Dreamstime thinks all photographers are male?

redfox

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« on: May 09, 2011, 08:39 »

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I was just browsing Dreamstime and decided to review the terms for extended licenses, under "Sell the Rights (SR-EL):" it is stated that "The photographer is required to disable the file permanently from all other places where HE may sell it"

I don't think this is a big problem but I found it rather funny and thought I'd share my discovery

P.S I'm a male so I guess I have to follow those terms..*


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BaldricksTrousers

« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 08:44 »

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I always thought it was a bit funny that for the last 30 years people have been tying themselves in knots and creating stunningly ugly sentences to try to get around the "problem" that not all their readers are of the same gender.

For those who insist on being PC, we do have a neutral pronoun - "it" - but people don't like to have it applied to them.


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Graffoto

« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 08:53 »

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Can always use the somewhat awkward he/she Grin


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luissantos84

« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 09:10 »

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don´t ask me why and I am not "machist/whatever" but I always see photographers as man, don´t see that often woman with cameras but actually it turned me on a lot Grin

maybe that because 90% of the woman that are photographers are hot


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microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2011, 09:25 »

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I've seen a lot of female photographers and videographers at art exhibition openings and live gigs lately...

besides being usually hot - I've noticed that too - maybe they are smarter than us and manage to get passes for few but interesting assignments, not the boring kind


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BaldricksTrousers

« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2011, 09:39 »

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Quote from: microstockphoto.co.uk on May 09, 2011, 09:25

Wow! Rampant sexism!!!


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lthn

« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 10:04 »

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This cannot be tolerated. Someone has to be jailed.


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luissantos84

« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2011, 10:06 »

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hot women deserve better jobs not only in photography!!!


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csproductions

« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2011, 10:27 »

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For generations now, when referring to the someone in the third person, the male reference ("he", "him," "his," etc.) is understood to be gender-neutral in the applicable contexts. If it offends someone, then someone needs to get over it.


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microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2011, 10:36 »

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Yes, it's understood but I like the "somewhat awkward he/she" ^^ better


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BaldricksTrousers

« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 10:45 »

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Quote from: microstockphoto.co.uk on May 09, 2011, 10:36

Yes, it's understood but I like the "somewhat awkward he/she" ^^ better

Sexist! What's wrong with she/he?


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microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 10:49 »

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Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 09, 2011, 10:45

Quote from: microstockphoto.co.uk on May 09, 2011, 10:36

Yes, it's understood but I like the "somewhat awkward he/she" ^^ better

Sexist! What's wrong with she/he?

Who said it's wrong? Not me. I said that I like "he/she" better than "he" as gender-neutral; she/he is equally good of course, but even less used.

And - above, when you called me "sexist" for the first time - did I imply that women are getting jobs they don't deserve because they are hot, or did I question their photographic skills? Not at all

I said they are hot AND smart, as in 4.:

smart adj (smarter, smartest) 1 neat, trim and well-dressed. 2 clever; witty; astute or shrewd. 3 expensive, sophisticated and fashionable. 4 quick, adept and efficient in business
[from the Chambers Harrap dictionary]

You seem to exaggerate my observations as if they were absolute, negative statements. Sorry, I didn't mean to reply but being called "sexist" twice in the same thread, I felt like I had to.


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Megastock

« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 11:56 »

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Pretty easy to reword to avoid the issue:

"The photographer is required to disable the file permanently from all other places where it is available for sale."


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lisafx

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 12:53 »

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Quote from: csproductions on May 09, 2011, 10:27

Yep. This is how I learned it to. I'm a female photographer (not hot though, sorry to disappoint Wink

) and I am certainly not offended by it.


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BaldricksTrousers

« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 14:56 »

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Quote from: microstockphoto.co.uk on May 09, 2011, 10:49

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 09, 2011, 10:45

Quote from: microstockphoto.co.uk on May 09, 2011, 10:36

Yes, it's understood but I like the "somewhat awkward he/she" ^^ better

Sexist! What's wrong with she/he?

I'm teasing you. (Actually, I didn't realise I had picked on the same person twice). Don't get upset about it. I'm sure I'm a million times more "sexist" than you are. But there was a small point - that when you start trying to hunt for things that someone or other might get offended about and then go out of your way to avoid it, you risk creating new offence. He/she isn't neutral, neither is she/he. If people are going to be so sensitive they will get offended whatever you do.


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microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2011, 15:04 »

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Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 09, 2011, 14:56

No problem


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lola

« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2011, 15:13 »

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What if "she, her" was used the same way (meaning either sex in certain contexts) - zero men would complain, right? Cheesy

I personally don't care.


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michaeldb

« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2011, 15:30 »

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Quote from: Megastock on May 09, 2011, 11:56

Pretty easy to reword to avoid the issue:

"The photographer is required to disable the file permanently from all other places where it is available for sale."

I find that offensive. Cry

It assumes that all submitters are photographers. I am an illustrator, I never stoop to submiting mere photos. (Photography is for people who want to make pictures but who lack skill, talent, and imagination.)

I say we illustrators should sue DT and lobby Congress to pass laws to protect us from image-discrimination.


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microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2011, 16:10 »

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And what about the word "sale"? We are "artists" perceiving "royalties", not salespersons Cheesy


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luissantos84

« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2011, 16:30 »

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LOL come on guys!


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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 17:09 »

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Lol! I am actually laughing out loud here.

@ Luis, now we know why you do this Wink

@ Lisa, we'll be the judge of that Wink


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luissantos84

« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2011, 17:15 »

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ahahahah photographers should be only woman and HOT (I can PM if anybody wants to see a few hot photographers all around the world)


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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2011, 17:25 »

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Quote from: luissantos84 on May 09, 2011, 17:15

ahahahah photographers should be only woman and HOT (I can PM if anybody wants to see a few hot photographers all around the world)

Well, I like the way the eyes of beautiful women light up if I say I'm a photographer. It's just such a shame that I stink at that kind of photography.


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zollster

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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2011, 17:31 »

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every person on the internet is a straight white american male in their mid 20s. even when proven otherwise


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ShadySue

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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2011, 17:32 »

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As one of the 10%, what's wrong with s/he in writing, which translates as 'he or she' in speech?
A couple of weeks ago, someone seemed astonished to see me take a photo with a long lens, "Oh, I thought that was your husband's camera and you were carrying it for him!"
(I'd love a camera sherpa, though!)


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