone move Dreamstime down in the ranking on this site as it's misleading. They are abysmal. My balance looks the same from week to week.

They aren't doing a good job of that on their own?  :) DT is double BS both are just dead, but look at the count how many keep selling on those. When DP and 123 are ahead that's a sure sign that the end is near.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on March 24, 2018, 12:22
Can someone move Dreamstime down in the ranking on this site as it's misleading. They are abysmal. My balance looks the same from week to week.

They aren't doing a good job of that on their own?  :) DT is double BS both are just dead, but look at the count how many keep selling on those. When DP and 123 are ahead that's a sure sign that the end is near.

Its " the end is nigh". Just saying mate!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: angelawaye on March 24, 2018, 13:26
BS is awful - way dead. I'm actually going to email them about closing my account.

DT still has some life for me ... They did take a bad turn this year though. Not sure what happened.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: alexandersr on March 25, 2018, 16:19
Over 6000 images Q1 2017: 12 $    :o

2017 its totally a very bad year for me ? for DR ? i don't know !

FT on the other hand looks better and better for me at least

Could you show us your portafolio? thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on March 26, 2018, 06:10
It amazes me as soon as the going gets tough and takings are down they start pushing sub-packages pissing off all serious suppliers capable of uploading quality and commercially viable images. Sure sign of just a downhill struggle. Should be the opposite! but no not DT!  they have been doing this ever since new year and they wonder why people quit?? haha!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: christiano on March 26, 2018, 08:55
My best month with 11 sales RDP 0.94.
Started from scratch in july 2017.
port around 500
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Asthebelltolls on March 26, 2018, 13:38
My only issue with DT was, and always has been, their "$100" requirement for payout. A low middle tier agency....it takes too long to cash out for most suppliers.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Dodie on March 26, 2018, 14:27
My only issue with DT was, and always has been, their "$100" requirement for payout. A low middle tier agency....it takes too long to cash out for most suppliers.
Not just the $100 limit, what I noticed that things (dls) are acceptable until I reach ~$70 and than sales stop. From there on it takes me double the time (or more) to reach payout. I dare say, they intentionally delay reaching payout.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: rinderart on March 31, 2018, 10:16
+1
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pixart on March 31, 2018, 11:41
Could this be the reason for their spectacular crash?
https://www.law360.com/articles/1027583/stock-photo-co-says-google-search-shuts-out-non-partners (https://www.law360.com/articles/1027583/stock-photo-co-says-google-search-shuts-out-non-partners)

"Dreamstime said its troubles started in the second half of 2015, when Google allegedly used its monopoly power in online search advertising to boost up Shutterfly while bumping down other stock photo sellers. In February 2018, Google struck a similar deal with Getty Images, and Dreamstime said it’s expecting more of the alleged algorithm changes to occur, pushing it further into search result oblivion, according to the suit."

(Question - I wonder when the article refers to Shutterstock if they mean Shutterfly?)

Their dates kinda jive with my own decline.  And SS did have a bump for me starting in about May 2015.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Zero Talent on March 31, 2018, 13:50
My only issue with DT was, and always has been, their "$100" requirement for payout. A low middle tier agency....it takes too long to cash out for most suppliers.
Not just the $100 limit, what I noticed that things (dls) are acceptable until I reach ~$70 and than sales stop. From there on it takes me double the time (or more) to reach payout. I dare say, they intentionally delay reaching payout.

BS.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: mino21 on April 10, 2018, 06:31
For me, DT was dead for a long time. This month is surprisingly good so far.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: YadaYadaYada on April 10, 2018, 08:54
Could this be the reason for their spectacular crash?
https://www.law360.com/articles/1027583/stock-photo-co-says-google-search-shuts-out-non-partners (https://www.law360.com/articles/1027583/stock-photo-co-says-google-search-shuts-out-non-partners)

"Dreamstime said its troubles started in the second half of 2015, when Google allegedly used its monopoly power in online search advertising to boost up Shutterfly while bumping down other stock photo sellers. In February 2018, Google struck a similar deal with Getty Images, and Dreamstime said it’s expecting more of the alleged algorithm changes to occur, pushing it further into search result oblivion, according to the suit."

(Question - I wonder when the article refers to Shutterstock if they mean Shutterfly?)

Their dates kinda jive with my own decline.  And SS did have a bump for me starting in about May 2015.

Except if you read the SS here, sales are bad for the last two years there too. Shutterfly is a POD site.

Dreamstime is taking it's last breath and wants to sue in case they can get a last payout before closing. Maybe Google will just buy them and have that Microstock site that people keep saying Google wants to build. That's also the claimed reason why others are falling, because Google wants that business. But Google has no stock site that I know?

If they are pushed into oblivion why are the numbers still up here? Something wrong with that. Is somebody lying on the poll to make DT look better? I don't know anyone doing good sales on DT.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on June 11, 2018, 10:33
Absolutely dead.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Microstock Posts on June 11, 2018, 11:18
Absolutely dead.

Why do you periodically bring this thread up just saying DT is dead. Can't you add something to the discussion by saying how much your earnings were in May 2018 in comparison to 2017, to back up your usual 2 words.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on June 11, 2018, 12:27
As always when I finally think DT is dead I just got a few sales....the intervals though are getting longer...though this time a couple of $2 sales giving relative hope.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Artist on June 11, 2018, 20:17
slow downloads here but not dead entirely.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: noodle on June 11, 2018, 20:58
I think some while back they were a buyout target for someone, but it didn’t materialize.
The owner(s) probably should have taken that deal and ran with the money
Now the site is just on autopilot and as a result everything is stagnant
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on June 12, 2018, 13:59
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALES dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALES Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Zero Talent on June 12, 2018, 14:33
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALES dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALES Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

Despite the decline, I'm still getting monthly payments. Not so dead after all!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Hildegarde on June 12, 2018, 18:18
My sales on DT on increase and keep getting better. 
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on June 13, 2018, 04:08
No, its Absolutley dead. No increase. Just manipulated sales on some kind of wheel of miss fortune but the stops are getting less and less.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on June 13, 2018, 04:20
No, its Absolutley dead. No increase. Just manipulated sales on some kind of wheel of miss fortune but the stops are getting less and less.
Only your experience counts? Some people often go against the trend on some sites good luck to them.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sebastian Radu on June 13, 2018, 05:52
Dead also for me. Even after I uploaded continuously my sales have gone down so I decided that as of July 1 I will not upload any files there!
They don't deserve it!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Stonefirewon on June 13, 2018, 22:34
My sales there have dropped drastically the past couple months. Low earner for me now.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BalkanskiMacak on June 14, 2018, 09:26
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on June 14, 2018, 11:35
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BalkanskiMacak on June 14, 2018, 17:47
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Zero Talent on June 14, 2018, 18:11
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform

A better metric is RPI/year.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on June 15, 2018, 02:29
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform
Only if you stop uploading. It takes exactly the same time to upload a rejected image as an accepted one. So if you have 10,000 images on one site that accepted everything and made £1,000 and 500 images on another that rejected 9,500 images and you made £500 which is better? Income vs time spent working on that site is a better measure...I guess you could include images worked on but not accepted at each site...that would improve it as a measure.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 15, 2018, 09:56
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

Because people like looking at statistics that are, in the end, mostly meaningless.

Yes it's nice to know that agency A makes a RPD of .## and agency B makes .## maybe annual RPD, but knowing has no effect on future performance it's just history. The data could spot a trend, if done by subject or styles or video vs photo Etc.

RPI, even less relevant or useful. Like people have pointed out for time after time, if one agency takes anything and I have 10,000 images and another is selective and I have 4,000 and another doesn't take Editorial so I have even less, how do I compare apples and oranges to the bananas? They aren't the same photos. Plus the one that's got only the best, should make more money because the useless filler has been removed.

The only number that matters to me is money in the bank. How much do I make from an agency per month and more valuable the long term, per year. There are daily ups and downs, months that are better or worse, but a year is a year, and that's the number that goes on the tax forms, which is nice to monitor.

Maybe some people think that watching months and days or making charts and graphs does something to help sales. Only if the data is used to predict what subjects, concepts, and styles sell better. For just numbers, that's a waste of time. You can look at your best seller lists on any agency and see what sells without making pie charts. RPI and RPD are virtually useless for building sales, they only reflect what's already happened.

Yes DT is dead for me, not a shock or unexpected. Keep in mind that DT knows they are dead and suing Google, claiming that the sales have fallen off terribly because of the search. DT knows that they are in trouble. Too bad, nice people, but business is more often just about business, not nice people we'd like to see making a good run at Microstock.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on June 16, 2018, 09:22
Comparing RPI across agencies is actually useful because it tells you where to focus energy.  If I have fewer images on an agency with a high RPI then I will definitely want to increase my portfolio size on that one.  I try to make images that will have the greatest appeal to the agencies with the highest RPI as those are likely to get the most bang for the effort.  Of course those are also almost always the agencies that make the most money, but RPI is very useful for helping to decide whether to continue with a new agency - they are only worth bothering with if they have a high RPI.

DT has been hanging in there for me.  For the past year or so I have been getting runs of multiple downloads of similar images from the same topics - often almost everything I have submitted on them.  No idea for what purpose, unless somebody is just making databases for future use.  I have a lot more on most them that I could submit so had better get to it while the going is good.  So far this month DT is at number three, ahead of FT, although I expect that will change by the end of the month.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: YadaYadaYada on June 16, 2018, 12:48
RPI would only be a valuable tool if all the pictures on all your agencies were identical, same type, or same subjects. SS takes subjects and editorial that Adobe doesn't. Adobe takes drawings and some subjects that SS won't. Alamy takes everything is the quality is right. DT might accept or refuse for subjects and styles. DP seems to have stopped reviewing or they do bulk rejections. IS has different rules and standards than the rest including what editorial they will and won't take. How can you get any sense out of that, when the pictures, videoor subjects that are accepted are not the same?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dirkr on June 16, 2018, 16:00
RPI would only be a valuable tool if all the pictures on all your agencies were identical, same type, or same subjects. SS takes subjects and editorial that Adobe doesn't. Adobe takes drawings and some subjects that SS won't. Alamy takes everything is the quality is right. DT might accept or refuse for subjects and styles. DP seems to have stopped reviewing or they do bulk rejections. IS has different rules and standards than the rest including what editorial they will and won't take. How can you get any sense out of that, when the pictures, videoor subjects that are accepted are not the same?

Calculating RPI on accepted pictures doesn't make sense.
If you use the number of images submitted (or produced) it does make sense.
It tells you how much revenue to expect per image of your style / subject on average.
So you have a rough idea how many images you need to have to achieve a given monthly income.
Of course it's not exact, and of course it changes over time.
But it gives you a rough idea what to expect.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on June 16, 2018, 16:55
  Of course those are also almost always the agencies that make the most money, but RPI is very useful for helping to decide whether to continue with a new agency - they are only worth bothering with if they have a high RPI.

Do you really need to calculate RPI to know this instead of how many $$$s you have made? It goes back to the point those that use RPI don't seem to address...what if the agency only accepts 1 in a thousand images but sells it for $5 is that good? I just go by gut instinct but if you wanted to do it "properly" the measure should be how much of your time was spent uploading. If I can just ftp a thousand images I need less return that a site where I have to categorise and prioritise key words.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: ravens on June 19, 2018, 05:08
What do you think of the FREE DOWNLOAD button under every image? You see it only when you are logged off. When you are logged on it reads DOWNLOAD. I would not have noticed it, but a customer emailed me and asked,  is this image no. Xxxxxx really free?
Maybe I missed something but did not see this free download issue mentioned here.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Arpad Kis on June 19, 2018, 07:47
Unfortunately for me also. Sebalos I want to contact you do you have FB ?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sebastian Radu on June 19, 2018, 08:07
Unfortunately for me also. Sebalos I want to contact you do you have FB ?

I sent you a privet message ;)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: trek on June 19, 2018, 08:13
What do you think of the FREE DOWNLOAD button under every image? You see it only when you are logged off. When you are logged on it reads DOWNLOAD. I would not have noticed it, but a customer emailed me and asked,  is this image no. Xxxxxx really free?
Maybe I missed something but did not see this free download issue mentioned here.

Humm... that's interesting.  I wonder what were getting paid for those "free downloads"?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sebastian Radu on June 19, 2018, 08:24
They offer 5 images for FREE if you register with a card an activate a monthly subscription.
Anyway, form now I will stop uploading to them. The effort and the associated risks are no longer justified !!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Newsfocus1 on June 19, 2018, 08:50
Asked and answered on their own forum -you get paid for the free downloads as normal. It is their promotion at their expense.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: photosis on June 20, 2018, 08:54
This year no downloads at dt, very disappointing
Last year i had 1 or 2 sales every month
Not much, i have little port of 229 images
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 20, 2018, 09:18
RPI would only be a valuable tool if all the pictures on all your agencies were identical, same type, or same subjects. SS takes subjects and editorial that Adobe doesn't. Adobe takes drawings and some subjects that SS won't. Alamy takes everything is the quality is right. DT might accept or refuse for subjects and styles. DP seems to have stopped reviewing or they do bulk rejections. IS has different rules and standards than the rest including what editorial they will and won't take. How can you get any sense out of that, when the pictures, videoor subjects that are accepted are not the same?

Calculating RPI on accepted pictures doesn't make sense.
If you use the number of images submitted (or produced) it does make sense.
It tells you how much revenue to expect per image of your style / subject on average.
So you have a rough idea how many images you need to have to achieve a given monthly income.
Of course it's not exact, and of course it changes over time.
But it gives you a rough idea what to expect.

That part about only uploaded images and RPI does make sense. Especially for the reason you pointed out "how much revenue to expect per image of your style / subject on average."

But the way most people use RPI is, how much for agency by agency and as someone else has pointed out, if you have different images on all the agencies, the number has no statistical basis. Roughly 4,000 of my images on SS are not anywhere else. Most of my illustrations on Adobe are not on SS. IS cleared out my Editorial because it was competing with Getty paid photographers. Alamy I hardly upload new and have thousands of old images, many are not anywhere else!

DT for me is dead because I don't care anymore, so I really can't blame them for that. No new upload, no old files sell, apathy is it's own reward?  ;D

But RPI for me, is impossible and means nothing, because of the above. If someone was to model something like you suggest, upload the same everywhere, and count produced images that where worked and uploaded, that would be a really useful number.

There are too many variables in RPD or RPI to make the numbers accurate or important across agencies. Yes it can be interesting and general but statistically both are full of flaws and susceptible to high probability of error when using to compare agency to agency. With that, knowing my RPI at SS with twice as many images, that are almost 90% different from Adobe? Meaningless.

I'll admit if someone has 90% the same images at all their agencies, RPD and RPI would be very interesting, that and what sells best at each individual agency. Why upload flowers to one place if they don't sell, but then on another flowers make good downloads. Use time for making what sells... not wasting time on irrelevant statistics, charts and graphs.  ;)

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on June 20, 2018, 17:05
"that and what sells best at each individual agency. Why upload flowers to one place if they don't sell, but then on another flowers make good downloads" true up to a point but generally once the work is done then the time to upload to a site is normally negligible. Unless you subscribe to the theory that your view rate affects your search position then you might want to focus.....too many variables and complications for me so any site I subscribe to gets everything. Also what sold in the past not may not sell in the future as many "old hands" have found.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Olga Altunina on June 21, 2018, 15:08
Guys, we're leaving. I've been in this business since 2007, and now I understand that no matter what I do and how much, they will not share profits with me. I now work only as a private independent graphic designer, and I advise everyone to do the same.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: ruramos on June 28, 2018, 18:36
Hello everybody,

I just want to share my experience about DT

I am an enthusiastic photographer who started stock photography in January 2017, with Alamy as my first site.

Also in January 2017, I signed up in ShutterS, and Dreamstime.

On April 2017, I signed up in Istock and late in Adobe Stock. (about December 2017)

It took me around 18 months to build a portfolio of around 2000 images in total.

I have commercial and editorial, mostly editorial.

My balance till now from Jan 2017 to June 2018 it is:

SS-      Images online: 1700          Downloads: 1300 - earnings around 700 USD

Adobe- Images online: 600            Downloads: 120 - earnings around 95 USD

Istock: Images Online: 1650          Downloads: 600 - earnings around 300 USD

Alamy: Images Online: 2000: 20 sales, around 340 USD net profit ( it took me 9 months for my first sale but now I have two or three by month but good money for each sale. My 20 sales are from October 2017 to now Jun 18)

Dreamstime: 1810 images online and just 107 sales and 66 USD earnings and I have even more photos online than in Shutterstock (1700)


Even Adobe it is a lot better for me, just 600 images and 120 downloads and 95 dollars...even I used to have only 200 images in Adobe and In Feb 2017 I started to upload again till completed 600 files in Jun 2018.

I really was thinking to close my account in Dreamstime...even I think they give preference to the exclusive photographers in the search results on the DT site.

I don't expect a lot but at least to be better than Adobe and closer to Istock where I have now around 90 downloads by month.

Have excellent day ladies and gentlemen!!

PD: I have the same photos on all the sites, excepts adobe which does not accept editorial.




Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on July 03, 2018, 02:53
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: lostintimeline on July 03, 2018, 17:54
you mean DT is dead? ;D
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 03:53
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro :D

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: qwerty on July 04, 2018, 04:06
I wish this thread was dead dead dead
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: namussi on July 04, 2018, 05:44
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro :D

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 07:37
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro :D

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Really ?

Low sales out of 2200 images and repetitive quanties (17's 11's )

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 07:38
I wish this thread was dead dead dead

"https://youtu.be/xos2MnVxe-c"

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on July 04, 2018, 07:52
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro :D

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Really ?

Low sales out of 2200 images and repetitive quanties (17's 11's )

A sample size of 12. 11 occurs 2 times.

You should really take a course in statistics.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 07:55
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro :D

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Really ?

Low sales out of 2200 images and repetitive quanties (17's 11's )

A sample size of 12. 11 occurs 2 times.

You should really take a course in statistics.

17 occurs? how many times? (25%)
11 ~ 16%



Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on July 04, 2018, 07:58
Again, you should really take a statistics course, or at least use common sense. This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on July 04, 2018, 08:03
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro :D

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

Nope.

Really ?

Low sales out of 2200 images and repetitive quanties (17's 11's )

A sample size of 12. 11 occurs 2 times.

You should really take a course in statistics.

17 occurs? how many times? (25%)
11 ~ 16%
Clearly the algorithm writers at DT are very superstitious as they don't allow anyone to have 13 sales in a month.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on July 04, 2018, 08:11
Clearly the algorithm writers at DT are very superstitious as they don't allow anyone to have 13 sales in a month.

Absolutely. At 0%, 13 is without question not possible to get.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: DallasP on July 04, 2018, 13:24
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform
Only if you stop uploading. It takes exactly the same time to upload a rejected image as an accepted one. So if you have 10,000 images on one site that accepted everything and made £1,000 and 500 images on another that rejected 9,500 images and you made £500 which is better? Income vs time spent working on that site is a better measure...I guess you could include images worked on but not accepted at each site...that would improve it as a measure.

Images online is a much easier measure. Plus, a decent measure of time invested. In your example, the 9,500 rejected images would be indication of loss of investment, or expense ...

I suppose ... as far as KPIs and rejections are concerned, you could measure images submitted as the leading measure, and images rejected as the outcome measure. Images submitted and earnings would make a decent amount of sense I suppose.

To be honest though, I doubt it matters for Dreamstime now, it is dead. Just figured I'd chime in because I like KPIs n maths n stuff.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 04, 2018, 13:44
Again, you should really take a statistics course, or at least use common sense. This is ridiculous.

I agree ~ feel happy now?  ;D

Sorry for troubling you. There was me think a low level of sales and a 25% and 16 % occurence on repeat quantities would have been would have been of interest.

And the post was for Herg not you so I've no idea why you want to keep diving in there  ::)

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: namussi on July 04, 2018, 18:48
Again, you should really take a statistics course, or at least use common sense. This is ridiculous.

I agree ~ feel happy now?  ;D

Sorry for troubling you. There was me think a low level of sales and a 25% and 16 % occurence on repeat quantities would have been would have been of interest.

And the post was for Herg not you so I've no idea why you want to keep diving in there  ::)

Here's your statistics assignment for the weekend :-)

Poisson clumping

Poisson clumping, or Poisson bursts,[1] is the phenomenon wherein random events may appear to have a tendency to occur in clusters, clumps, or bursts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_clumping

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Zero Talent on July 04, 2018, 22:43
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro :D

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

What about this pattern:

Pi = 3.
1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 0781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460 9550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954 9303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485 6692346034861045432664821339360726024914127372458700660631558817 4881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384 1469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185 4807446237996274956735188575272489122793818301194912983367336244 0656643086021394946395224737190702179860943702770539217176293176 7523846748184676694051320005681271452635608277857713427577896091 7363717872146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892354201 995611212902196086403441815981362977477130996051870721134
 :) 999999  :)
83729780499510597317328160963185950244594553469083026425223082533 4468503526193118817101000313783875288658753320838142061717766914 7303598253490428755468731159562863882353787593751957781857780532 171226806613001927876611195909216420198....

There are so many consecutive 9s somewhere among those thousand decimals!

Wow! What about that?
Something is definitely fishy here!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: namussi on July 05, 2018, 00:40
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sports.png)

Sports commentary seems similar to microstock commentary.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: namussi on July 05, 2018, 00:42

What about this pattern:

Pi = 3.
1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 0781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384460 9550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954 9303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485 6692346034861045432664821339360726024914127372458700660631558817 4881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384 1469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185 4807446237996274956735188575272489122793818301194912983367336244 0656643086021394946395224737190702179860943702770539217176293176 7523846748184676694051320005681271452635608277857713427577896091 7363717872146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892354201 995611212902196086403441815981362977477130996051870721134
 :) 999999  :)
83729780499510597317328160963185950244594553469083026425223082533 4468503526193118817101000313783875288658753320838142061717766914 7303598253490428755468731159562863882353787593751957781857780532 171226806613001927876611195909216420198....

There are so many consecutive 9s somewhere among those thousand decimals!

Wow! What about that?
Something is definitely fishy here!

(https://www.random.org/analysis/dilbert.jpg)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on July 05, 2018, 01:47
Hahahaha

You boys should really get a room your so in love with you're selves ::)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: namussi on July 05, 2018, 04:10
Hahahaha

You boys should really get a room your so in love with you're selves ::)

Serious question: why do you still bother with microstock?

I read some of your early posts and in 2014 you were already saying things like "take my word for it the whole microstock loveboat is dead in the water."

You've been complaining about falling sales and worsening commissions for years.

How low do they have to go before you give up?

You don't seem very happy.








 
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on July 05, 2018, 07:39
Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?
I

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform
Only if you stop uploading. It takes exactly the same time to upload a rejected image as an accepted one. So if you have 10,000 images on one site that accepted everything and made £1,000 and 500 images on another that rejected 9,500 images and you made £500 which is better? Income vs time spent working on that site is a better measure...I guess you could include images worked on but not accepted at each site...that would improve it as a measure.

Images online is a much easier measure. Plus, a decent measure of time invested. In your example, the 9,500 rejected images would be indication of loss of investment, or expense ...

I suppose ... as far as KPIs and rejections are concerned, you could measure images submitted as the leading measure, and images rejected as the outcome measure. Images submitted and earnings would make a decent amount of sense I suppose.

To be honest though, I doubt it matters for Dreamstime now, it is dead. Just figured I'd chime in because I like KPIs n maths n stuff.
Images on line may be easier but it is not an accurate measure of time invested for the reasons rehearsed previously...if you submit 10,000 images and one is accepted that is the same time invested as if you had 10,000 accepted. I do agree is academic really unless you have tens of thousands of images I doub't the stats really tell you more than gut feel. I do find the stats discussions interesting but I think people tend to draw way more meaning into the numbers than they merit RPD in particular. If I was doing this as a full time business I would be keeping a timesheet as time is probably the biggest input though some do seem to spend an extraordinary amount on equipment for an industry with relatively low returns.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 05, 2018, 11:46
Images on line may be easier but it is not an accurate measure of time invested for the reasons rehearsed previously...if you submit 10,000 images and one is accepted that is the same time invested as if you had 10,000 accepted. I do agree is academic really unless you have tens of thousands of images I doub't the stats really tell you more than gut feel. I do find the stats discussions interesting but I think people tend to draw way more meaning into the numbers than they merit RPD in particular. If I was doing this as a full time business I would be keeping a timesheet as time is probably the biggest input though some do seem to spend an extraordinary amount on equipment for an industry with relatively low returns.

Wasting time on statistics, trends and observations, instead of what sells now and where to best market now? People can sit and count their pennies over and over, it doesn't change how many there are.  :) Living in the past, doesn't define what will happen in the future.

Low returns, well yes, except I'd have this equipment and be taking photos anyway. Microstock, in my case, is just an outlet for what I'm doing already and a way to recover some of the expenses that I'd already have. I'm not doing this for a living. I do get some travel and equipment depreciation as a tax deduction. I'm pretty happy for those reasons. I should admit, I'm not dependent on Microstock for my income, it's roughly 100% discretionary income.  8)

I admit, that fact might change my viewpoint of the system and agencies. I never saw how groveling for quarters and RF downloads was a potential way to make a stable living. Yes someone will now point out that some do. Hey, all you math wizards, most don't make a reasonable wage and many don't cover equipment costs. Some are a success. Expectations and rational business views are important. Don't expect to make a living or much money at Microstock. Now the market is saturated and incomes are dropping, don't expect things to ever be the way they were.

I said this when I started, partly because of the referral money and people recruiting new friends to the way to make money. It's more like a MLM where people in at the beginning and those who recruit new members will make the money. Sure we aren't selling soap or vitamins, but look at what happened? Many join, few profit, and the agencies take the cream off the top, before paying us a pittance. Oh Yeah Baby, make money from those old photos on your hard drive...

(https://s5.postimg.cc/r77tvh2lj/old-photo-on-hard-drives-on-computer.jpg)
(for those who don't get it = old photos on a hard drive...)

Some do well, some have done very well, most don't. Translation: don't quit your day job.  ;) We should warn all new people who come here and talk of future sales and income, that there are people on the forum, who have been doing this for over ten years, and they have seen the fall and the future from an experienced effort over a long time. Hope and optimism are wonderful, don't let me quash those dreams, but please read and see what you are getting into, before thinking there's any kind of future in Microstock.

DT is dead because their time has passed. That's what happens in business. Nice people, nice agency, the big competition and the market are going to bury DT. I don't know how the other small agencies are surviving. Eventually if it costs more to stay in business, with losses year after year, it's time to stop bailing and abandoned the ship. When DT closes, that's a huge sign of the status of the Microstock photo business market.

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: alexandersr on July 05, 2018, 13:13
I wish this thread was dead dead dead
Dead and dead!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: alexandersr on July 05, 2018, 13:16
Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead sales Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead SALE Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead Dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead

I hear you bro :D

Monthly sales at DT for the last year, see the pattern?
17   17   15   20   21   10   28   11   17   12   11   14

That's lot of money on Dreamstime for me.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: namussi on July 05, 2018, 20:08


Wasting time on statistics, trends and observations, instead of what sells now and where to best market now?



How do you know what sells now and where is best to market unless you look at statistics and trends?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on July 10, 2018, 05:04
D-E-A-D
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Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on July 10, 2018, 06:08
D-E-A-D
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I think you have made your point so they are dead....isn't time to come to terms with your grief and move on?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: lostintimeline on July 11, 2018, 17:59
well after a very long time, i had a sale today.so guess is not completely dead ::)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on July 12, 2018, 01:01
well after a very long time, i had a sale today.so guess is not completely dead ::)
Me too....the DT way seemingly dead for months then a brief flurry of sales.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on July 12, 2018, 20:47
"There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive."

    Miracle Max in the Princess Bride

Glad to know that DT is slightly alive after all!  (They are hanging in there for me, although all dead the past few days).
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: pkphotos on July 13, 2018, 23:37
All agencies are completely dead. There is 0% reason for anyone to continue to upload videos or photos. To do so is a complete waste of time and money
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on July 15, 2018, 01:28
After a long downward slither, my sales have suddenly slumped by about 80% over the last 6 weeks. I have no idea what's happening. Everywhere else is pretty grim too.
Which in cash terms translates into about a 99% fall compared with the peak, a decade ago.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on August 16, 2018, 04:55
Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead SALE Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead SALE Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on August 16, 2018, 10:17
All agencies are completely dead. There is 0% reason for anyone to continue to upload videos or photos. To do so is a complete waste of time and money

Lol!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: lostintimeline on August 16, 2018, 17:40
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you are now officialy the troll of this thread ::)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on August 18, 2018, 07:31
Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead SALE Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead SALE Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead
you are now officialy the troll of this thread ::)

I am reporting it as it is. What do you want me to do, lie and say sales are great and consistent ?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Mantis on August 18, 2018, 08:42
I just checked my DT numbers and I am at $12 for the month.  They are pacing right at Canstock levels and 123 is right there.  So the evolution is sort of interesting.

Monthly 123 3 years ago: $200
Monthly DT 3 years ago: $160
Monthly CanStockPhoto 3 years ago: $20

Monthly 123 today: $30
Monthly DT today: $25
Monthly CanStockPhoto today: $20

That's my evolution.  It's unfortunate but reality.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: rene on August 18, 2018, 13:29
Dead and buried.
Finally I deleted my portfolio.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Brasilnut on August 18, 2018, 13:57
Quote
Monthly 123 today: $30
Monthly DT today: $25
Monthly CanStockPhoto today: $20

3 years from now?...

Monthly 123 2021: $3
Monthly DT 2021: $2
Monthly CanStockPhoto 2021: $2
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Phadrea on August 20, 2018, 03:11
Can stock, can't sell I call them.

 8) Hooray, a couple of sales ar DT
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: H2O on August 20, 2018, 06:45
Used to be in the top 3, why cant they get their act together.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: obj owl on August 20, 2018, 12:05
Used to be in the top 3, why cant they get their act together.

because contributors sell the same images elsewhere cheaper?  because other agencies are heavy into discounting chasing market share?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Uncle Pete on November 10, 2018, 13:18
Used to be in the top 3, why cant they get their act together.

because contributors sell the same images elsewhere cheaper?  because other agencies are heavy into discounting chasing market share?

Right, and because the top agencies spend money on marketing and SEO.  :) DT just wants to sue Google for bad placement in the search and if they cash in, they can check out.

Honestly I think as an agency they are doing much better than:

MotionElements
Dissolve
SignElements
PhotoCase
Zoonar
ColourBox
PhotoSpin
Indivstock
Pixta
PantherMedia
ScanStockPhoto
Stockfresh
Macrografiks
DrawShop
ClipDealer
Stocksy
YayMicro
ImageVortex
Clipcanvas
Crestock
SuperImageMarket
PressFoto
Cutcaster
ViscoImages
FeaturePics
PicFair
GLStock
Stockami

Not better than:

ClipartOf
GettyImages
Envato
Canva
EyeEm
Self-Hosted
500px
VectorStock
storyblocks
MostPhotos

But those don't get the 50 votes required.

So that makes DT about #16 or 17 on the earnings list.

Look at it this way, Mostphotos makes the same average return. How sad is that? Equal to Mostphotos is a tragic fall.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on November 10, 2018, 13:46
The old story!  the boss Achilles left or sold out and along comes the sheit trying to govern an agency!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on November 10, 2018, 14:32
For me they are about 8 but once you go away from the top three these days its marginal.