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Title: Dead dead and dead
Post by: photog-teo on April 10, 2017, 13:49
Over 6000 images Q1 2017: 12 $    :o

2017 its totally a very bad year for me ? for DR ? i don't know !

FT on the other hand looks better and better for me at least


Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: CJH Photography on April 10, 2017, 15:23
Over 6000 images Q1 2017: 12 $    :o

2017 its totally a very bad year for me ? for DR ? i don't know !

FT on the other hand looks better and better for me at least
I have 765 online with earnings of $27.12 fwiw.  Unfortunately, most of my sales are niche photos in an area that I can't readily scale up at this point.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on April 10, 2017, 17:19
well i managed to have a pout in january feb and march 65 dollar...not bad for the 2016i hade...first 10 days of april...1 dollar!! with 4000 images. nothing uploaded after 2016 selling. a company nisedoving to the ending i bet in less than a bunch of year.
i read they changed the search in april. hope other sell to keep alive this that was a very good platform once.
this month beaten even by feature pics. unbelievable. it was my strong second earner till 2014. then nosediving.
i have to say that every month i have 3 4 days i sell very good for more than 15 20 dollar. so hope they are to come soon:)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Mantis on April 10, 2017, 19:03
I am not sure if it is lack of customers or over supply of contributors, or both.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: mboy on April 11, 2017, 00:23
I had a huge 50 credits sale in Jan and after that it has been slow, slow, slow...
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: baz777 on April 11, 2017, 01:02
Q1 $81.27 with 2187 images online.  Looking at the stats it about average for the past year irrespective of uploading more images.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Lana on April 11, 2017, 01:05
it's about 1,5 month without a single sale for me there. I had about 5$ a month before that, not much but no sales for so long is still weird
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: skyfish on April 11, 2017, 01:28
There are problems. Not normal when you receive multiple e-mails about old files, i have 5 or 7 copies last days.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: photosis on April 11, 2017, 01:29
This year, not a single sale on a small port of 180 images (13 sales totally)
But i uploaded nothing this year
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on April 11, 2017, 01:47
Funnily enough I had a small "spike" last month but back to business as usual.....for me the site that has declined the most. One time top 4 noiw in danger of being caught by Bigstock etc
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 11, 2017, 01:55
Strange that people have such different experiences with sites. DT has always been a good earner for me, while I have never been able to get alamy to take off for example.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: mboy on April 11, 2017, 01:58
at least the review time is much shorter now 1-2 days
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 11, 2017, 02:06
There are problems. Not normal when you receive multiple e-mails about old files, i have 5 or 7 copies last days.
If you uploaded a bunch on a certain day and several of them haven't sold three (?) years later you will get an e-mail for each of the unsold files asking what you want to do with them.
It IS normal.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 11, 2017, 02:10
My earnings per upload seem to be about the same as BAZ and CHJ.  My portfolio is not "High Commercial Value", it's basically food and travel with hardly any people shots.
The return is currently about 1c per month per upload. As I've got thousands of files online it is still enough to pay the occasional bill, whether it is worth the effort to upload more is something people need to work out for themselves. I'll still send stuff sometimes if I have nothing else to do but I don't expect an exciting return from extra effort any longer.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 11, 2017, 02:13
Sales on Dreamstime were much better for me in 2016 compared to this year. DT in 2017 is just about dead. Though I still continue to upload to this site because I live in hope.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: skyfish on April 11, 2017, 02:14
There are problems. Not normal when you receive multiple e-mails about old files, i have 5 or 7 copies last days.
If you uploaded a bunch on a certain day and several of them haven't sold three (?) years later you will get an e-mail for each of the unsold files asking what you want to do with them.
It IS normal.
Thank you for explanation! I even don't remember when i stopped to upload there :-)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 11, 2017, 02:18
I am not sure if it is lack of customers or over supply of contributors, or both.
It's both. It has to be.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 11, 2017, 03:01
Over 2000 images online. I would classify them as HCV files having releases and in very commercial categories. DT is actually one of the very few agencies that some time back acknowledged the fact that they are letting everyone have a bite at the cherry. Fair play so to speak. I dont know what it entails but some months are Ok other months just terrible. This nonsense of fair is in my books completely crazy and derogatory in the long run since established members simply dont upload.

I personally think they have also lost tons of buyers and cant keep up with the main four.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 11, 2017, 03:58
Looking at the stats of random Dreamstime contributors on their forums, I note that some people have done exceptionally well there. Their number of sales far exceeds their number of uploads. And in some cases, it's over 20,000 sales. Though I'm guessing that a lot of these impressive figures occurred in the distant past when things were supposedly 'better' - the glory days so to speak?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 11, 2017, 04:13
Looking at the stats of random Dreamstime contributors on their forums, I note that some people have done exceptionally well there. Their number of sales far exceeds their number of uploads. And in some cases, it's over 20,000 sales. Though I'm guessing that a lot of these impressive figures occurred in the distant past when things were supposedly 'better' - the glory days so to speak?

Oh absolutely I have over 20K sales there but 90% of those before 2015 after that its just turned very sour.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 11, 2017, 04:46
Looking at the stats of random Dreamstime contributors on their forums, I note that some people have done exceptionally well there. Their number of sales far exceeds their number of uploads. And in some cases, it's over 20,000 sales. Though I'm guessing that a lot of these impressive figures occurred in the distant past when things were supposedly 'better' - the glory days so to speak?

Oh absolutely I have over 20K sales there but 90% of those before 2015 after that its just turned very sour.

2008/9 was my high point. I'm only selling a third now of what I did then and, of course, my portfolio is a lot bigger than it was in those days. Overall I've got close to 30,000 DT sales but that is over almost 13 years, so it's only a bit above 2,000 a year on average.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Stockmaan on April 11, 2017, 05:51
Funny emails about old files without sales ...  ;D

Byebye DT  8)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: CJH Photography on April 11, 2017, 08:52
My earnings per upload seem to be about the same as BAZ and CHJ.  My portfolio is not "High Commercial Value", it's basically food and travel with hardly any people shots.
The return is currently about 1c per month per upload. As I've got thousands of files online it is still enough to pay the occasional bill, whether it is worth the effort to upload more is something people need to work out for themselves. I'll still send stuff sometimes if I have nothing else to do but I don't expect an exciting return from extra effort any longer.
I keep experimenting with ways to increase revenue, but really with the investment I have in equipment now, I need to step out and do more direct marketing.  Just upgraded to some solid video heads and tripods, so I am looking around locally to see how to make them pay off.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: PixelBytes on April 11, 2017, 15:23
Weirdly, for me DT has held its value better than any site except FT/Adobe.  I'm happy with my sales at DT.  Better knock on wood tho.  Don't want to jinks it.    ;)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on April 11, 2017, 16:04
As with all sites it's more about YOUR individual search placement than anything else. A small site with fewer buyers can outsell the biggest site many times over if you are hidden at the big site, but very visible at the small site.

No site is the best for all.

I sell very well at some smaller sites where I know the search engine well and my stuff shows up on page 1-2 for common searches. At some big sites with 100 times more buyers I still don't sell much because it's simply impossible to find my stuff and there's nothing I can do about it except wait a few years for sales so I can rise higher in search.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: angelawaye on April 11, 2017, 21:51
I like DT. They never "surprise" you with crazy changes. I did very well in the glory days but they still do okay now BUT nothing new is ever downloaded so I don't upload new stuff...
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 12, 2017, 00:58
I have very small portfolios on the stock sites that I contribute to but in the beginning, things looked quite promising on Dreamstime (when the sales started.) At the time, I had a tiny, tiny port on Dreamstime and sales started tricking in. Meanwhile, iStockphoto was not doing well at all - I had just one sale there and it seemed pointless continuing to upload there. Then later things changed - iStock really took off - generating more and more sales. And Dreamstime's sales pretty much dried up. So now it's pretty much the opposite situation with both agencies.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 12, 2017, 08:42
Lack of buyers and very little trafic. Even their exclusives threaten to leave exclusivity. Something isnt right?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Deni Williams on April 12, 2017, 08:58
How much you earn for each sale in DT?
Just to know.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: CJH Photography on April 12, 2017, 10:23
How much you earn for each sale in DT?
Just to know.
It's going to vary. My average RPD for 2016 was $1.98.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: pancaketom on April 12, 2017, 10:37
My RPD so far this month is 0.45   I think the highest quarter it was 2.14 the last year avg is 1.06 and overall is 1.27


This site has become almost exclusively a subs site. The $2 subs make a difference when they happen and the increasingly rare credit sales are nice, especially when they aren't level 0 images.

They aren't totally dead for me, but they don't give me much hope for improvement, especially since new image sales are very rare although I suppose that helps keep my older images selling.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: photosis on April 12, 2017, 10:55
Today my first sale of the year :)
Maybe i gona upload some new photo's
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 12, 2017, 17:41
This site has become almost exclusively a subs site. The $2 subs make a difference when they happen and the increasingly rare credit sales are nice, especially when they aren't level 0 images.

Ive had one credit sale which happened to be one of my first sales on Dreamstime - in 2016. At that stage, I only had about 20 images uploaded. No credit sales since - just subs.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 13, 2017, 03:19
I still get surges of credit sales, without them things would be a bit dire.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on April 13, 2017, 06:17
first half of march 35 dollar
first half of april 2,35 dollar...

they change search engine algorithm according to their forum. i can see the benefit.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 13, 2017, 06:36
Yes they changed it from "most relevant" and it really shows. Disaster everywhere even all their exclusives are complaing bitterly.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 13, 2017, 06:40
I still get surges of credit sales, without them things would be a bit dire.

Paul!  how do you do it? haha!  you always seem to get sales and now credit sales when everyone else is starving alive. DT is right now pushing subs like nobody's business and a changed algorithm that seems to benefit nobody.
Good luck to you! you seam to score where everyone else fail.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on April 13, 2017, 09:30
I still get surges of credit sales, without them things would be a bit dire.

Paul!  how do you do it? haha!  you always seem to get sales and now credit sales when everyone else is starving alive. DT is right now pushing subs like nobody's business and a changed algorithm that seems to benefit nobody.
Good luck to you! you seam to score where everyone else fail.
How do I do it? By having a portfolio that spans 13 years so it doesn't matter much what age files are selling, by having 5,000 images on DT and a record of sales that may (possibly) give me a personal boost in the search, by having some niche stuff - Qatar - that isn't availalble to most people, and maybe by being easily kept happy since I won't starve even if I never sell another photo, and by trying to regard the glass as being half full rather than half empty.
I was surprised to see that nothing I've uploaded in the last two years has sold - I haven't uploaded much, only a couple of hundred pics in all,  but there are a couple of stunning Qatar cityscapes that are doing well over on SS and ought to be selling on DT too.
As I said earlier, my income on DT is down to a third of what it was ten years ago, so it's not all rosy. But this month I've had half-a-dozen so far that are either $2 subscription sales or credit sales for up to $10.

Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: WindyTai on April 13, 2017, 12:05
I got about 140$ until the end of March in 2017 from 2400 files
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 13, 2017, 12:42
I still get surges of credit sales, without them things would be a bit dire.

Paul!  how do you do it? haha!  you always seem to get sales and now credit sales when everyone else is starving alive. DT is right now pushing subs like nobody's business and a changed algorithm that seems to benefit nobody.
Good luck to you! you seam to score where everyone else fail.
How do I do it? By having a portfolio that spans 13 years so it doesn't matter much what age files are selling, by having 5,000 images on DT and a record of sales that may (possibly) give me a personal boost in the search, by having some niche stuff - Qatar - that isn't availalble to most people, and maybe by being easily kept happy since I won't starve even if I never sell another photo, and by trying to regard the glass as being half full rather than half empty.
I was surprised to see that nothing I've uploaded in the last two years has sold - I haven't uploaded much, only a couple of hundred pics in all,  but there are a couple of stunning Qatar cityscapes that are doing well over on SS and ought to be selling on DT too.
As I said earlier, my income on DT is down to a third of what it was ten years ago, so it's not all rosy. But this month I've had half-a-dozen so far that are either $2 subscription sales or credit sales for up to $10.

Good one! but Im not far behind you with some 10 years in micro and 19 years in the RM sector and thats where I score. Yore right though your pics never ages and thats possibly one of the reasons could also.
Before their searc change I had about the same many credit sales per day and some around the $9 mark but this time around the search slammed a door on that.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: LDV81 on April 13, 2017, 15:04
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Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on April 13, 2017, 21:32
I first heard about microstock (in particular iStockphoto) several years ago. I was considering joining up back then but didn't take the plunge. I just let things slide. And I really regret that now. I keep hearing how things were so much better back then from a selling point of view.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on April 14, 2017, 10:48
It was a good month with a bunch of 4k sales, but they all got refunded (fraud or something). What a joke...
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: pancaketom on April 14, 2017, 20:21
I should whine more often, Wed, Thurs, and Fri DT has outperformed SS for me.

I had one credit sale each day on DT, sadly SS has been like weekend days for the last 3 days, so it isn't so much that DT is doing well but that SS is really really underperforming. I think if they hadn't taken out the weekly stats it would be a new low, beating even Christmas to new years lows.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 15, 2017, 02:37
I first heard about microstock (in particular iStockphoto) several years ago. I was considering joining up back then but didn't take the plunge. I just let things slide. And I really regret that now. I keep hearing how things were so much better back then from a selling point of view.

Istock many years back was the Rolls Royce of microstock and there is little doubt had Bruce not sold it to Getty and still been in charge the micro-stock climate would be very different today. Oringer at SS would never have gotten the chance to his fame and fortune. Sure SS would have been big but basically it was the screw-up and mistreatment of IS done by Getty that paved the way for Shutterstock.

Its a shame really because the dominance of SS dont really benefit anybody but SS themselves in the long run that is.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on April 15, 2017, 02:56
Lack of competition is bad even for SS in the long run....they will get complacent and when a rival really  gets its act together they wont be able to react. There may be some evidence this is happening the next set of quarterly figures will be interesting.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Dumc on April 15, 2017, 10:49
My 2017 statistics with about 1200 files: Jan: 19 sales 44$ - Feb: 14 sales, 28$ - Mar: 11 sales, 5$.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Gigė on April 15, 2017, 17:53
Unfortunately I have to agree with you
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 16, 2017, 01:52
DT!  was once one of the premiere agencies with great credit sales good editing and so on. Sadly the competition is beginning to kill them off. I don't know whats happened there really they keep swapping search as often as SS nowadays and it dont seem to lead anywhere except annoying lots of their exclusives to the point where they quit exclusivity.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on April 16, 2017, 02:31
DT!  was once one of the premiere agencies with great credit sales good editing and so on. Sadly the competition is beginning to kill them off. I don't know whats happened there really they keep swapping search as often as SS nowadays and it dont seem to lead anywhere except annoying lots of their exclusives to the point where they quit exclusivity.
I thought DT were always the kings of image search switching certainly they were always the most inconsistent site for me. I always found their reviews pretty fair and liked the "style" sadly though the sales are not there which is what really matters.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 16, 2017, 03:07
DT!  was once one of the premiere agencies with great credit sales good editing and so on. Sadly the competition is beginning to kill them off. I don't know whats happened there really they keep swapping search as often as SS nowadays and it dont seem to lead anywhere except annoying lots of their exclusives to the point where they quit exclusivity.
I thought DT were always the kings of image search switching certainly they were always the most inconsistent site for me. I always found their reviews pretty fair and liked the "style" sadly though the sales are not there which is what really matters.

Well I am going back some years actually! but around 4/5 years back they were really good and always one of the main four.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: alex_n on April 17, 2017, 15:29
Dead? Wish they were.
September 2016 - March 2017: about $360 total, $120 from it was refunded lately, several clips. Right now I OWE 30 bucks to that lazy and incompetent bunch of amateurs.
Stay away from them.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: increasingdifficulty on April 17, 2017, 16:10
Dead? Wish they were.
September 2016 - March 2017: about $360 total, $120 from it was refunded lately, several clips. Right now I OWE 30 bucks to that lazy and incompetent bunch of amateurs.
Stay away from them.

Yup, had 5 4k refunds last week ($105)... Something's not right.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Herg on April 18, 2017, 01:03
Abysmal. Tragic. Dead. Poor. Waste of time.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on April 18, 2017, 01:39
Haha! youre right^^  not only Dt but almost all of them. I recon if we knew what these people in these agencies get up to in order to make quick profits we would probably not upload one single file. I also think there are big reasons why employees at these agencies are asked to sign a document of confidentiality so not to go waffling around to members. :D
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: alex_n on April 18, 2017, 02:46
Dead? Wish they were.
September 2016 - March 2017: about $360 total, $120 from it was refunded lately, several clips. Right now I OWE 30 bucks to that lazy and incompetent bunch of amateurs.
Stay away from them.

Yup, had 5 4k refunds last week ($105)... Something's not right.

After notification about my account termination I got 20 downloads of images and a clip in two days. The usual monthly number of downloads there is 20-30. The worst thing about multiple refunds is that those clips most likely will end up in some free clip torrent collection.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on April 29, 2017, 12:49
Yay! I made less than two dollars this month with 2000 images the worst performance in four years!

I added quite a large number of images in March and April and this is how they reward me

 >:(
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: LDV81 on April 29, 2017, 15:47
My RPI this month at DT is around $0.10. Nowadays, it is usually around $0.12 - 0.15.
In the good old days it was between $0.25 and $0.35, I think.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Asthebelltolls on April 29, 2017, 17:41
My RPI this month at DT is around $0.10. Nowadays, it is usually around $0.12 - 0.15.
In the good old days it was between $0.25 and $0.35, I think.

....and mine is $035. I can't understand how it is that everything and anything, from small to Tiff is going for the flat rate of $0.35.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Lana on April 30, 2017, 01:02
My 2017 statistics with about 1200 files: Jan: 19 sales 44$ - Feb: 14 sales, 28$ - Mar: 11 sales, 5$.

your RPD is good though from month to month
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: LDV81 on April 30, 2017, 05:18
My RPI this month at DT is around $0.10. Nowadays, it is usually around $0.12 - 0.15.
In the good old days it was between $0.25 and $0.35, I think.

....and mine is $035. I can't understand how it is that everything and anything, from small to Tiff is going for the flat rate of $0.35.

You're confusing RPI with RPD.
My RPD this month is $1.10.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on May 03, 2017, 11:51
People often complain about slow sales or lack of sales on DT these days. Though is anyone else finding this year particularly bad? I know Ive mentioned that I don't have all that many photos on DT but the interesting thing is the majority of my sales on there were from 2016. 2017 by contrast is just about dead. It's like someone pulled a switch or something. I also notice a number of newcomers to DT with ports of 323 photos, 348 photos, 93 photos etc with 0 sales. Must be so hard being a new contributor there in this current climate.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Mantis on May 03, 2017, 23:34
Dt blows
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Herg on May 10, 2017, 04:18
I stopped uploading to DT a while ago no point. Dead and the rest are dying. 2017 is a car crash year for my business income. I will have to look at part time work if it continues.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on May 10, 2017, 04:22
 "616,208 photos this week" Scary!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Chichikov on May 10, 2017, 04:31
Funny emails about old files without sales ...  ;D

Byebye DT  8)

Same here.
Some of them are my very best sellers on SS and FT…
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Herg on May 20, 2017, 06:39
I can go weeks and weeks and still see my earnings to be the same. I wish I could just remove everything.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Chichikov on May 20, 2017, 09:20
Dt blows

Dt deflates…
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Dodie on May 22, 2017, 09:54
I can go weeks and weeks and still see my earnings to be the same. I wish I could just remove everything.

Same thoughts here too.
I am stuck at $86.84 and nothing happens, $ 0.35 for May.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on May 25, 2017, 11:55
I actually made a sale a few days ago on DT. That's a pretty rare phenomenon these days.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on May 25, 2017, 12:11
I'm actually having a reasonable month by recent dismal standards...this sees  to happen every few months just to keep my flickering hopes alive. Hard to believe they were once top four.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Herg on June 20, 2017, 08:51
Getting fed up with their "Old Images With No Downloads" emails. Who cares, they  are absolutely useless.

Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead! :-\
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: stockastic on June 20, 2017, 09:53
A few months ago I sent them an "old agency with hardly any sales" email and closed my account.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Oligo on June 20, 2017, 10:59
DieT
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jav on June 20, 2017, 13:14
I stopped uploading content several years ago, the policy of deleting files seemed to me very bad. It is impossible to build a portfolio in that way. And I do not see big commercial opportunities in DT
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Brightontl on June 20, 2017, 17:47
I decided to give them a try a couple of months ago.
I had immediately a good bunch of sales (like 6 or 7, including also a video sale), the usual welcome aboard package.
The next month I only got a ridiculous photo sale.
It is still early time, I will give them another couple of months, but so far it doesn't bode well.

At the same time time I feel for the minnows and I don't want to say anything bad about them, they are just being eaten up by the big guys.
Consolidation is the name of the game
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: ShadySue on June 20, 2017, 19:59
At the same time time I feel for the minnows and I don't want to say anything bad about them, they are just being eaten up by the big guys.

But DT wasn't always a minnow, it used to be solidly in the Big Four.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sandatksf on June 20, 2017, 21:02
New things never sells at DT. This is my 10th year at DT. I don't know what is the reason behind this :(  but 2+ yrs old illustrations are still selling well. So DT is still my best earner with only 3000 illustrations. 
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Steveball on June 21, 2017, 03:37
1 sub in the last month so things are looking up! All other sites are dead including SS with only 1 OD and 5 zero days so far in June. Searching for a better outlet which is more sustainable.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on June 21, 2017, 07:22
DT has been a steady grower for me for years, making 1/4-1/3 of SS, until the last couple of months when I am doing worse than same months previous years. Not sure what happened, if it is me or a general loss of buyers on the site?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: josephjacobs on June 25, 2017, 08:16
DT has been dead for me for a while now...
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on June 25, 2017, 08:16
Surprisingly I'm having a fair number of sales there this month.  Unfortunately almost all subs but a few credit sales.  The weird thing is that I have had runs of sales of the same topic, presumably from single buyers - 10 or more at once, different aspects of the same subject.  Sometimes very similar images - shows that their previous similars policy was not what buyers wanted.  I assume it is because their search shows other images from the same artist.  Hopefully the new SS option will do the same there.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on August 02, 2017, 01:09
I note there's a contributor on DT with 0 sales who wants to buy his/her own photos. Not sure if that's a desperate attempt to generate some sales or what.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on August 02, 2017, 02:00
Got four subs yesterday  ;D. All refunded in an hour  :'(
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: HughStoneIan on August 02, 2017, 02:12
No sale since 20 July. Used to get several daily, even if sometimes only subs. No like.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pixart on August 02, 2017, 11:35
I often find that when you reach that point of complete frustration with DT you will get a flurry of credit sales.  Just enough to keep them interesting.

Funny how a dozen credit sales at DT trump 100 sub sales here and most of the other sites. 
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: rinderart on August 04, 2017, 10:09
+1 agree. strange. as some know , I've been around a Very Long time. im getting a strange gut feeling that something Big is gonna happen as far as commissions. were not Making them or any of them rich anymore and a change is in the wind.what that is???. my tinfoil hat doesn't fit anymore.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: stockmarketer on August 08, 2017, 02:20
Just did my July analysis, comparing monthly totals vs prior months and last year. 

Holy cow.  In July, DT is off 50% for me vs July 2016.  Most other agencies are down around 10% for me vs year ago.  Up until July, DT was following the industry trend of being off around 10% vs year ago, then July hits and BAM, down 50%.  Very odd.

So why is DT collapsing while all the others are simply lagging?  This is really concerning to me as they've been my solid #3 for quite some time.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on August 08, 2017, 03:46
Agree!  before it was terrible but now its just completely dead full stop!. Probably the next agency to bite the dust!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: angelawaye on August 08, 2017, 13:34
I hope not. They are chirping at their normal tune for me. Nothing like it was years ago but definitely better than CanStock.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: JimP on August 09, 2017, 10:07
Agree!  before it was terrible but now its just completely dead full stop!. Probably the next agency to bite the dust!

+1
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: gerg on August 10, 2017, 03:08
I am not sure if it is lack of customers or over supply of contributors, or both.

is photography in general still a niche?  :-X
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on August 10, 2017, 03:46
I moved into CGI two years back!  sold like crazy but now thats gone dead as well and thats just too much work for little in return and NO^^ photography today is not a niche anymore but rather a punishment!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: southpict on August 12, 2017, 11:10
I often find that when you reach that point of complete frustration with DT you will get a flurry of credit sales.  Just enough to keep them interesting.

Funny how a dozen credit sales at DT trump 100 sub sales here and most of the other sites.

+1. DT is not so bad, you just have random sales . In July, I got more $ with DT than with all my "major" stock. In august it seems dead... but less then Fotolia/Adobe near to zero.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: PixelBytes on August 12, 2017, 16:06
Just did my July analysis, comparing monthly totals vs prior months and last year. 

Holy cow.  In July, DT is off 50% for me vs July 2016.  Most other agencies are down around 10% for me vs year ago.  Up until July, DT was following the industry trend of being off around 10% vs year ago, then July hits and BAM, down 50%.  Very odd.

So why is DT collapsing while all the others are simply lagging?  This is really concerning to me as they've been my solid #3 for quite some time.

Agree.  Something is definitely up at DT.  Been reading complaints about them for a couple of years, but my sales stayed strong there.  All of a sudden the past couple months - POOF!  Sales are gone.  I don't know if I had been getting a good search placement and now it changed, or if the whole site is down the tubes...?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on August 12, 2017, 17:11
the all micro stock industry is puff..dreasmtime sėthe worst...ss is falling down, ok is summer but anything sells...i hope they eliminate popular search cause it makes those who sold in 2006 still earning a lot compared to new files uploaded....i hope is summer but i doubt. there is a flow of images not only in micro but even from a lot of free sites who give full size great images free to anybody for any use. luckily micro account for 30 % of my business...and i can wait till all those agency bust and a new format appear.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Dumc on August 12, 2017, 19:58
the all micro stock industry is puff..dreasmtime sėthe worst...ss is falling down, ok is summer but anything sells...i hope they eliminate popular search cause it makes those who sold in 2006 still earning a lot compared to new files uploaded....i hope is summer but i doubt. there is a flow of images not only in micro but even from a lot of free sites who give full size great images free to anybody for any use. luckily micro account for 30 % of my business...and i can wait till all those agency bust and a new format appear.

You also forgot to mention that models in Ukraine are almost for free.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sarah2 on August 17, 2017, 02:45
DT down 85% on the same period last year.
 :o
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on August 23, 2017, 05:24
7 sale in one month, 2,2 dollar 10 days without sales. another agency i stop uploading. luckily ss fotolia are growing strongly so actually don't care. hope most of this agency close the door soon so less competition for agency with growing sales.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: H2O on August 23, 2017, 05:54
The sales on DD used to be good, every month I used to get a payout then they slowly declined, even though I continued to upload the decline continues.

I believe they really have this problem of not excepting similar photo’s from multiple angles, etc.

Buyers often want a run of the same model of style for there publications, this certainly was the beginning of the decline.

They also protect there exclusives, even if the quality is not up to the mark, they rotate sales round so that everyone gets a chance, this is why you will suddenly get a few sales then nothing.

Essentially the rotating has got wider gaps in it, as there sales have declined.

They need to do something, the site needs a redesign as it is very old fashioned in its look and feel and perhaps improve the customer offer as well as the experience

Its like they have lost all interest in moving forward, shame really as I quit like them
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on September 07, 2017, 15:16
I stopped uploading after their Royalty Free goes Limit Free

Two months without an upload and sales are just as rubbish
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: dragonblade on October 04, 2017, 04:03
Just now, I sold three photos of the same subject at the same time on DT. Must have been bought by the same person. Thankyou buyer.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Herg on December 18, 2017, 06:22
Appallingly bad. I absolutely have no idea why they rank third here. Totally inaccurate.

Sales every blue moon but everyday those annoying "images with no downloads" emails keep coming.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on December 18, 2017, 07:37
Appallingly bad. I absolutely have no idea why they rank third here. Totally inaccurate.

Sales every blue moon but everyday those annoying "images with no downloads" emails keep coming.
Third? seventh clusters of sales but 7th about right....
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: JimP on December 20, 2017, 04:08
Appallingly bad. I absolutely have no idea why they rank third here. Totally inaccurate.

Sales every blue moon but everyday those annoying "images with no downloads" emails keep coming.
Third? seventh clusters of sales but 7th about right....

I was going to ask the same. DT used to be one of the top 4 didn't they? Now #7 and 8 more that don't have enough votes are also ahead of them. Barely ahead of Mostphotos which shows how far DT has actually sank.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: lostintimeline on December 20, 2017, 20:17
i cant even sell a christmas photo there  ;D
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Oligo on December 22, 2017, 12:51
Maybe There are better photos that sell... competition is hard
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: lostintimeline on December 22, 2017, 19:49
i never said there arent better photos specially about the  christmas theme or ev else.i was just joking couse unfo many people left exclusivity as a result of bad sales and they ve been doin that since 2006?
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sarah2 on December 31, 2017, 03:55
Wow! DT been on a downward slide for ages - but December is just off a cliff! :(
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Asthebelltolls on December 31, 2017, 11:08
And isn't there always someone that's the exception in these topics? ;D
Unusually strong December for DT and I have next to nothing with a
Christmas theme in my portfolio. I even had a few days this month when
DT was beating out SS. The big holiday stinker for me was 123RF. Off the
cliff and into the deep, black hole. 7 sales with a portfolio in the +2500
category.  ???
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Liorpt on December 31, 2017, 11:52
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Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on January 01, 2018, 03:38
And isn't there always someone that's the exception in these topics? ;D
Unusually strong December for DT and I have next to nothing with a
Christmas theme in my portfolio. I even had a few days this month when
DT was beating out SS. The big holiday stinker for me was 123RF. Off the
cliff and into the deep, black hole. 7 sales with a portfolio in the +2500
category.  ???
Oddly I had some sales between xmas/newyear and not in the least seasonal....I find DT has the habit of selling just when you think it is finally dead and some very unexpected images too.......
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Hildegarde on January 01, 2018, 18:28
I have had some nice sales there.  My sales are increasing.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 01, 2018, 21:18
Appallingly bad. I absolutely have no idea why they rank third here. Totally inaccurate.

Sales every blue moon but everyday those annoying "images with no downloads" emails keep coming.
Third? seventh clusters of sales but 7th about right....

No answer from Herg. DT holds 7th if you ignore Clipartof, canva, self, Getty, eye, dissolve, story, and mostphoto. In which case DT would be 16 on the list. I'm not impressed with that 7.2 at all.

If I did all that much with music sales like he says, I would leave micro photo and concentrate where I make the best money.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Herg on January 15, 2018, 03:09
Dead and buried.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: qwerty on January 15, 2018, 04:02
2017 was about 35% of the earnings as in 2016.

I had falls with all agencies, but DT was the worst decrease by far.

It's a pity because they use to be my third highest earner now they're only about 15% of what I earn on shutterstock.




Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on January 15, 2018, 04:25
2017 was about 35% of the earnings as in 2016.

I had falls with all agencies, but DT was the worst decrease by far.

It's a pity because they use to be my third highest earner now they're only about 15% of what I earn on shutterstock.
bout 12% for me never that good for me though
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: qwerty on January 15, 2018, 04:44
might be time to buy a van and a surfboard, and get some Instagram followers.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on January 15, 2018, 07:44
All my money is going on Kodakcoins....I heard they are designed to be just the right size to fit film canisters
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: jonbull on January 15, 2018, 07:48
te industry is moving on a 3 maximum 4 agency. shutter stock fotoia stock and pond
the rest will close soon.
dreamstime is completely finished despite the message on their boards that is our portfolio other instead are selling very good.
apart some big company, even a lot of good seller have stopped to upload there, if you compare their portfolio in folia and shutterstoc.,

i will not upload anymore. just collect some random 100 dollar every 2 3 months.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on January 15, 2018, 07:54
I'm not so sure agencies seem to hang around for years selling almost nothing...but i'm certainly seeing sharp declines in sales of the "lesser" agencies
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: rinderart on March 16, 2018, 23:57
very sad. a Good site at One time. why and how Is beyond me.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 17, 2018, 05:27
I'm lucky if I get payout once per year DT are largely irrelevant just like all the others
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pauws99 on March 17, 2018, 05:32
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Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Brasilnut on March 17, 2018, 07:07
It's a nice site but it seems to be going down ImageBrief's direction unless management there can do something extraordinary
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 17, 2018, 09:56
I'm not sure that management has done anything there the past several years - they seem to be just coasting along.  They used to be a strong number three for me, but now falling back with the low-earner pack.  Too bad.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Brasilnut on March 21, 2018, 15:37
Wow 3 sales for me on DT today with 2,044 images (new record  ;D) one of them $2!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Herg on March 23, 2018, 09:36
Can someone move Dreamstime down in the ranking on this site as it's misleading. They are abysmal. My balance looks the same from week to week.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 24, 2018, 10:24
Can someone move Dreamstime down in the ranking on this site as it's misleading. They are abysmal. My balance looks the same from week to week.

They aren't doing a good job of that on their own?  :) DT is double BS both are just dead, but look at the count how many keep selling on those. When DP and 123 are ahead that's a sure sign that the end is near.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on March 24, 2018, 12:22
Can someone move Dreamstime down in the ranking on this site as it's misleading. They are abysmal. My balance looks the same from week to week.

They aren't doing a good job of that on their own?  :) DT is double BS both are just dead, but look at the count how many keep selling on those. When DP and 123 are ahead that's a sure sign that the end is near.

Its " the end is nigh". Just saying mate!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: angelawaye on March 24, 2018, 13:26
BS is awful - way dead. I'm actually going to email them about closing my account.

DT still has some life for me ... They did take a bad turn this year though. Not sure what happened.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: alexandersr on March 25, 2018, 16:19
Over 6000 images Q1 2017: 12 $    :o

2017 its totally a very bad year for me ? for DR ? i don't know !

FT on the other hand looks better and better for me at least

Could you show us your portafolio? thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: derek on March 26, 2018, 06:10
It amazes me as soon as the going gets tough and takings are down they start pushing sub-packages pissing off all serious suppliers capable of uploading quality and commercially viable images. Sure sign of just a downhill struggle. Should be the opposite! but no not DT!  they have been doing this ever since new year and they wonder why people quit?? haha!
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: christiano on March 26, 2018, 08:55
My best month with 11 sales RDP 0.94.
Started from scratch in july 2017.
port around 500
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Asthebelltolls on March 26, 2018, 13:38
My only issue with DT was, and always has been, their "$100" requirement for payout. A low middle tier agency....it takes too long to cash out for most suppliers.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Dodie on March 26, 2018, 14:27
My only issue with DT was, and always has been, their "$100" requirement for payout. A low middle tier agency....it takes too long to cash out for most suppliers.
Not just the $100 limit, what I noticed that things (dls) are acceptable until I reach ~$70 and than sales stop. From there on it takes me double the time (or more) to reach payout. I dare say, they intentionally delay reaching payout.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: rinderart on March 31, 2018, 10:16
+1
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Pixart on March 31, 2018, 11:41
Could this be the reason for their spectacular crash?
https://www.law360.com/articles/1027583/stock-photo-co-says-google-search-shuts-out-non-partners (https://www.law360.com/articles/1027583/stock-photo-co-says-google-search-shuts-out-non-partners)

"Dreamstime said its troubles started in the second half of 2015, when Google allegedly used its monopoly power in online search advertising to boost up Shutterfly while bumping down other stock photo sellers. In February 2018, Google struck a similar deal with Getty Images, and Dreamstime said it’s expecting more of the alleged algorithm changes to occur, pushing it further into search result oblivion, according to the suit."

(Question - I wonder when the article refers to Shutterstock if they mean Shutterfly?)

Their dates kinda jive with my own decline.  And SS did have a bump for me starting in about May 2015.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: Zero Talent on March 31, 2018, 13:50
My only issue with DT was, and always has been, their "$100" requirement for payout. A low middle tier agency....it takes too long to cash out for most suppliers.
Not just the $100 limit, what I noticed that things (dls) are acceptable until I reach ~$70 and than sales stop. From there on it takes me double the time (or more) to reach payout. I dare say, they intentionally delay reaching payout.

BS.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: mino21 on April 10, 2018, 06:31
For me, DT was dead for a long time. This month is surprisingly good so far.
Title: Re: Dead dead and dead
Post by: YadaYadaYada on April 10, 2018, 08:54
Could this be the reason for their spectacular crash?
https://www.law360.com/articles/1027583/stock-photo-co-says-google-search-shuts-out-non-partners (https://www.law360.com/articles/1027583/stock-photo-co-says-google-search-shuts-out-non-partners)

"Dreamstime said its troubles started in the second half of 2015, when Google allegedly used its monopoly power in online search advertising to boost up Shutterfly while bumping down other stock photo sellers. In February 2018, Google struck a similar deal with Getty Images, and Dreamstime said it’s expecting more of the alleged algorithm changes to occur, pushing it further into search result oblivion, according to the suit."

(Question - I wonder when the article refers to Shutterstock if they mean Shutterfly?)

Their dates kinda jive with my own decline.  And SS did have a bump for me starting in about May 2015.

Except if you read the SS here, sales are bad for the last two years there too. Shutterfly is a POD site.

Dreamstime is taking it's last breath and wants to sue in case they can get a last payout before closing. Maybe Google will just buy them and have that Microstock site that people keep saying Google wants to build. That's also the claimed reason why others are falling, because Google wants that business. But Google has no stock site that I know?

If they are pushed into oblivion why are the numbers still up here? Something wrong with that. Is somebody lying on the poll to make DT look better? I don't know anyone doing good sales on DT.