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« on: July 14, 2017, 05:27 »
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This has been probably discussed already, but I can't quickly find it, so a quick question here.

When preparing photos on Adobe Stock/Fotolia for submission, the first 5 keywords are said to be the most relevant ones. However, once the photo has been accepted and published, the keyword order on photo's page is completely random, i.e. the first 5 keywords are not the ones I chose initially. So does it still matter if I put the most relevant keywords in the first five positions, and if yes, then why they are not shown in the same order I chose initially?


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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 09:15 »
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On the contributor side of the site, the keyword order is maintained. I hadn't looked at the buyers side, but I guess they are showing those in alphabetic to avoid providing information to other contributors on what the original submitter thought was important.

I believe it does make a difference on Adobe/Fotolia and I wrote about my investigations a while back on my blog:
http://www.backyardsilver.com/2016/11/adobe-stock-keyword-order/

Steve

« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 09:58 »
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On the contributor side of the site, the keyword order is maintained. I hadn't looked at the buyers side, but I guess they are showing those in alphabetic to avoid providing information to other contributors on what the original submitter thought was important.

Thanks, Steve, that was my assumption as well (otherwise, why mentioning this on contributor's page), but just wanted to clarify whether I'm not missing something, when one looks at buyer's side.


« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 11:20 »
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The first 7 keywords have the greatest impact.

Mat, thank you as usual for your quick and helpful feedback. Just one clarification though: you say the first 7 keywords have the greatest impact, however, in AS submission interface only the first five are highlighted (bold, in blue), which I always thought is the limit for "super-keywords". Is it 7 in reality?

« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 11:24 »
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Hi Mat, could you please let us know if we will have soon the view counter on Adobe and can you confirm that the one in FT is no longer accurate?

Sorry for being off topic. BTW it is indeed 7 keywords for AD/FT


« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2017, 12:09 »
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Yes, that is correct. The keywords are displayed publicly in alphabetical order however the order you add them when indexing and submitting remains on the back end and influences the search results. The first 7 keywords have the greatest impact.

-Mat

Why do you tell about the "first 7 keywords" when Fotolia tells the "first 5 keywords"?
And in the Adobe side only the first 5 keywords are highlighted with a blue color, so if it is the first 7 keywords, as you say, why there are not 7 positions highlighted with the blue color?
So how is it exactly? And why you and Fotolia say different things?

« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 12:28 »
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Yes, that is correct. The keywords are displayed publicly in alphabetical order however the order you add them when indexing and submitting remains on the back end and influences the search results. The first 7 keywords have the greatest impact.

-Mat

Why do you tell about the "first 7 keywords" when Fotolia tells the "first 5 keywords"?
And in the Adobe side only the first 5 keywords are highlighted with a blue color, so if it is the first 7 keywords, as you say, why there are not 7 positions highlighted with the blue color?
So how is it exactly? And why you and Fotolia say different things?

I couldn't tell you. You are welcome to do just 5. For me, when I upload I make sure that keywords #6 and #7 are more important than anything that follows.

Best of luck,

Mat

« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2017, 12:44 »
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Yes, that is correct. The keywords are displayed publicly in alphabetical order however the order you add them when indexing and submitting remains on the back end and influences the search results. The first 7 keywords have the greatest impact.

-Mat

Why do you tell about the "first 7 keywords" when Fotolia tells the "first 5 keywords"?
And in the Adobe side only the first 5 keywords are highlighted with a blue color, so if it is the first 7 keywords, as you say, why there are not 7 positions highlighted with the blue color?
So how is it exactly? And why you and Fotolia say different things?

I couldn't tell you. You are welcome to do just 5. For me, when I upload I make sure that keywords #6 and #7 are more important than anything that follows.

Best of luck,

Mat
Yes, I do the same, just for security ;)

« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2017, 14:21 »
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The first 7 keywords have the greatest emphasis. The minimum number of keywords you can add is 5. I recommend you add between 15-20 for maxim visibility

Thanks for your clarifications and advise.


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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2017, 14:25 »
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It must be said that this thing of the 7 keywords on top is a gigantic time waster.
I really like FT, but uploading takes about 4 to 5 times more time than the average agency.
I can afford it for video, but regarding still images the amounts that can be earned does not justify the time of uploading

« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2017, 15:03 »
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It must be said that this thing of the 7 keywords on top is a gigantic time waster.
I really like FT, but uploading takes about 4 to 5 times more time than the average agency.
I can afford it for video, but regarding still images the amounts that can be earned does not justify the time of uploading

It isn't really any work for new images. I just write keywords in order of importance - I use Photoshop, so the order is kept. No other site has a problem with this order so no duplication

If you have old images that have a different order, upload as is and edit as time permits - starting with the known sellers
« Last Edit: July 14, 2017, 15:07 by Jo Ann Snover »

« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2017, 15:24 »
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It must be said that this thing of the 7 keywords on top is a gigantic time waster.
I really like FT, but uploading takes about 4 to 5 times more time than the average agency.
I can afford it for video, but regarding still images the amounts that can be earned does not justify the time of uploading

It isn't really any work for new images. I just write keywords in order of importance - I use Photoshop, so the order is kept. No other site has a problem with this order so no duplication

If you have old images that have a different order, upload as is and edit as time permits - starting with the known sellers
I will try to do that, but it does not sound easy.
If a image is new I generally use SS keyword search based to other people KW on that topic (excellent tool).
Well it already takes time to keyword, but to create a hierarchy of keyword is a much, much harder job. Multiplied by about 50 files that I upload per week it makes a lot of work.
As I said, for footage it might be worth, but for still images the returns are so tiny that I only upload if it takes me no more than 3 minutes for 50 images. For FT with the 7 keywords it takes me almost a hour, and I cannot justify one hour of work for 50 photos in one agency

« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2017, 17:42 »
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It must be said that this thing of the 7 keywords on top is a gigantic time waster.
I really like FT, but uploading takes about 4 to 5 times more time than the average agency.
I can afford it for video, but regarding still images the amounts that can be earned does not justify the time of uploading

It isn't really any work for new images. I just write keywords in order of importance - I use Photoshop, so the order is kept. No other site has a problem with this order so no duplication

If you have old images that have a different order, upload as is and edit as time permits - starting with the known sellers
I will try to do that, but it does not sound easy.
If a image is new I generally use SS keyword search based to other people KW on that topic (excellent tool).
Well it already takes time to keyword, but to create a hierarchy of keyword is a much, much harder job. Multiplied by about 50 files that I upload per week it makes a lot of work.
As I said, for footage it might be worth, but for still images the returns are so tiny that I only upload if it takes me no more than 3 minutes for 50 images. For FT with the 7 keywords it takes me almost a hour, and I cannot justify one hour of work for 50 photos in one agency

Joanne is right, if you add your keywords to the metadata in Bridge, they will remain in the order you put them. Since other agencies don't have a preference for the order, it wouldn't impact your uploads there.

If you prefer to add your keywords a different way, when using the Adobe Stock Contributor Portal you can simply click and drag the keywords you want at the top. It takes some getting used to in your workflow but once you do it a few times it becomes second nature and goes much faster than it did with Fotolia indexing.

 is greatly appreciated!

-Mat

« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2017, 01:06 »
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I am missing the possibility to copy and paste the keywords (in order) from an image to another. It would speed up the process in many cases.

« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2017, 06:06 »
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I do not find the way to select multiples images on AS and edit keywords one time for similar images... is it possible ?

« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2017, 09:23 »
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I am missing the possibility to copy and paste the keywords (in order) from an image to another. It would speed up the process in many cases.

That is a good idea! I use software for my keywords, and have to re-position using the move to top on Adobe, which does work very well. But having a way to copy and paste for similar images would be really useful.

« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2017, 10:24 »
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Yes, to be able to copy and paste keyword for similar images is a must.
At the moment in Adobe I have to repeat the extremely tedious process of moving keywords even for images of the same series.
I am going back to uploading in Fotolia because of that.

« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2017, 11:35 »
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Yes, to be able to copy and paste keyword for similar images is a must.
At the moment in Adobe I have to repeat the extremely tedious process of moving keywords even for images of the same series.
I am going back to uploading in Fotolia because of that.

A tip: you can enter and place the keywords to be used for a batch of similar photos in your desired order in any word processor (Notepad, Word, etc.), coma-separated, and then copy-paste them into the first cell in Adobe Stock submission pane on the right, then hit "Enter". The system will then automatically split and allocate all keywords into individual cells, but, what is important, will maintain the order you initially created. Note:  sometimes you have to do this twice. In this case you'll have all keywords in the right order in their individual cells, but the first cell will have the same keywords, all of them in one line, coma-separated. Just delete the first line in each photo (it's still faster than to adjust the right order in each photo).

Hope that helps.


 

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