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« on: January 25, 2019, 03:13 »
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Hello, in which program edit videos for stock. I am now on Adobe After Effects. What are your experiences?


« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2019, 04:41 »
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After Effects is the slowest, but also capable of doing the most detailed work. I have done a lot of stock clips in AE but it's frustrating how slow it is.

If you're just doing clips with color correction and grading DaVinci Resolve is faster, and Premiere also. After Effects allows for the most control of every little detail.

If you're on Mac Final Cut Pro X is by far the fastest of them all. A 1 hour export in After Effects is about 10-15 minutes in Final Cut. With the same plug-ins.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2019, 04:45 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2019, 13:34 »
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I used Premiere to edit my clips and After Effects to color correct and do other stuff to them. My workflow is to import my clips from a shoot into Premiere, add them to a timeline and go through and edit that into the clips I plan to submit for stock. I then select all of the footage in the timeline and convert that into an After Effects project. In After Effects I'll take the comp with all of the footage and use a script that converts each shot into it's own comp. From there I go through each of the comps and do whatever color correction or other things I want to do with the shot. Then render all of the comps out and submit to the different stock footage sites.

 

« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2019, 11:43 »
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AE all the way for me.  I'm always covering up logos or license plates, and that would be mind-numbing work in PPre.

« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2019, 10:46 »
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They both have the job done but if i may, I suggest Premiere as an actual non linear editing program and it might be useful in the future to know how to work with it. But if you master AE and obviously have a computer that can handle working there, why not? It it your choise :)


« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2019, 06:17 »
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For the very fine and specific work, Ae is an unparalleled tool.  "If you can think it, you can do it with After Effects." ;-)

While I do love what I can do with After Effects, my biggest concern is that it is so painfully slow. Any idea if the code will ever be updated? I realize this might never happen and would require writing a completely new application, but one can dream...

I speed up footage all the time, and with that comes adding motion blur. I export the same clip, with pretty much identical looking motion blur 20 times faster in FCP X. Yes, twenty times. That difference is just beyond reason.

Is AE just painfully unoptimized on Mac, and that's not a priority perhaps? Could be. But a 20x difference in export time is just beyond imagination.  ;)

Rant over. I love AE. But I do also have to finish clips faster than 2 hours sometimes.

« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2019, 15:48 »
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Generally speaking, I tend to use AE for individual clips and Premiere when I am putting together several clips to make a short movie.
But I agree with everybody here: there is a lot of overlapping, in other worlds situations when you could use both of them.
I also agree with other posters: AE can be painfully slow, but I still love it

« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2019, 01:17 »
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For the very fine and specific work, Ae is an unparalleled tool.  "If you can think it, you can do it with After Effects." ;-)

While I do love what I can do with After Effects, my biggest concern is that it is so painfully slow. Any idea if the code will ever be updated? I realize this might never happen and would require writing a completely new application, but one can dream...

I speed up footage all the time, and with that comes adding motion blur. I export the same clip, with pretty much identical looking motion blur 20 times faster in FCP X. Yes, twenty times. That difference is just beyond reason.

Is AE just painfully unoptimized on Mac, and that's not a priority perhaps? Could be. But a 20x difference in export time is just beyond imagination.  ;)

Rant over. I love AE. But I do also have to finish clips faster than 2 hours sometimes.

Well, we could share a few beers and probably just scratch the surface of such a complex topic...  There's no way I can adequately answer this either via a forum post or via in person.  However, I will say this:

1) We've been working on speeding up an unspeedable application for the last several years and have made good progress.  That's the key - Ae by design is "import anything, do anything to it, export any format."  Because of that, it's impossible to make it 'real-time' like an NLE - simply impossible
2) Our investments into improving ram preview, speculative rendering, taking more effects to GPU, etc. have yielded fruit
3) You can count on us to continue to improve and speed up Ae.  Now if only we wouldn't leave HD, no 4k, no 8k, ummmm...  This is part of the problem too - frame sizes have exploded in the last 10-15 years with no end in sight.

I know this is probably just lip service, but please know that we're sincerely always focused on trying to improve performance for a plurality of users.

Hope this helps,
Dennis

« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2019, 13:33 »
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My goal is to import a bunch of clips, cut their length, and do color correction.

I've use AE before for this, but the mere headache of importing a folder full of 4k and trying to make proxies for them so I can see them at speed has forced me over to Premiere, where at least the ingest function will do that automatically.  I can't believe AE can't do something so basic.

« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 11:49 »
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My goal is to import a bunch of clips, cut their length, and do color correction.

I've use AE before for this, but the mere headache of importing a folder full of 4k and trying to make proxies for them so I can see them at speed has forced me over to Premiere, where at least the ingest function will do that automatically.  I can't believe AE can't do something so basic.

This is because your use case is designed for Premiere Pro and not Ae.  After Effects is primarily for two basic kinds of work 1) Motion Graphics design 2) Visual FX.  Your workflow is definitely designed for Premiere Pro.  Be sure to check out the Lumetri color workflow.

Dennis

« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 18:17 »
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The other wrench is that I cant queue up clips in AME.  I queue them up and AME randomly decides to output the same file for different jobs.  Could be one, could be five.  So I have to sit there and output them one by one in PP.

« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2019, 09:25 »
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The other wrench is that I cant queue up clips in AME.  I queue them up and AME randomly decides to output the same file for different jobs.  Could be one, could be five.  So I have to sit there and output them one by one in PP.

Best thing to do is trash your preferences and that should clean it up

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2126506

« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2019, 21:59 »
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My goal is to import a bunch of clips, cut their length, and do color correction.

I've use AE before for this, but the mere headache of importing a folder full of 4k and trying to make proxies for them so I can see them at speed has forced me over to Premiere, where at least the ingest function will do that automatically.  I can't believe AE can't do something so basic.

This is because your use case is designed for Premiere Pro and not Ae.  After Effects is primarily for two basic kinds of work 1) Motion Graphics design 2) Visual FX.  Your workflow is definitely designed for Premiere Pro.  Be sure to check out the Lumetri color workflow.

Dennis
I think I've been making this mistake as well. My flow is loading multiple videos, cutting them, stabilizing, color correction and grading and then using AME to export. Would this end up working better on premier as well?

Second, have an issue with the warp stabilizer. I leave it for encoding overnight, however i have to ensure the warp stabilizer has run before i drag drop them into AME otherwise that stabilization blue bar gets encoded into the video. Is there a way to set this up better so that i don't have to sit through the stabilization process.

« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2019, 07:32 »
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Gave Premiere a shot, it has its challenges but i love the fact that i can play my clips in a non RAM preview sort of way. Seems to render really fast as well. Guess I'll need to learn this a little better now

« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 11:24 »
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Gave Premiere a shot, it has its challenges but i love the fact that i can play my clips in a non RAM preview sort of way. Seems to render really fast as well. Guess I'll need to learn this a little better now

And there is a warp stabilizer effect to help create stabilized content when there is no tripod. ;-) Glad you found Premiere Pro accessible.

Dennis


 

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