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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2017, 05:19 »
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Editorial??  well Alamy have got billions of that. Whats the point of saturating, flooding the market even more?  I'm out of Adobe!  they should stick to what they do best, programs and softwares!

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Alamy does not compare directly to micro agencies since they accept EVERYTHING that's in focus and without dust spots, and Micro curates their collection, although not as tightly as before. Price points are also different with Alamy having a much higher average sale value, even if that has dramatically decreased in the last years.

Plus, I cannot see how Adobe would saturate the market by simply accepting editorial content already available everywhere else. After all their Commercial collection is nothing more than a replication of the same images seen at all other major agencies. What difference would it make to add an editorial section?

What I am certain is that Adobe is losing a lot of clients that also need Editorial content and go to other agencies where all of their needs are satisfied. After all why would a designer that needs editorial content stay with Adobe if they can find the same Commercial content, plus the Editorial one elsewhere?

Considering that Adobe is on the rise this would be a great move.

BTW, stop the over-inflated drama.


« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2017, 06:30 »
+6
Everything begin like this in any agency...some year of good motivation and pink glasses...then come the partnership and cut royalty in half....then come  lower price to attract more buyera...then come the cut of royalty to keep up with competition. Seen already in many places.

« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2017, 06:32 »
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Editorial??  well Alamy have got billions of that. Whats the point of saturating, flooding the market even more?  I'm out of Adobe!  they should stick to what they do best, programs and softwares!

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Alamy does not compare directly to micro agencies since they accept EVERYTHING that's in focus and without dust spots, and Micro curates their collection, although not as tightly as before. Price points are also different with Alamy having a much higher average sale value, even if that has dramatically decreased in the last years.

Plus, I cannot see how Adobe would saturate the market by simply accepting editorial content already available everywhere else. After all their Commercial collection is nothing more than a replication of the same images seen at all other major agencies. What difference would it make to add an editorial section?

What I am certain is that Adobe is losing a lot of clients that also need Editorial content and go to other agencies where all of their needs are satisfied. After all why would a designer that needs editorial content stay with Adobe if they can find the same Commercial content, plus the Editorial one elsewhere?

Considering that Adobe is on the rise this would be a great move.


On ten rise? I doubt.

BTW, stop the over-inflated drama.

« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2017, 06:49 »
+7
Adobe is playing a good game here, I for one am happy to support them with my video/photo. Keep in mind they are the 800lb. Gorilla not Getty! They treat the artist much better then Getty!!! and they will continue to grow. I love seeing these deals as buyers will go where the content is. I haven't been yanked around on my commissions there and the site is fast and clean with good search results.

« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2017, 06:55 »
+2
Adobe is playing a good game here, I for one am happy to support them with my video/photo. Keep in mind they are the 800lb. Gorilla not Getty! They treat the artist much better then Getty!!! and they will continue to grow. I love seeing these deals as buyers will go where the content is. I haven't been yanked around on my commissions there and the site is fast and clean with good search results.
sure but distributing files of a company who was born as anthisesis of micro stock is wrong both for stocksy contributor, i like stocksy agency, and fotolia contributor too.
everything is simply done to make more agency owner cash in more and more, and contributors less and less.

« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2017, 06:58 »
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Matt,
thanks for communicating with us, as usual.
I suppose both these partnerships only apply for still images and not for video, is this correct?

« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2017, 07:27 »
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Its not good news for me.....but credit to Matt for coming on here to tell us. Whether its good for adobe as far as I'm concerned is academic. But its hardly something hugely dramatic. I hope it doesn't slow any moves to get editorial on Abode...if they had this I'm sure they would be very close to being ahead of SS for me.

« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2017, 07:56 »
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On ten rise? I doubt.

Although I'm earning less than half of what I used to make in 2010, and hitting rock-bottom in 2013 (only 2007 was worse), the fact is that in 2016 I saw a rise of 55% when compared to 2014.

The truth is that since Adobe took over Fotolia I saw an immediate boost in sales and they have been steadily growing ever since. Even if I only send them a fraction of my photos and videos since they don't accept editorial.

« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2017, 08:05 »
+1
Everything begin like this in any agency...some year of good motivation and pink glasses...then come the partnership and cut royalty in half....then come  lower price to attract more buyera...then come the cut of royalty to keep up with competition. Seen already in many places.

I don't believe AS will fall this way.
There is main difference between Adobe and competitor agencies: sell mictostock is NOT Adobe core business.
They could simply pay contributors and give out images for free, just to give Adobe products customer a big service and advantage.
Software developmente is the core business for Adobe, so I don't believe they have any interest in lowering contributor rates and make them angry. Adobe simply don't need to make money with photos and videos.

This is only opinion of course, let's see what will happen.

« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2017, 08:50 »
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Stocksy is just one of a number of contributors to AS Premium.  We're really excited about it.
We've known about this for some time.  It was discussed extensively in our forums when the opportunity arose, and the terms and details got a very positive response from the contributor base.  We feel Adobe is a great company to partner with (especially given the options, lol). 


I assume when you say "we", you mean Stocksy members because I don't see the excitement elsewhere.
You probably know more details than we do about this partnership and contributors' (cooperators) commission. Probably they will not be payed with AS flat 33%.

Some people who really knows what stock is don't see AS contributors' future in such a bright light.

Of course, I wish all Stocksy colleagues much success.
It doesn't matter how well you know what stock is if you can't be unbiased.  Getty/istock exclusives are going to be biased.  They might still make some good points but you have to be able to separate them from the propaganda.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2017, 08:55 »
+1
Stocksy is just one of a number of contributors to AS Premium.  We're really excited about it.
We've known about this for some time.  It was discussed extensively in our forums when the opportunity arose, and the terms and details got a very positive response from the contributor base.  We feel Adobe is a great company to partner with (especially given the options, lol). 


I assume when you say "we", you mean Stocksy members because I don't see the excitement elsewhere.
You probably know more details than we do about this partnership and contributors' (cooperators) commission. Probably they will not be payed with AS flat 33%.

Some people who really knows what stock is don't see AS contributors' future in such a bright light.

Of course, I wish all Stocksy colleagues much success.
It doesn't matter how well you know what stock is if you can't be unbiased.  Getty/istock exclusives are going to be biased.  They might still make some good points but you have to be able to separate them from the propaganda.

Why introduce the concept of iS exclusives to this thread?

« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2017, 09:01 »
+4
Everything begin like this in any agency...some year of good motivation and pink glasses...then come the partnership and cut royalty in half....then come  lower price to attract more buyera...then come the cut of royalty to keep up with competition. Seen already in many places.

I don't believe AS will fall this way.
There is main difference between Adobe and competitor agencies: sell mictostock is NOT Adobe core business.
They could simply pay contributors and give out images for free, just to give Adobe products customer a big service and advantage.
Software developmente is the core business for Adobe, so I don't believe they have any interest in lowering contributor rates and make them angry. Adobe simply don't need to make money with photos and videos.

This is only opinion of course, let's see what will happen.
If it becomes harder to make profits from the software business, guess who they will be looking at taking money from.  If they really wanted to separate themselves from the other big microstock sites, they could pay us 50%.  Other smaller sites already do that and there's no reason why Adobe couldn't.  So I think they already need the money from microstock and there's a good chance they will want a bigger cut in the future.

« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2017, 09:05 »
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Stocksy is just one of a number of contributors to AS Premium.  We're really excited about it.
We've known about this for some time.  It was discussed extensively in our forums when the opportunity arose, and the terms and details got a very positive response from the contributor base.  We feel Adobe is a great company to partner with (especially given the options, lol). 


I assume when you say "we", you mean Stocksy members because I don't see the excitement elsewhere.
You probably know more details than we do about this partnership and contributors' (cooperators) commission. Probably they will not be payed with AS flat 33%.

Some people who really knows what stock is don't see AS contributors' future in such a bright light.

Of course, I wish all Stocksy colleagues much success.
It doesn't matter how well you know what stock is if you can't be unbiased.  Getty/istock exclusives are going to be biased.  They might still make some good points but you have to be able to separate them from the propaganda.

Why introduce the concept of iS exclusives to this thread?
Because he linked to an article about adobe stock by an iS exclusive and said "people who really knows what stock is".  I think it's worth pointing out that an article about adobe stock by someone who is exclusive with is/getty might not be unbiased.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2017, 09:53 »
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Stocksy is just one of a number of contributors to AS Premium.  We're really excited about it.
We've known about this for some time.  It was discussed extensively in our forums when the opportunity arose, and the terms and details got a very positive response from the contributor base.  We feel Adobe is a great company to partner with (especially given the options, lol). 


I assume when you say "we", you mean Stocksy members because I don't see the excitement elsewhere.
You probably know more details than we do about this partnership and contributors' (cooperators) commission. Probably they will not be payed with AS flat 33%.

Some people who really knows what stock is don't see AS contributors' future in such a bright light.

Of course, I wish all Stocksy colleagues much success.
It doesn't matter how well you know what stock is if you can't be unbiased.  Getty/istock exclusives are going to be biased.  They might still make some good points but you have to be able to separate them from the propaganda.

Why introduce the concept of iS exclusives to this thread?
Because he linked to an article about adobe stock by an iS exclusive and said "people who really knows what stock is".  I think it's worth pointing out that an article about adobe stock by someone who is exclusive with is/getty might not be unbiased.

Oh, fair enough. That Yuri article was indeed particularly bad.
As someone who is only uploading to Alamy nowadays, I'll stick my biassed oar in and say I don't see any advantage in another outlet for cheap editorial photos.
I think adobe might be quite desperate. I keep mishitting keys in the software and getting invites (generic, not personal lol)  to sell to or buy from Adobestock, also when I update, look for info etc.

« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2017, 11:19 »
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Yay for half a dozen people! Why would you announce this here? It would be much better received at Stocksy forums (I'm assuming Stocksy has forums). For the rest of us it means editorial competition we are no part of.

I appreciate your feedback . It is important to me to communcate changes happening at Adobe Stock to you whenever I can in as timely a manner as possible. Some of the changes I announce will have an impact on you, others may not. Regardless, I think it's very important that our contributor community stays informed.

Thanks,

Mat 

« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 12:56 by MatHayward »

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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2017, 11:40 »
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Maybe not start it off with "big news," then. Because the affected people already knew the news, and for the rest of us an announcement that hey, you've been asking Adobe to accept editorial images, and now Adobe IS accepting editorial images, just not from you, is maybe not so great.

« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2017, 12:45 »
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I am not really sure about what is going on. Maybe someone more experienced than me may explain.

So, Adobe makes a deal first with Pond 5, then with Stocksy, to distribute their products, footage in the first case, stills in the second.
Ok, probably Adobe wins from this: it gets a cut of the sale from both agencies and increase the size and quality of its collection, on the way to become a one-stop shop (especially if it starts accepting editorial, Adobe BIG weak point so far).

Regarding Pond 5 and Stocksy I fail to see their interest: they get a reduced commission on sales that they would have had anyway. At the same time they contribute to make a competitor much, much stronger.
Maybe Adobe platform and marketing capabilities are scaring other companies to death...

In the meantime, the minnows (Dreamstime, 123 RF, DP, etc) have practically disappeared from the map.
Pond 5 since the announcement of the partnership has become a ghost town

« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2017, 12:47 »
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Are we going towards a 3 man market? (Adobe, SS and Getty)

« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2017, 13:17 »
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I am not really sure about what is going on. Maybe someone more experienced than me may explain.

So, Adobe makes a deal first with Pond 5, then with Stocksy, to distribute their products, footage in the first case, stills in the second.
Ok, probably Adobe wins from this: it gets a cut of the sale from both agencies and increase the size and quality of its collection, on the way to become a one-stop shop (especially if it starts accepting editorial, Adobe BIG weak point so far).

Regarding Pond 5 and Stocksy I fail to see their interest: they get a reduced commission on sales that they would have had anyway. At the same time they contribute to make a competitor much, much stronger.
Maybe Adobe platform and marketing capabilities are scaring other companies to death...

In the meantime, the minnows (Dreamstime, 123 RF, DP, etc) have practically disappeared from the map.
Pond 5 since the announcement of the partnership has become a ghost town

dreamstime for me this month is back to good results, but all the minor big stock 123rf deposit and can stock account for maybe 3 dollar.
i agree for the rest.
highly volatile sell, one day good in all agency, then last three days appalling shutter stock...

« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2017, 13:20 »
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Are we going towards a 3 man market? (Adobe, SS and Getty)

dreamstime for me can hit back if they change something. it has good customer base. this week i have more sales there than shutter stock so far and this never happened in last 4 years.
the rest can go bankrupt for what i care, they add 0,1 % to my total earning.
what surprise me mostly is the fact that stocksy is beginning the road to becoming another already seen company.
i waited for them to reopen the call to submit a 1000 files i have already prepared, but i think i will share them between offset and alamy rm.

« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2017, 00:19 »
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I hope ADOBE does wonderful. I own 700 shares of their stock. I'm thrilled to be exclusive and uploading as much editorial to Istock/Getty as I can shoot, and getting paid well for it. Those 2 cent sales are few and far between.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2017, 13:48 by jodijacobson »

« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2017, 00:30 »
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Sounds like ALL the stock agencies treat contributors like sh..t. Maybe I should relook at Istock exclusive. We are the reason the agencies exist but they don't give one F..k about us. None of them. Just worried about their own pockets.

« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2017, 06:17 »
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Sounds like ALL the stock agencies treat contributors like sh..t. Maybe I should relook at Istock exclusive. We are the reason the agencies exist but they don't give one F..k about us. None of them. Just worried about their own pockets.

i agree....for me this speaks a lot about stocksy future...they not have the results they thought and thy begin looking to deals...from selling to other agency to lowering the royalty and price is a second...we have already seen this in 500px for example, ok 500 px was not good like stocksy.
in my opinion while stocksy is very artistic and i like the mood of most of the photos, clearly a community of artist before than stock photographer. i think is a niche that can soon become obsolete. especially in travel they luck a lot cause 99% of photos are like instagram feed...desaturated look, grainy, pale colors...those kind of photos that make madagascar sea like canada sea for example.

« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2017, 11:58 »
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This news could as well be sent via email to those whom it may concern. You could even call and tell them. If I was an editorial buyer, why would I bother to even think about searching images on such a picky and "elite" site? People need very diverse type of images; both editorial and commercial. Not only sparkling clear studio shots with perfect professional lighting. I myself needed a lot images that don't look stockie in the past and fotolia was not the right place to look.

News happen any time, anywhere and you never know who will need them, when and why they need them.


« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2017, 13:46 »
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This news could as well be sent via email to those whom it may concern. You could even call and tell them. If I was an editorial buyer, why would I bother to even think about searching images on such a picky and "elite" site? People need very diverse type of images; both editorial and commercial. Not only sparkling clear studio shots with perfect professional lighting. I myself needed a lot images that don't look stockie in the past and fotolia was not the right place to look.

News happen any time, anywhere and you never know who will need them, when and why they need them.
Well please keep an eye on my port, I shoot real life, real light, real people. Editorial and commercial,
Istockphoto.com/jodijacobson I have 22000 photo's online and add more everyday. I always have my camera on my shoulder. I also shoot on spec and put them up on Getty


 

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