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« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2018, 04:20 »
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No, its Absolutley dead. No increase. Just manipulated sales on some kind of wheel of miss fortune but the stops are getting less and less.
Only your experience counts? Some people often go against the trend on some sites good luck to them.


« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2018, 05:52 »
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Dead also for me. Even after I uploaded continuously my sales have gone down so I decided that as of July 1 I will not upload any files there!
They don't deserve it!

« Reply #152 on: June 13, 2018, 22:34 »
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My sales there have dropped drastically the past couple months. Low earner for me now.

« Reply #153 on: June 14, 2018, 09:26 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!

« Reply #154 on: June 14, 2018, 11:35 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

« Reply #155 on: June 14, 2018, 17:47 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform

« Reply #156 on: June 14, 2018, 18:11 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform

A better metric is RPI/year.

« Reply #157 on: June 15, 2018, 02:29 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

because it's the main KPI, the one that determines how much I gained per image, and if is it worth for me to spend time uploading pictures on the platform
Only if you stop uploading. It takes exactly the same time to upload a rejected image as an accepted one. So if you have 10,000 images on one site that accepted everything and made 1,000 and 500 images on another that rejected 9,500 images and you made 500 which is better? Income vs time spent working on that site is a better measure...I guess you could include images worked on but not accepted at each site...that would improve it as a measure.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2018, 02:31 by Pauws99 »

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« Reply #158 on: June 15, 2018, 09:56 »
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Well, I saw, over the past year, some revenue increase, making it the second highest in the grow of the low earners... Then, I got a careful look at the stats: they are now accepting more or less anything, so the RPI is actually extremely low, the worst of the platforms I'm on... When even 123RF is better, then it's maybe time to consider leaving the boat!
Why does RPI matter?

Because people like looking at statistics that are, in the end, mostly meaningless.

Yes it's nice to know that agency A makes a RPD of .## and agency B makes .## maybe annual RPD, but knowing has no effect on future performance it's just history. The data could spot a trend, if done by subject or styles or video vs photo Etc.

RPI, even less relevant or useful. Like people have pointed out for time after time, if one agency takes anything and I have 10,000 images and another is selective and I have 4,000 and another doesn't take Editorial so I have even less, how do I compare apples and oranges to the bananas? They aren't the same photos. Plus the one that's got only the best, should make more money because the useless filler has been removed.

The only number that matters to me is money in the bank. How much do I make from an agency per month and more valuable the long term, per year. There are daily ups and downs, months that are better or worse, but a year is a year, and that's the number that goes on the tax forms, which is nice to monitor.

Maybe some people think that watching months and days or making charts and graphs does something to help sales. Only if the data is used to predict what subjects, concepts, and styles sell better. For just numbers, that's a waste of time. You can look at your best seller lists on any agency and see what sells without making pie charts. RPI and RPD are virtually useless for building sales, they only reflect what's already happened.

Yes DT is dead for me, not a shock or unexpected. Keep in mind that DT knows they are dead and suing Google, claiming that the sales have fallen off terribly because of the search. DT knows that they are in trouble. Too bad, nice people, but business is more often just about business, not nice people we'd like to see making a good run at Microstock.

« Reply #159 on: June 16, 2018, 09:22 »
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Comparing RPI across agencies is actually useful because it tells you where to focus energy.  If I have fewer images on an agency with a high RPI then I will definitely want to increase my portfolio size on that one.  I try to make images that will have the greatest appeal to the agencies with the highest RPI as those are likely to get the most bang for the effort.  Of course those are also almost always the agencies that make the most money, but RPI is very useful for helping to decide whether to continue with a new agency - they are only worth bothering with if they have a high RPI.

DT has been hanging in there for me.  For the past year or so I have been getting runs of multiple downloads of similar images from the same topics - often almost everything I have submitted on them.  No idea for what purpose, unless somebody is just making databases for future use.  I have a lot more on most them that I could submit so had better get to it while the going is good.  So far this month DT is at number three, ahead of FT, although I expect that will change by the end of the month.

« Reply #160 on: June 16, 2018, 12:48 »
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RPI would only be a valuable tool if all the pictures on all your agencies were identical, same type, or same subjects. SS takes subjects and editorial that Adobe doesn't. Adobe takes drawings and some subjects that SS won't. Alamy takes everything is the quality is right. DT might accept or refuse for subjects and styles. DP seems to have stopped reviewing or they do bulk rejections. IS has different rules and standards than the rest including what editorial they will and won't take. How can you get any sense out of that, when the pictures, videoor subjects that are accepted are not the same?

« Reply #161 on: June 16, 2018, 16:00 »
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RPI would only be a valuable tool if all the pictures on all your agencies were identical, same type, or same subjects. SS takes subjects and editorial that Adobe doesn't. Adobe takes drawings and some subjects that SS won't. Alamy takes everything is the quality is right. DT might accept or refuse for subjects and styles. DP seems to have stopped reviewing or they do bulk rejections. IS has different rules and standards than the rest including what editorial they will and won't take. How can you get any sense out of that, when the pictures, videoor subjects that are accepted are not the same?

Calculating RPI on accepted pictures doesn't make sense.
If you use the number of images submitted (or produced) it does make sense.
It tells you how much revenue to expect per image of your style / subject on average.
So you have a rough idea how many images you need to have to achieve a given monthly income.
Of course it's not exact, and of course it changes over time.
But it gives you a rough idea what to expect.

« Reply #162 on: June 16, 2018, 16:55 »
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  Of course those are also almost always the agencies that make the most money, but RPI is very useful for helping to decide whether to continue with a new agency - they are only worth bothering with if they have a high RPI.

Do you really need to calculate RPI to know this instead of how many $$$s you have made? It goes back to the point those that use RPI don't seem to address...what if the agency only accepts 1 in a thousand images but sells it for $5 is that good? I just go by gut instinct but if you wanted to do it "properly" the measure should be how much of your time was spent uploading. If I can just ftp a thousand images I need less return that a site where I have to categorise and prioritise key words.

« Reply #163 on: June 19, 2018, 05:08 »
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What do you think of the FREE DOWNLOAD button under every image? You see it only when you are logged off. When you are logged on it reads DOWNLOAD. I would not have noticed it, but a customer emailed me and asked,  is this image no. Xxxxxx really free?
Maybe I missed something but did not see this free download issue mentioned here.

« Reply #164 on: June 19, 2018, 07:47 »
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Unfortunately for me also. Sebalos I want to contact you do you have FB ?

« Reply #165 on: June 19, 2018, 08:07 »
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Unfortunately for me also. Sebalos I want to contact you do you have FB ?

I sent you a privet message ;)

« Reply #166 on: June 19, 2018, 08:13 »
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What do you think of the FREE DOWNLOAD button under every image? You see it only when you are logged off. When you are logged on it reads DOWNLOAD. I would not have noticed it, but a customer emailed me and asked,  is this image no. Xxxxxx really free?
Maybe I missed something but did not see this free download issue mentioned here.

Humm... that's interesting.  I wonder what were getting paid for those "free downloads"?

« Reply #167 on: June 19, 2018, 08:24 »
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They offer 5 images for FREE if you register with a card an activate a monthly subscription.
Anyway, form now I will stop uploading to them. The effort and the associated risks are no longer justified !!

« Reply #168 on: June 19, 2018, 08:50 »
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Asked and answered on their own forum -you get paid for the free downloads as normal. It is their promotion at their expense.

« Reply #169 on: June 20, 2018, 08:54 »
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This year no downloads at dt, very disappointing
Last year i had 1 or 2 sales every month
Not much, i have little port of 229 images

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #170 on: June 20, 2018, 09:18 »
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RPI would only be a valuable tool if all the pictures on all your agencies were identical, same type, or same subjects. SS takes subjects and editorial that Adobe doesn't. Adobe takes drawings and some subjects that SS won't. Alamy takes everything is the quality is right. DT might accept or refuse for subjects and styles. DP seems to have stopped reviewing or they do bulk rejections. IS has different rules and standards than the rest including what editorial they will and won't take. How can you get any sense out of that, when the pictures, videoor subjects that are accepted are not the same?

Calculating RPI on accepted pictures doesn't make sense.
If you use the number of images submitted (or produced) it does make sense.
It tells you how much revenue to expect per image of your style / subject on average.
So you have a rough idea how many images you need to have to achieve a given monthly income.
Of course it's not exact, and of course it changes over time.
But it gives you a rough idea what to expect.

That part about only uploaded images and RPI does make sense. Especially for the reason you pointed out "how much revenue to expect per image of your style / subject on average."

But the way most people use RPI is, how much for agency by agency and as someone else has pointed out, if you have different images on all the agencies, the number has no statistical basis. Roughly 4,000 of my images on SS are not anywhere else. Most of my illustrations on Adobe are not on SS. IS cleared out my Editorial because it was competing with Getty paid photographers. Alamy I hardly upload new and have thousands of old images, many are not anywhere else!

DT for me is dead because I don't care anymore, so I really can't blame them for that. No new upload, no old files sell, apathy is it's own reward?  ;D

But RPI for me, is impossible and means nothing, because of the above. If someone was to model something like you suggest, upload the same everywhere, and count produced images that where worked and uploaded, that would be a really useful number.

There are too many variables in RPD or RPI to make the numbers accurate or important across agencies. Yes it can be interesting and general but statistically both are full of flaws and susceptible to high probability of error when using to compare agency to agency. With that, knowing my RPI at SS with twice as many images, that are almost 90% different from Adobe? Meaningless.

I'll admit if someone has 90% the same images at all their agencies, RPD and RPI would be very interesting, that and what sells best at each individual agency. Why upload flowers to one place if they don't sell, but then on another flowers make good downloads. Use time for making what sells... not wasting time on irrelevant statistics, charts and graphs.  ;)


« Reply #171 on: June 20, 2018, 17:05 »
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"that and what sells best at each individual agency. Why upload flowers to one place if they don't sell, but then on another flowers make good downloads" true up to a point but generally once the work is done then the time to upload to a site is normally negligible. Unless you subscribe to the theory that your view rate affects your search position then you might want to focus.....too many variables and complications for me so any site I subscribe to gets everything. Also what sold in the past not may not sell in the future as many "old hands" have found.

« Reply #172 on: June 21, 2018, 15:08 »
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Guys, we're leaving. I've been in this business since 2007, and now I understand that no matter what I do and how much, they will not share profits with me. I now work only as a private independent graphic designer, and I advise everyone to do the same.

« Reply #173 on: June 28, 2018, 18:36 »
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Hello everybody,

I just want to share my experience about DT

I am an enthusiastic photographer who started stock photography in January 2017, with Alamy as my first site.

Also in January 2017, I signed up in ShutterS, and Dreamstime.

On April 2017, I signed up in Istock and late in Adobe Stock. (about December 2017)

It took me around 18 months to build a portfolio of around 2000 images in total.

I have commercial and editorial, mostly editorial.

My balance till now from Jan 2017 to June 2018 it is:

SS-      Images online: 1700          Downloads: 1300 - earnings around 700 USD

Adobe- Images online: 600            Downloads: 120 - earnings around 95 USD

Istock: Images Online: 1650          Downloads: 600 - earnings around 300 USD

Alamy: Images Online: 2000: 20 sales, around 340 USD net profit ( it took me 9 months for my first sale but now I have two or three by month but good money for each sale. My 20 sales are from October 2017 to now Jun 18)

Dreamstime: 1810 images online and just 107 sales and 66 USD earnings and I have even more photos online than in Shutterstock (1700)


Even Adobe it is a lot better for me, just 600 images and 120 downloads and 95 dollars...even I used to have only 200 images in Adobe and In Feb 2017 I started to upload again till completed 600 files in Jun 2018.

I really was thinking to close my account in Dreamstime...even I think they give preference to the exclusive photographers in the search results on the DT site.

I don't expect a lot but at least to be better than Adobe and closer to Istock where I have now around 90 downloads by month.

Have excellent day ladies and gentlemen!!

PD: I have the same photos on all the sites, excepts adobe which does not accept editorial.




« Last Edit: June 28, 2018, 19:13 by ruramos »

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