Author Topic: 4K live on Adobe Stock (Read 29530 times)

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2016, 11:42 »

So, is it OK to upload 4k versions of already accepted HD or UHD clips?

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spike · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2016, 16:11 »

Quote from: MatHayward on February 04, 2016, 11:38

Hi everyone,

We are pleased to announce that 4K video content is now available at Adobe Stock. 4K clips cost $199.99 and your commission rate is 35% (approximately 70 credits). Customers now have the option to purchase the 4K version of your clip for $199.99 or they can purchase the HD version for $79.99.

This is a great time to submit new content as we are working hard to get your work in front of the millions of creatives around the world using Adobe software. We are looking for 5-60 second clips. Details on technical specifications can be found here: https://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Files/Videos

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward
email: [email protected]

Nice!

One question - will you accept 4096x2304 - that's a common "real 4k" resolution (16:9 ratio) and all of my 4k work is in that resolution.

Freedom · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2016, 16:59 »

Hi Matt, I have signed up. Don't know how I can upload. Please help! Thanks!

Freedom · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2016, 21:03 »

Hi Matt, thanks for the reply.

I cannot connect to the server via ftp. Which port should I use?

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2016, 01:31 »

love action on this board...super pro... well that's Adobe!

Stkflvr · « **Reply #9 on:** February 05, 2016, 03:05 »

Thanks, Was waiting for this!

travelstock · « **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2016, 04:26 »

Quote from: MatHayward on February 04, 2016, 19:59

Quote from: spike on February 04, 2016, 16:11
Quote from: MatHayward on February 04, 2016, 11:38
Hi everyone,

We are pleased to announce that 4K video content is now available at Adobe Stock. 4K clips cost $199.99 and your commission rate is 35% (approximately 70 credits). Customers now have the option to purchase the 4K version of your clip for $199.99 or they can purchase the HD version for $79.99.

This is a great time to submit new content as we are working hard to get your work in front of the millions of creatives around the world using Adobe software. We are looking for 5-60 second clips. Details on technical specifications can be found here: https://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Files/Videos

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward
email: [email protected]

Nice!

One question - will you accept 4096x2304 - that's a common "real 4k" resolution (16:9 ratio) and all of my 4k work is in that resolution.

@Spike,

Upload specifications for video content can be read here: https://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Files/Videos

Notes specific to resolution are

"- 4K DCI (4096x2160), UHD TV (3840x2160) and Full HD (1920x1080) are preferred
- Minimum resolution: 1280x720
- Avoid as much as possible to submit files with non-standard resolution
- Don't submit files with vertical/square framing "

-Mat

I think most people can read the page.

The question was presumably because the page doesn't answer the questions that anybody shooting video will have. That page gives preferred specifications - I think the question was whether you accept 4096x2304 - for many the answer will mean the difference between contributing and not. Also the "preferred" codec - h264 is really a consumer codec that many won't use either - do you also accept any better editing codecs?

Are you creating 1080 versions of any 4K clips that are uploaded?

Is the Minimum on this page - https://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Royalties/Videos - the minimum price or the minimum commission? Is the 35% really a percentage of the actual sale price or a percentage of a re-calculated fictional Fotolia-land price that works out to much less as was the case previously?

There's many video contributors that don't submit to Fotolia due to how dismal they've been in treating contributors in past, a little bit of certainty about these things wouldn't hurt before going through the application process.

ogm · « **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2016, 05:54 »

Hi Mat,

Sorry, but I didn't found a standard price for 4K and UHD on the site! There is only price for extended licence - 200 credits, which is the same like HD resolution! Do you mean that the 4K will be available only extended with the same price as HD?

Also, there is no filter for 4K and UHD and I couldn't found my files through the search engine!

stockVid · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2016, 06:42 »

I just sold a 4K and I received a $17.50 commission.
There's is a new 'Subscription Video 4K' option.

$17.50 for a 4K clip is a new low.

If this isn't changed I'm deleting my port.

rene · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2016, 07:26 »

Quote from: MatHayward on February 04, 2016, 11:38

Hi everyone,

We are pleased to announce that 4K video content is now available at Adobe Stock. 4K clips cost $199.99 and your commission rate is 35% (approximately 70 credits). Customers now have the option to purchase the 4K version of your clip for $199.99 or they can purchase the HD version for $79.99.

This is a great time to submit new content as we are working hard to get your work in front of the millions of creatives around the world using Adobe software. We are looking for 5-60 second clips. Details on technical specifications can be found here: https://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Files/Videos

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward
email: [email protected]

Mat, seems you have forgotten to communicate on subscriptions, which are probably majority of sales.

cobalt · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2016, 09:56 »

Please give us an update on what your subscription prices will be. And if they are really that low, please give us an opt out.

You know it is much better if we hear it straight from you. Otherwise, this looks like a trick invitation, the illusion of 70 credits while the real sales are subs...

We have done this dance before, let´s avoid problems before they start...please...

Adobe doesn´t want to have Fotolia´s old reputation, right?

stockmn · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2016, 11:27 »

If video is being sold on a subscription I'll have to stop uploading. That's why I stopped uploading video to fotolia years ago.

Another concern is an extended license is being included at the $199 price! Shutterstock sold a clip for me last month where my take was $180! You don't have to give all the additional rights away. Extended rights should be an added cost on top of the $199 price.

Giving extended rights along with the price of a 4k clip is essentially a price cut! Please don't do it.

spike · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2016, 12:23 »

Quote from: MatHayward on February 04, 2016, 19:59

Quote from: spike on February 04, 2016, 16:11
Quote from: MatHayward on February 04, 2016, 11:38
Hi everyone,

We are pleased to announce that 4K video content is now available at Adobe Stock. 4K clips cost $199.99 and your commission rate is 35% (approximately 70 credits). Customers now have the option to purchase the 4K version of your clip for $199.99 or they can purchase the HD version for $79.99.

This is a great time to submit new content as we are working hard to get your work in front of the millions of creatives around the world using Adobe software. We are looking for 5-60 second clips. Details on technical specifications can be found here: https://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Files/Videos

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward
email: [email protected]

Nice!

One question - will you accept 4096x2304 - that's a common "real 4k" resolution (16:9 ratio) and all of my 4k work is in that resolution.

@Spike,

Upload specifications for video content can be read here: https://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Files/Videos

Notes specific to resolution are

"- 4K DCI (4096x2160), UHD TV (3840x2160) and Full HD (1920x1080) are preferred
- Minimum resolution: 1280x720
- Avoid as much as possible to submit files with non-standard resolution
- Don't submit files with vertical/square framing "

-Mat

I've seen the page, that's why I'm asking if you will accept 4096x2304 or not? I don't plan to transcode my entire library just for this. So that's a very specific question which needs a very specific answer.

Also, what's up with subscriptions? Is it true that contributors get as low as 17.50 credits for a 4k clip? If so, count me out.

gcrook · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2016, 14:12 »

I can see my 2304p clips on ft and adobestock but i have no idea whether this format is properly supported from a technical standpoint.
FT displays them, so does adobestock, but adobe converts clips (and downconverts? ) and i have no guarantee that the h264 conversion will be technically sound for 2304p files.
After all you either support a resolution, or you dont, and you support that decision from your end,in between a lot can go wrong or perhaps nothing at all (by sheer luck) , but that's hardly professional.

Also i would like to point out that regarding fotolia i was told by some of your staff months ago that the encoder would be improved and the previews would load and display properly,but it doesnt seem to be the case yet.
Doesn't fotolia think that being able to display video in it's intended framerate is paramount to a business aspiring to sell video to a professional audience?
These are VERY basic stuff here and these problems dont exist anywhere on the net since a decade ago let alone a professional agency that sells media.

And what about the 4K subscription price someone mentioned?Is that really happening?As far as i know (and looked) i couldn't find subscription credits or any other deals regarding 4K video or video in general.
Maybe that 17.50usd was a downconverted 720p sale or a reduced commission (due to foreign tax holding) for a 1080p clip?

cobalt · « **Reply #19 on:** February 05, 2016, 14:35 »

Hi Mat,

thanks for the quick reply, I really appreciate it.

We are all tired of second guessing what the agencies are really planning to do with our content, we had so many bad experiences.

So, I´ll upload with confidence

Noedelhap · « **Reply #20 on:** February 05, 2016, 19:40 »

Quote from: MatHayward on February 05, 2016, 14:21

4K clips are only available through Extended licenses at Fotolia right now. I will let you know if that changes.

-Mat

This is something that should be adressed as soon as possible! I've uploaded 4K with the idea that it would be offered as a downsized-to-HD clip at Fotolia. The Extended License should be HD as well, instead of 4K, if the price is "only" 200 credits, aka the same price as a 4K with a standard license!
You could then offer a separate option of buying a 4k without extended rights for 200 credits and a 4K with extended rights for, say, 500 credits.

Please look into this ASAP, because now you're giving away too much rights basically for free.

Freedom · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2016, 23:01 »

Mat, thank you very much for your help!

I have more questions if you or anyone can help me with:

1. If I make some video clips exclusive, what are the advantages?

2. Does FT accept editorial video clips? If not, if the clip is the skyline of a major city such as New York City, where some buildings contain corporate logos, will FT accept it as RF without property release?

Thanks again!

Stkflvr · « **Reply #22 on:** February 05, 2016, 23:26 »

Thanks for the clarification MatHayward!

kunilanskap · « **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2016, 18:12 »

I always failed sending 4K video via FTP

Harvepino · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2016, 06:28 »

Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12

I always failed sending 4K video via FTP

My 4K videos are uploaded ok, but than they are occasionally declined because of "upload problem". It would be good to know about any upload problems earlier, so that we can reupload before the files are reviewed.

cobalt · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2016, 14:31 »

The new system that reads all IPTC data makes it really easy to upload files. Thank you very much! Also the acceptance speed is unbelievable.

Looking forward to the sales!

click_click · « **Reply #26 on:** February 10, 2016, 14:59 »

Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12

I always failed sending 4K video via FTP

I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.

gcrook · « **Reply #27 on:** February 10, 2016, 15:09 »

Quote from: click_click on February 10, 2016, 14:59

Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12
I always failed sending 4K video via FTP
I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.

Same thing here.Someone reported that his 2160p prores clips are displaying properly, but mine are not, so i upload as mjpeg both 2160p and 2304p.Same applies for 1080p prores clips so it's not the resolution
The only thing left to ask since support hasn't got the slightest idea about how their site works is, are your prores clips encoded on a windows or on an apple machine?

click_click · « **Reply #28 on:** February 10, 2016, 15:41 »

Quote from: gcrook on February 10, 2016, 15:09

Quote from: click_click on February 10, 2016, 14:59
Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12
I always failed sending 4K video via FTP
I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.

Same thing here.Someone reported that his 2160p prores clips are displaying properly, but mine are not, so i upload as mjpeg both 2160p and 2304p.Same applies for 1080p prores clips so it's not the resolution
The only thing left to ask since support hasn't got the slightest idea about how their site works is, are your prores clips encoded on a windows or on an apple machine?

Out of curiosity: Are you rendering the clips on a Mac or PC? Mine are rendered on a PC.

gcrook · « **Reply #29 on:** February 10, 2016, 16:14 »

Pc as well.But that has been my workflow for all stock agencies for some time now plus production houses and broadcast and never was there a complaint or a qc fail.

spike · « **Reply #30 on:** February 10, 2016, 17:29 »

Quote from: Freedom on February 05, 2016, 23:01

Does FT accept editorial video clips?

Also interested about this one. Mat, could you let us know if FT/Adobe Stock accepts editorial footage?

gcrook · « **Reply #31 on:** February 10, 2016, 17:38 »

If i was Mat and felt like cracking a joke (which people should do now and then) i would answer "Yes but only in prores 4K" .

stockVid · « **Reply #32 on:** February 10, 2016, 18:42 »

Quote from: click_click on February 10, 2016, 14:59

Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12
I always failed sending 4K video via FTP
I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.

I think you'll find the problem is because you encoded on a PC.

It is not possible to encode a 'true' ProRes on a PC.

I researched this for several weeks trying to upload ProRes to Getty. FFMPEG etc. are a problem. Although you may have limited success with very small files (less than 1GB).

I ended up getting a used MAC on ebay and have not had a problem since. Purchase 'Compressor' from the Apple Store ($49) and batch process all your files.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #34 on:** February 10, 2016, 19:59 »

Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 18:42

Quote from: click_click on February 10, 2016, 14:59
Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12
I always failed sending 4K video via FTP
I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.

I think you'll find the problem is because you encoded on a PC.

It is not possible to encode a 'true' ProRes on a PC.

I researched this for several weeks trying to upload ProRes to Getty. FFMPEG etc. are a problem. Although you may have limited success with very small files (less than 1GB).

I ended up getting a used MAC on ebay and have not had a problem since. Purchase 'Compressor' from the Apple Store ($49) and batch process all your files.

This is not really true. I use LRTimelapse on a PC and I get huge, perfectly fine, 4K ProRes files (>8GB, ~40s) when I encode the sequence at Ultrahigh quality.

stockVid · « **Reply #35 on:** February 10, 2016, 22:05 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 10, 2016, 19:59

Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 18:42
Quote from: click_click on February 10, 2016, 14:59
Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12
I always failed sending 4K video via FTP
I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.

I think you'll find the problem is because you encoded on a PC.

It is not possible to encode a 'true' ProRes on a PC.

I researched this for several weeks trying to upload ProRes to Getty. FFMPEG etc. are a problem. Although you may have limited success with very small files (less than 1GB).

I ended up getting a used MAC on ebay and have not had a problem since. Purchase 'Compressor' from the Apple Store ($49) and batch process all your files.

This is not really true. I use LRTimelapse on a PC and I get huge, perfectly fine, 4K ProRes files (>8GB, ~40s) when I encode the sequence at Ultrahigh quality.

Yes you can create great ProRes clips with FFMpeg and LRTimelapse and they will look and playback great. However, they will not contain the correct Apple header information. This can only be added by a MAC.

Have you tried uploading your ProRes to the Getty ESP system? - You will get an error.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #36 on:** February 10, 2016, 22:22 »

Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 22:05

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 10, 2016, 19:59
Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 18:42
Quote from: click_click on February 10, 2016, 14:59
Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12
I always failed sending 4K video via FTP
I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.

I think you'll find the problem is because you encoded on a PC.

It is not possible to encode a 'true' ProRes on a PC.

I researched this for several weeks trying to upload ProRes to Getty. FFMPEG etc. are a problem. Although you may have limited success with very small files (less than 1GB).

I ended up getting a used MAC on ebay and have not had a problem since. Purchase 'Compressor' from the Apple Store ($49) and batch process all your files.

This is not really true. I use LRTimelapse on a PC and I get huge, perfectly fine, 4K ProRes files (>8GB, ~40s) when I encode the sequence at Ultrahigh quality.

Yes you can create great ProRes clips with FFMpeg and LRTimelapse and they will look and playback great. However, they will not contain the correct Apple header information. This can only be added by a MAC.

Have you tried uploading your ProRes to the Getty ESP system? - You will get an error.

I don't upload video to iStock, anymore. Their commission is an insult.

You might be right about the header, however my PC created ProRes clips are fine for Shutterstock.

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stockVid · « **Reply #37 on:** February 10, 2016, 23:01 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 10, 2016, 22:22

Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 22:05
Quote from: Zero Talent on February 10, 2016, 19:59
Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 18:42
Quote from: click_click on February 10, 2016, 14:59
Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12
I always failed sending 4K video via FTP
I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.

I think you'll find the problem is because you encoded on a PC.

It is not possible to encode a 'true' ProRes on a PC.

I researched this for several weeks trying to upload ProRes to Getty. FFMPEG etc. are a problem. Although you may have limited success with very small files (less than 1GB).

I ended up getting a used MAC on ebay and have not had a problem since. Purchase 'Compressor' from the Apple Store ($49) and batch process all your files.

This is not really true. I use LRTimelapse on a PC and I get huge, perfectly fine, 4K ProRes files (>8GB, ~40s) when I encode the sequence at Ultrahigh quality.

Yes you can create great ProRes clips with FFMpeg and LRTimelapse and they will look and playback great. However, they will not contain the correct Apple header information. This can only be added by a MAC.

Have you tried uploading your ProRes to the Getty ESP system? - You will get an error.
I don't upload video to iStock, anymore. Their commission is an insult.

You might be right about the header, however my PC created ProRes clips are fine for Shutterstock.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

I don't upload to iStock but I do upload to Getty. It took a considerable effort getting the ProRes correct.

The last I heard on the Getty forum was that someone had written a script that could rewrite the FFMpeg header info to the ProRes clip correctly. Basically tricking systems into thinking it was produced on a MAC.

click_click · « **Reply #38 on:** February 11, 2016, 04:43 »

Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 23:01

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 10, 2016, 22:22
Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 22:05
Quote from: Zero Talent on February 10, 2016, 19:59
Quote from: stockVid on February 10, 2016, 18:42
Quote from: click_click on February 10, 2016, 14:59
Quote from: kunilanskap on February 09, 2016, 18:12
I always failed sending 4K video via FTP
I stopped uploading 4K ProRes files as the previews are not encoded properly. Instead you see strange artifacts at the first few frames.
I think you'll find the problem is because you encoded on a PC.

It is not possible to encode a 'true' ProRes on a PC.

I researched this for several weeks trying to upload ProRes to Getty. FFMPEG etc. are a problem. Although you may have limited success with very small files (less than 1GB).

I ended up getting a used MAC on ebay and have not had a problem since. Purchase 'Compressor' from the Apple Store ($49) and batch process all your files.

This is not really true. I use LRTimelapse on a PC and I get huge, perfectly fine, 4K ProRes files (>8GB, ~40s) when I encode the sequence at Ultrahigh quality.

Yes you can create great ProRes clips with FFMpeg and LRTimelapse and they will look and playback great. However, they will not contain the correct Apple header information. This can only be added by a MAC.

Have you tried uploading your ProRes to the Getty ESP system? - You will get an error.
I don't upload video to iStock, anymore. Their commission is an insult.

You might be right about the header, however my PC created ProRes clips are fine for Shutterstock.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

I don't upload to iStock but I do upload to Getty. It took a considerable effort getting the ProRes correct.

The last I heard on the Getty forum was that someone had written a script that could rewrite the FFMpeg header info to the ProRes clip correctly. Basically tricking systems into thinking it was produced on a MAC.

I'm using FFMpeg to render the ProRes clips on my PC and I only have issues with Fotolia's preview generator.

Maybe even the full resolution files are ok but no point in showcasing a broken preview... So I send them Photo-JPG movs.

Some agencies (not IS/Getty) confirmed to me that PC rendered ProRes files are no problem. And since I have no plans to upload any footage to iStock I stay with my system.

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