does keywords order on fotolia matter?

niserin

« on: June 21, 2008, 05:19 »

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As in subject. Does it infuence in any case search engine?
It a lot of work to reorder keywords in my 1500 photos' portfolio, that's why I ask.
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nicemonkey

« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2008, 05:30 »

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I started ordering my keywords in all of the new uploads I did from about 2 months ago and I can report that it has made a slight difference (my Absolute rank has gone from 720 to 708). So I would say do it with any new images but dont bother doing the old ones.


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leaf

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 05:52 »

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Since you are a new member i am guessing you haven´t seen the threads on this.

Apparently, the seven first keywords are the ´strong´ones in the search, so the first seven should be the most relevant to the image.

When keywording photos i always put the most important ones first.

It has also been mentioned that once the images are uploaded you cannot change the order of the keywords.


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cdwheatley

« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 11:00 »

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Quote from: niserin on June 21, 2008, 05:19

As in subject. Does it infuence in any case search engine?
It a lot of work to reorder keywords in my 1500 photos' portfolio, that's why I ask.
Thanks

After all the talk about the "relevance" search on fotolia I did a little experiment. I uploaded 2 images almost the same, one portrait and one landscape. I used 8 keywords on one and 30-40 keywords on the other. The one with 8 keywords got placed at the top of the search. This explains why there was one certain photographer whose images were dominating the searches. He only had a few keywords on each image. Anyone else try this?


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nicemonkey

« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 11:20 »

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Quote from: cdwheatley on June 21, 2008, 11:00

Quote from: niserin on June 21, 2008, 05:19

As in subject. Does it infuence in any case search engine?
It a lot of work to reorder keywords in my 1500 photos' portfolio, that's why I ask.
Thanks

I just checked out your experiment and indeed it works but when you click on the downloads preference most of the top images dissappear. I guess this means that yes your image might appear near the top on relevance but customers are not influenced by the results and are willing to dig a bit deeper in the search. Also by only putting 8 search words it does cut down the amount of words that they can be found by and thus appearing in less searches...swings and round abouts!


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Peter

« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2008, 11:28 »

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Quote from: niserin on June 21, 2008, 05:19

As in subject. Does it infuence in any case search engine?

no.


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cdwheatley

« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2008, 12:01 »

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Quote from: nicemonkey on June 21, 2008, 11:20

Quote from: cdwheatley on June 21, 2008, 11:00

Quote from: niserin on June 21, 2008, 05:19

As in subject. Does it infuence in any case search engine?
It a lot of work to reorder keywords in my 1500 photos' portfolio, that's why I ask.
Thanks

I Agree that some customers will dig deeper but, I have yet to see one of my images on page 5 outsell an image on page 1 even if it is a much better image. I have seen some pretty mediocre images sell like crazy because they are sitting on the first line of best match, relevance. I have no plans to start using 8 keywords, just wanted to get to the bottom of why one particular photographer was dominating the entire search after the relevance change about a month ago. The funny thing is my image with 8 keywords that got good placement is outselling the other so far, views and sales. The image with 30-40 keywords is a better image.


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sharply_done

« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2008, 19:24 »

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I think I may be a victim in this - I typically use 40+ keywords, and my FT sales have really begun to plummet.


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cdwheatley

« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2008, 01:38 »

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Quote from: sharply_done on June 21, 2008, 19:24

I think I may be a victim in this - I typically use 40+ keywords, and my FT sales have really begun to plummet.

Sounds like were in the same boat. Right after the search change about a month ago, most of my images got buried in the search, at least for my top 7 keywords. Its easy for me to track because I only have 400 images with similar search terms, most with 40+ keywords. However, sales have picked up since they added the popular search. Now, if they will just take care of my missing credits issue Undecided


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madelaide

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 18:49 »

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Given that less keywords is better in FT - the FT forum thread shows many trials people did - is there something we can do about existing images?

I already followed the rule of "most relevant keywords first", and I can delete some keywords in the new uploads.

Quite frankly I think it's a shame they do that. The seven keywords is already a problem as they don't use composed keywords (with "Rio de Janeiro" I already spend 3 of the 7). If keywords are valid for an image, it should not matter if they are 10 or 50.

But then, we can not do anything about that. My site mails about keywords never had a real answer.

Regards,
Adelaide


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