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« on: June 14, 2011, 16:07 »
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I am getting quite upset with Dreamstime, they want 100 pics on the same picture.. this aint good for stock and even worst for us contributors.. this is just NUTS

my latest work on spices is just incredible, imagine you have a picture from ABOVE and other front view.. they wont took both.. they want both on the same pic.. this is just NUTS

I dont know how much I will give to them when they dont care about nice pictures.. but only nice pictures to sell at 35cents and worst keep on rejecting due to similar when they arent and WORST approving crappy pictures from newbiews..

where is Dreamstime going??.. THANKS GOD they are the only one doing this... sorry but I am quite pissed and seem that support doesnt help, only repeats to do COLLAGE!!!


Slovenian

« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 16:49 »
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Then do the * collage or just upload on from each subject. Or stop uploading alltogehter. Nothing else will help, that's for sure ;)

« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2011, 16:51 »
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Then do the * collage or just upload on from each subject. Or stop uploading alltogehter. Nothing else will help, that's for sure ;)

I am getting quite *removed coarse language* of doing collages just for their desire.. so I believe I will do when I feel the picture will be nicier if not I wont... their lose for sure

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2011, 16:55 »
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I recycled some of my old 2 Megapixels pictures from 10 years ago for their collages. Otherwise, I am not going to put on a collage any new picture which is selling elsewhere.

« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2011, 17:07 »
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I wrote them off, as much as it hurts as they used to be very, very awesome.

For some unknown reason they came up with this collage thing and I contacted them about it.

Sadly, they don't even bother to personally write you an email anymore. It's just a template that they send out to contributors, trying to explain why they do it this way.

However, we know better since we sell the other images at other agencies that they refuse but they won't listen.

I say it again, it's "just" a matter of implementing a good search algorithm, one that groups images of the same item in something like a lightbox within one's portfolio, displaying a thumbnail of the best seller of the series.

If a buyer is intrigued, they can click on the light box and see different angles etc.

They screw themselves thinking they're doing themselves a favor.

It's upsetting yes, but we're not running that place so let them run it up the wall. Sad that they don't even want to listen to us or appreciate our feedback.

« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2011, 17:21 »
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I hardly ever upload there now.  There's no way I'm doing collages just for them, they would have to sell more and for more money.

I sell a lot less there now than I used to, the increased prices keep my earnings from sinking too far but there's really little incentive with their rejection policy and lack of growth.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2011, 18:48 »
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It is a very discouraging time in microstock; none of the agencies are offering happy faces.   :(
Rejections at DT and SS; nothing selling at BS and CC;  and the really infuriating results (for me) at iStock.  I just had three consecutive sales giving me .... 10 cents, 14 cents, and 18 cents.

Makes the DT Level Zero stuff look pretty good.   :P

« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 19:52 »
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It is a very discouraging time in microstock; none of the agencies are offering happy faces.   :(
Rejections at Dreamstime and Shutterstock; nothing selling at BS and CC;  and the really infuriating results (for me) at iStock.  I just had three consecutive sales giving me .... 10 cents, 14 cents, and 18 cents.

Makes the Dreamstime Level Zero stuff look pretty good.   :P

But not if it's a collage.  For that you have to divide the sales price by the number of images in that collage to get your true RPI.  So an old 20 cent subscription for a four image collage will get you .05 cents (before taxes) :-\ per image.  Hardly fair.  Microstock seems to have a similar relationship as that of a toilet the Coriolis effect.

velocicarpo

« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 20:00 »
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Dreamstime has the worst strategy right now.
- They approve crappy iamges from Noobs.
- They reject GOOD and professional work just because of one or two different angles.
- Their commission is going DOWN. Sometimes I jsut get a couple of cents for a sale.
- NO WAY to take a Agency like that for serious. W
- I VERY oftenly sell various images of one series (not only on DT), obviously there is a demand. They are screwing their own market.

We should not supply professional work to an Agency which is not driven professionaly!

« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2011, 20:18 »
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They are screwing their own market.

exactly, they are going MICRO MICRO MICRO, they are offering buyer these collages and in a few time they will want only that pics..  I love smart guys, they seem to have a lot there

or we have collages or we have ONE picture of the subject

« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 05:17 »
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I find it kind of strange that folks who refer to themselves as professional seem to be blaming crappy images from noobs for getting rejections from sites instead of looking at their own work.  Seriously, any professional in any market place has to know what his customer is looking for and go and meet THAT demand, not the demand he feels that the customer SHOULD have and, make no mistake, in this case DT is the customer and calls the shots whatever any of us think of that.  To take the example of spices, there are 22.5 K images there already every spice known to man in every combination from every angle why would they wish to clutter up the site with 20 more of the same in a single submission? No buyer going there for such an image is going to go away empty handed.  At least theyre giving the option to make a collage to make the submission a little different or to submit 1 or 2 instead of rejecting them all out of hand.  The choices appear to be:

   Do something different;
   Do collages (if you can be bothered seems like too much work for too little return to me);
   Submit where the collection will be accepted.

lagereek

« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 05:33 »
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Yeah but there are lots of noobs here right now, too many for my liking, why dont they just bugger off to the DPR, forum or something,  they never wash and they smell a bit,  dont know why, but they do and OH! their images smell as well. Pugh!

« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2011, 06:59 »
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Yeah but there are lots of noobs here right now, too many for my liking, why dont they just bugger off to the DPR, forum or something,  they never wash and they smell a bit,  dont know why, but they do and OH! their images smell as well. Pugh!

Not so.  I change my socks as soon as I can lean them against the wall - not one minute longer  ;D

« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2011, 07:25 »
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Seriously, any professional in any market place has to know what his customer is looking for and go and meet THAT demand, not the demand he feels that the customer SHOULD have and, make no mistake, in this case Dreamstime is the customer and calls the shots whatever any of us think of that.

No, Dreamstime is NOT "the customer", they aren't the ones paying for the images. They only have a somewhat warped idea about what the customers want (for example rejecting some perfectly good shots that sell like hotcakes on other sites).

They don't even seem to understand why someone would want to choose between a vertical or horizontal image of the same subject.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 07:27 by Perry »

velocicarpo

« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2011, 09:30 »
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I find it kind of strange that folks who refer to themselves as professional seem to be blaming crappy images from noobs for getting rejections from sites instead of looking at their own work.  Seriously, any professional in any market place has to know what his customer is looking for and go and meet THAT demand, not the demand he feels that the customer SHOULD have and, make no mistake, in this case Dreamstime is the customer and calls the shots whatever any of us think of that.  To take the example of spices, there are 22.5 K images there already every spice known to man in every combination from every angle why would they wish to clutter up the site with 20 more of the same in a single submission? No buyer going there for such an image is going to go away empty handed.  At least theyre giving the option to make a collage to make the submission a little different or to submit 1 or 2 instead of rejecting them all out of hand.  The choices appear to be:

   Do something different;
   Do collages (if you can be bothered seems like too much work for too little return to me);
   Submit where the collection will be accepted.

With all my respect. I am in the Market since 2004 and a Fulltimer since 2006. It took me alot of time to develop my current level of quality and quantity. If you look at the recently approved images on Dreamstime you see VERY low quality stuff, especially when it comes to 3D. The Problem is more that Dreamstime does not seem to understand their own market quiet well. If you can`t see this I am very sorry for you...
« Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 09:32 by velocicarpo »

« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2011, 10:03 »
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I find it kind of strange that folks who refer to themselves as professional seem to be blaming crappy images from noobs for getting rejections from sites instead of looking at their own work.  Seriously, any professional in any market place has to know what his customer is looking for and go and meet THAT demand, not the demand he feels that the customer SHOULD have and, make no mistake, in this case Dreamstime is the customer and calls the shots whatever any of us think of that.  To take the example of spices, there are 22.5 K images there already every spice known to man in every combination from every angle why would they wish to clutter up the site with 20 more of the same in a single submission? No buyer going there for such an image is going to go away empty handed.  At least theyre giving the option to make a collage to make the submission a little different or to submit 1 or 2 instead of rejecting them all out of hand.  The choices appear to be:

   Do something different;
   Do collages (if you can be bothered seems like too much work for too little return to me);
   Submit where the collection will be accepted.

you are SO RIGHT! thanks a lot  ;D

« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2011, 10:13 »
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This collages business really rubs me the wrong way.  I don't mind the idea, but I do belive they command a greater perceived value.  Certainly more than a common sub.  They should really be priced specially - somewhat like Vetta. 

The biggest concern is that if collages become expected by the customer for rock bottom prices, certain artists will specialize in them, get all the downloads and those us us with professional ethics will evaporate.

« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2011, 10:24 »
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A commercial arrangement / contract exists between the contributor and DT and between DT and the eventual downloader of the image.  There is no such relationship between the contributor and the downloader.  The customer pays a fee to DT and DT give you a small cut of this i.e. they are paying you.  Therefore, in any meaningful sense, DT is your customer (actually the payment arrangement seems more like an employer / employee relationship).  Now, as pointed out in another thread, the rejected images may sell like hotcakes elsewhere but, most likely, instead of, rather than in addition to, other images already there, so you feel the loss - but they dont.  Ive seen nothing to indicate the guys running these sites are stupid so if they wont accept both landscape & portrait its from choice rather than ignorance possibly with reference to the supply already available.
velocicarpo
Im around long enough to know that with respect means the opposite :-D  Ive have absolutely no reason to doubt what you say if youre actually making a living doing this you must be pretty good.  However, this is a matter of commerce, not photography / 3D/ illustration.  Do you actually think ANY commercial organisation actually gives a rats ass about quality as long as they are moving product?  Have you seen the absolute crap that fills the TV schedules and music charts?  Do you really think cheap and cheerful stock photography is any different?
Pixart
Youre dead right 10, 20 images for the price of 1?  Talk about giving people enough rope....

« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2011, 11:57 »
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^^^DT are just an agency and accepting a landscape version but rejecting a portrait version is stupidity.  If reviewers were able to read the minds of buyers, it would be sensible but do you really think the poorly paid reviewers are capable of doing that?

I also think it's stupid to alienate your suppliers and that's exactly what DT have achieved with lots of us.  I don't expect them to accept everything I upload but when they reject something because they already have too many but I can't find anything similar doing a simple search, I know it's not worth my time uploading any more.

XPTO

« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2011, 13:11 »
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I think that the argument of already having a lot of similar images to reject new ones is just bullsh*t.

How can a micro agency reject a 21megapixel image, photographed with professional cameras, with professional lenses and studio lighting, because they have a thousand really awful images of a 3megapixel compact camera that haven't sold for years because they are technically crappy images?

It's beyond me, how new content, with incredibly better quality can be rejected with that logic.

If they deleted the useless, non-selling content, they would not only support the active members, but also improve the collection quality. Again, how can someone reject great professional images because the database is filled with worthless 3mp pictures.

I think there either must be some brain damaged people running some agencies, or they are geniuses and know something no one of us see.

lagereek

« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2011, 13:13 »
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Yeah but there are lots of noobs here right now, too many for my liking, why dont they just bugger off to the DPR, forum or something,  they never wash and they smell a bit,  dont know why, but they do and OH! their images smell as well. Pugh!

Not so.  I change my socks as soon as I can lean them against the wall - not one minute longer  ;D

Thats a good one! ;)

velocicarpo

« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2011, 13:38 »
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I think that the argument of already having a lot of similar images to reject new ones is just bullsh*t.

How can a micro agency reject a 21megapixel image, photographed with professional cameras, with professional lenses and studio lighting, because they have a thousand really awful images of a 3megapixel compact camera that haven't sold for years because they are technically crappy images?

It's beyond me, how new content, with incredibly better quality can be rejected with that logic.

If they deleted the useless, non-selling content, they would not only support the active members, but also improve the collection quality. Again, how can someone reject great professional images because the database is filled with worthless 3mp pictures.

I think there either must be some brain damaged people running some agencies, or they are geniuses and know something no one of us see.

Exactly. If it was for me, they should:

- Delete every image with 0 downloads after 3 years.
- Delete every image with 1 download after 4 years.
- Delete every image with less than 5 downloads after 5 years.
- ...... with less tha 10 downloads after 6 years.

I is NOT about if the image still ahs a chance to get downlaoded. Every image always has a chance. It is more about rewarding active contributors and keep the database fresh...

« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2011, 15:26 »
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- Delete every image with 0 downloads after 3 years.
- Delete every image with 1 download after 4 years.
- Delete every image with less than 5 downloads after 5 years.
- ...... with less tha 10 downloads after 6 years.

Those figures seems about right. Maybe I would remove the last row (10dl/6 yrs.), but otherwise your system does sound reasonable.

« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2011, 15:38 »
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The idea of collages does rub me the wrong way too. Maybe they'd prefer cubist photos with all angles covered.

Unless server space is too expensive for them though, they ought to just put something in the algorythm that pushes old low sellers back. It is a little annoying when they reject something for too similar and you can't find anything similar when you search.

Still, it is their sandbox so they get to set the rules (and we get to complain about them here).

Tempusfugit

« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2011, 13:58 »
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« Last Edit: July 20, 2011, 11:41 by Tempusfugit »


 

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