Author Topic: DT is going to partner with MySpace (Read 8523 times)

timburton · « **Reply #50 on:** July 01, 2009, 23:38 »

interesting news

Phil · « **Reply #51 on:** July 02, 2009, 00:22 »

I asked again in dt forums and Achilles answered that we would have to ask Myspace where it is and that it is not available as yet to all users.

Achilles · « **Reply #52 on:** July 02, 2009, 03:37 »

Thanks Phil, I missed that question indeed.
@Madelaide: the price they pay, my post above mentions it. Price per card is around a few dollars (the exact value slightly varies due to currency, this deal is Europe-based). That includes print costs, mailing fees etc.
The royalty value is very good, as we've won this account whilst competing with the content leader for this industry (can't name it for obvious reasons). The diversity we provide made the difference, not the royalty, which stayed close to the one they initially charged.

Phil · « **Reply #54 on:** July 02, 2009, 06:26 »

Thankyou Achilles for coming back and answering questions. I too had missed the pricing in your previous post.

Sorry but $0.06 on a card worth a few dollars is between 2% and 3% commission. On pure principle I do not wish to be involved in any program that pays the artist 2-3%.

(You mentioned on DT forum that it is around 50% of DT's share if so then Dt get around $0.12 or 5%??. I dont feel this is high enough. I looked around and didnt find anywhere that paid less than 10% commission. zazzle is around $0.30 and greetingcarduniverse $0.56 on a $2.79 card (for small numbers drops as order size grows as the card price drops).

sorry seems extremely unimpressive. I also must say I dislike the way it was initially presented as well. It made me distrustful as soon as I saw it last week and feel it was used car sales tactics of smoke and mirrors to hide facts.

cthoman · « **Reply #55 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:35 »

Yeah, I just opted mine out as well. That does seem like a pretty low royalty and all the mystery around the program doesn't really help either. I'll wait until we get all the details and then make a decision instead of the other way around.

Phil · « **Reply #56 on:** July 02, 2009, 16:43 »

unfortunately it is opt out of all partner programs, and I dont know how to tell what this is worth. I have asked for the option to opt out of just this program but dont know what the chances will be.

Achilles · « **Reply #57 on:** July 03, 2009, 04:58 »

If you just compare the royalties to the end price, they are as you said.
But if you remove print costs + mailing taxes (making most of the sale), you will understand that the margin of the distributing partner is as low as ours.

If you compare this program with the P-EL license, the royalty is much higher. The fact that is a small figure shouldn't worry anyone that knows what microstock is about. Volume is key in such partnerships. Overall, the stock industry has a few million buyers. This new program targets hundreds of millions of users. It's the long tail that defines such partnerships and what brought Dreamstime where it currently is.
But of course, no one is forced to participate in such programs. It's up to you to opt-out should you wish to.

To answer your question on Dreamstime's share, I confirm that Dreamstime makes the same as the photographer (for non exclusives) and less (for exclusives).

And in regards to its mistery, I can't see where that is. I've answered all your questions, isn't that so?

Phil · « **Reply #58 on:** July 03, 2009, 07:02 »

Hi, once again thankyou Achilles.

I didnt wish to imply you were being dishonest when saying artist is getting 50% of DT's share. rereading my post I see it comes across this way and for that I apologise.

re Mystery - it isnt possible to find except for certain people, searching myspace turned up nothing. The way it was presented was in comparison to the p-el licence but little actual figures. (and I missed the sale price your previous post here)

Personally I would have been happier if it was presented along the lines we have created a partner program with myspace etc Dreamstime gets 5% of the sale of which artists get 50% which is $0.06, we would have liked more but this is high volume sales etc. But you know your artists better than I and maybe I am in the minority for rather having it this way (I've come across a number of bad deals at artists expense in past 6-12 months (not by DT

and maybe I am just getting sensitive to how things are presented)

I think it is disapointing how little DT managed to get when comparing to similar priced cards, but thats easy to say when you are not part of the negotiations

Anyway I will wait and see how it turns out.

thanks again
Phil

cthoman · « **Reply #59 on:** July 03, 2009, 09:08 »

I didn't mean to be insulting either and I definitely appreciate the time you take to answer our questions. As far as the mystery, I think Phil covered that. I was really hoping to see the program in action. Check it all out with my own eyes and maybe even order a card.

gaja · « **Reply #60 on:** July 03, 2009, 10:08 »

Thank you for providing the clear numbers. I don't think they are so bad, considering the price of postage and printing. I have never tried any of the other card printing buisnesses, but I kind of think comparing with those is like comparing micro and macro.

But hey, what do I know, I have none of these sales. Hoping to get some, though.

puravida · « **Reply #61 on:** July 03, 2009, 10:41 »

Quote from: Phil on July 02, 2009, 06:26

Thankyou Achilles for coming back and answering questions. I too had missed the pricing in your previous post.

Sorry but $0.06 on a card worth a few dollars is between 2% and 3% commission. On pure principle I do not wish to be involved in any program that pays the artist 2-3%.

(You mentioned on DT forum that it is around 50% of DT's share if so then Dt get around $0.12 or 5%??. I dont feel this is high enough. I looked around and didnt find anywhere that paid less than 10% commission. zazzle is around $0.30 and greetingcarduniverse $0.56 on a $2.79 card (for small numbers drops as order size grows as the card price drops).

sorry seems extremely unimpressive. I also must say I dislike the way it was initially presented as well. It made me distrustful as soon as I saw it last week and feel it was used car sales tactics of smoke and mirrors to hide facts.

What smoke and mirrors? We don't sell used car sales . You must mean the DT rank game, a good diversion , no? What next? Dating Services ? That will be cool ! We get credits to pick up women, or men instead of cash ! ( Outright sacarsm here Achilles!)