Author Topic: DT doesn't like forum threads about subscriptions. Why not? (Read 4289 times)

HughStoneIan · « **on:** August 29, 2009, 13:12 »

As an example,

http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_18291

What's so bothersome about a simple thread about subscriptions that they have to lock it so quickly?? And threatening to delete future ones?? Wassup?

HermanM · « **Reply #1 on:** August 29, 2009, 13:27 »

Maybe they dont want us to notice that subs will eventually take over sales, good for them but not for us...

KB · « **Reply #2 on:** August 29, 2009, 15:43 »

The last time I tried to start a thread about it (and mine wasn't complaining about the number of sales, or anything else), the thread was deleted with no warning or acknowledgment. It simply disappeared, along with the responses.

DT and FT (aka FL

) constantly vie for 1st when it comes to title of Censorship Leader.

stockastic · « **Reply #3 on:** August 29, 2009, 16:19 »

After one truly weird experience with DT's obsessive forum policing, I never posted there again.

Phil · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2009, 16:48 »

Quote from: KB on August 29, 2009, 15:43

The last time I tried to start a thread about it (and mine wasn't complaining about the number of sales, or anything else), the thread was deleted with no warning or acknowledgment. It simply disappeared, along with the responses.

DT and FT (aka FL ) constantly vie for 1st when it comes to title of Censorship Leader.

imo istock is #1 for 'this thread has been locked'

rene · « **Reply #5 on:** August 29, 2009, 20:58 »

Quote from: KB on August 29, 2009, 15:43

The last time I tried to start a thread about it (and mine wasn't complaining about the number of sales, or anything else), the thread was deleted with no warning or acknowledgment. It simply disappeared, along with the responses.

DT and FT (aka FL ) constantly vie for 1st when it comes to title of Censorship Leader.

Exactly, posts just disappear.
Sometimes I don't understand why. I saw a thread from Keeweeboy just saying he was unhappy with new 30% commission (instead of 50%) deleted. immediately. Maybe Ceausescu still has the control ?

traveler1116 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 29, 2009, 21:21 »

Quote from: Phil on August 29, 2009, 16:48

Quote from: KB on August 29, 2009, 15:43
The last time I tried to start a thread about it (and mine wasn't complaining about the number of sales, or anything else), the thread was deleted with no warning or acknowledgment. It simply disappeared, along with the responses.

DT and FT (aka FL ) constantly vie for 1st when it comes to title of Censorship Leader.

imo istock is #1 for 'this thread has been locked'

they lock them others disappear them

LSD72 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2009, 22:39 »

Control the Media and flow of information. Hmmm...sounds familiar. At least they have Twitter in China....lol.

photoshow · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2009, 04:08 »

Dreamstime has never been a place for discussion of topics that have a potential for heated debate especially when it could lead directly to them coming under fire for their own policies

Clivia · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2009, 05:03 »

Isn't this one of the main reasons for having this forum? The sites have a right to police and censor their forums any way they want. We are not citizens, and do not have any right to free speech on their sites. We have the right bring the discussion here and continue it to our hearts content. It seems a bit naive not to expect them to delete posts they don't like.

What I don't like are those sites who punish people for being outspoken here, and it has happened in the past. That says a lot more about the management of those sites.

Pheby · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2009, 05:44 »

This statement by the admin makes me sick:

"A sale is a sale. Someone appreciated your images and paid for them - be encouraged by that."

As if it didn't make a difference to anyone on DT whether it was a sale with a revenue of 3,60 or 0,20.

Allsa · « **Reply #11 on:** August 30, 2009, 08:11 »

I think subscriptions are ruining microstock, at least for the photographers. At both FT and DT, I've noticed that more and more of my downloads are subscription, and it's hurting my earnings. DT most likely has no answer for this, so they cut off all discussion. It's very discouraging.

Dreamframer · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2009, 08:31 »

I use forums of agencies only when I want to ask something very specific, but that's very rare. Last year I was almost banned for posting about FT bad search engine. The administrator posted in my thread that my account will be deleted if I continue to write about it. Anyway, search engine was fixed few months after it because there were too many complaints.

lephotography · « **Reply #13 on:** August 30, 2009, 22:14 »

I dont even go to the forums on the agencies anymore.. that is what is so great about this site. They can not monitor what we say.
Who wants to be banned for asking simple questions or wanting to know an answer.. ha How silly.
I have been in trouble on Crestock before. Of course if they banned me,,, no harm done. HA

I think all the agencies should get together and agree to drop the subscriptions. They would all make more money and so would we. Buyers are going to buy images even without the subscriptions.

Xalanx · « **Reply #14 on:** August 30, 2009, 23:58 »

Quote from: stardust on August 30, 2009, 05:44

This statement by the admin makes me sick:

"A sale is a sale. Someone appreciated your images and paid for them - be encouraged by that."

Well this is at the very least a huge lack of common sense from that guy. So according to this individual we should be thankful that someone is not stealing our images and is willing to make a huge sacrifice to "donate" whatever amount of money for them. What a 5ucker!!

Achilles · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2009, 03:12 »

We don't dislike threads about subscriptions any more than threads on the same subject being posted over and over again:
- sales up yesterday, sales down today - oh, the search engine changed and I'm affected!
- post your next image aka pimp your portfolio
Even if not so often, add to the above flaming the agency without any argument to support it or posting the same "I want this" over and over.

Basically, moderators will delete any repetitive subject and any post that tries to flame us without an argument. The pricing threads have tons of negative posts that were NOT deleted. Very few actually get deleted, we probably have an average of 1 post per day.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can post anything. I've seen tons of threads on this forum being hijacked from the original subject, losing their goal. Posting on any forum should be a privilege not a right.

@Xalanx - to reply to your statement: this industry started with $0.20 per download and stayed below $1 for quite a long time. Just because you arrived at a later date, doesn't mean the past contributors were suckers, right?

Accusing moderators or reviewers this way is childish, if not rude. These people work, put a lot of energy and efforts into it. Not only for them, but also for you. Do you think is nice to badmouth them? Do you think that I would be posting here if I would have something to hide on Dreamstime (e.g. via censorship)?

hqimages · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2009, 04:36 »

Quote

Posting on any forum should be a privilege not a right.

I don't agree. In this forum, it's a privilege. As a contributor paying commission to a company, it's a right. BIIIIIG difference.

Xalanx · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2009, 04:52 »

Quote from: hqimages on August 31, 2009, 04:36

Quote
Posting on any forum should be a privilege not a right.

I don't agree. In this forum, it's a privilege. As a contributor paying commission to a company, it's a right. BIIIIIG difference.

Very true.

@Achilles: Why don't you close threads with praise about how great dreamstime is?
What do you mean flaming the agency? Agency reducing comissions is called ... how? In other words you'll accept only comments like "we're happy, we don't need anything and you guys rule"?! I find your answer in this independent forum a bit off the line.
I called THAT specific admin sucker, not the contributors. The line that stardust pointed to is rude and disrespectful. I have also no respect for a person like this. What's YOUR problem?

I really don't know why are you posting here, regarding this topic. When most of the contributors "badmouth" you for the reduction in comissions you come here and defend that moderator or whatever he is, despite his totally inconsiderate manner of dealing with submitters?

LE: You know, Achilles - I'm getting the feeling that this guy's (the admin in question) view about contributors is not shared only by him, among DT's staff, is this true?
Why don't you conduct a survey to see whether your changes are making submitters happy or not? Just to stand out of the crowd and not make people start to mistake DT for some other agency, renowned for its ... manners to contributors. What do you say?

Pheby · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2009, 06:06 »

To tell someone how to feel about something that directly has an effect on them is nothing else than arrogant. THAT is what sucks, to me at least. How dare a DT admin tell contributors to be happy with a 20 cent sale? We're not schoolkids who need to be told off for moaning.

And why is it a privilege to post in a site's forum? if it's not every contributor's right to post on the forum, I really don't want to know.

Xalanx is absolutely right.

Achilles · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2009, 07:55 »

Threads celebrating milestones, congrats etc. are moderated just as well. One of the reasons that the Blogs exist is to take part of that traffic, leaving the boards less cluttered.

LSD72 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2009, 09:17 »

It's a good thing MSG is not controlled by DT. We can gripe, complain, praise, fool around, pimp, share, advise, instruct, celebrate all we want here and it stays here for people to see and reply.

Leaf...you really should do something about all this clutter that we enjoy going through. Maybe I should suggest that to SS too. To me, these are the 2 best Microstock Discussion Boards. Wonder why?

Pheby · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2009, 10:18 »

Quote from: Achilles on August 31, 2009, 07:55

Threads celebrating milestones, congrats etc. are moderated just as well. One of the reasons that the Blogs exist is to take part of that traffic, leaving the boards less cluttered.

I wonder what would happen to a critical blog article about subscriptions (that also left the boards uncluttered)...

madelaide · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2009, 10:36 »

I think that, as long as people keep posting politely, there should be no reason to censor. There is nothing wrong about people disagreeing with each other (or an agency), it is the attacks and sarcasm that destroy a discussion (as seen here SO many times).

cthoman · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2009, 11:17 »

I can see Achilles point. Pimping threads and complaint threads can become tiresome real quick. Personally, I like to read the illustration forums at most sites because they seem to be a little more laid back and isolated from some of the normal gripes.

On the other hand, the complaint and pimping threads also seem to be the most popular and posted in. So maybe that is what the people want. I don't know if the solution is to isolate those topics to a separate forum topic area and move threads to that location instead of deleting them.

Just an idea.

Adeptris · « **Reply #24 on:** August 31, 2009, 12:12 »

It is amazing how may people that post in forums that belong to the websites do not understand thier purpose, they are just tools to share information to the benefit of the 'websites business', to generate a feeling of 'community and comfort for buyers and contributors' and act as a general communication channel for discussion without having to answer thousands of email enquiries.

Look how many site when you join have a link "to our community forum where you can get advice from fellow artists", so topics that flame or attack the changes to any business are not good for that business or how new suppliers may view it, why would they leave negative topics on public view as they will only harm the business, if the business has to cut what it pays to it's suppliers it does not need to be told that the suppliers are unhappy as it will already know.

Topics that show that the business has made a good change of policy, or added a new feature that benefits the contributors will be most welcomed, as they are good for the business, on the other hand every business will have to make changes to it's model from time to time that will affect it's suppliers, and they will not want these openly discussed in thier forums.

They will allow some negative but not to damaging topics to be left to run thier course or locked, these are to show that they are 'fair', 'open' and 'listen to thier contributors'.

David