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Title: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: byman on April 30, 2015, 02:16
Love changes.
We hope and sales would match.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: skyfish on April 30, 2015, 02:23
Not bad, and i think it is more oriented to buyers including design of home page of contributor
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Stockmaan on April 30, 2015, 02:23
Great, no more Easter celebration  ;D

Great changes!

Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: 50% on April 30, 2015, 02:31
you do see that monthly packs (worst deal for contributors with 5% commission) are more prominently advertised!? As usual Fotolia screw us even more!
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: dirkr on April 30, 2015, 03:04
you do see that monthly packs (worst deal for contributors with 5% commission) are more prominently advertised!? As usual Fotolia screw us even more!

Not that I want to defend Fotolia, but didn't they change the payouts for the monthly packs to 20% (25% if you are opted in to DPC) instead of normal subs royalties?
That's the reason why we're seeing subs sales with higher royalties than the normal subs rates...
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: dpimborough on April 30, 2015, 03:37
OK what does this mean?

"You are about to submit 1 content. Content without complete indexing will be saved but not submitted for moderation.
Cancel/Confirm"

No idea  ???

Clicked confirm and it went thru to review anyway
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MxR on April 30, 2015, 04:16
Horrible:

 1. Now it is much harder sort keywords by relevance.

 2. No recalls previous categories

 
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: oscarcwilliams on April 30, 2015, 04:25
I can't find how to get to see my portfolio.  Also, with the new design, does it mean we will get less money for our work?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: pixsol on April 30, 2015, 07:29
Some upload changes observed

> Ability to upload multiple images via webform uploader
> No more Descriptive and Conceptual Categories. Only one 'Category' which is a 3-level one
> Exclusivity? and Free section? default to a 'No'
> Only 'XS' and 'X' shown

> Between 7 and 30 keywords in their order of importance (not 50 as before)

Please see the clarification below from Mat on this.

Hi all, just a quick note to let you know that you can still upload images with a maximum of 50 keywords. It's been determined that the sweet spot for keywords is between 20-30 so the number 30 you have read on the site is a recommendation and not a mandate or change. The language will be changed on the site asap.

-Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Julied83 on April 30, 2015, 08:10
It's hard to see our upload images. I don't like it.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Noedelhap on April 30, 2015, 08:23
I neither hate nor love it.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: dbvirago on April 30, 2015, 08:32
It might be nice if they are going to completely change the interface that they give a bit of help. I keep getting errors because I haven't completely indexed, whatever that means, and I have no idea what I haven't done
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Mantis on April 30, 2015, 08:34
Does that web redesign come with a management redesign?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: roede-orm on April 30, 2015, 09:07
Changes can be good. But there was a chance and Fotolia has not taken the oppoturnity. Even for a buyer the new design is not clearly arranged. By the way, the new Fotolia and the Pic Niche Toolbar does not work together!  :(
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: leaf on April 30, 2015, 09:12
Some upload changes observed

> Ability to upload multiple images via webform uploader
> No more Descriptive and Conceptual Categories. Only one 'Category' which is a 3-level one
> Exclusivity? and Free section? default to a 'No'
> Only 'XS' and 'X' shown
> Between 7 and 30 keywords in their order of importance (not 50 as before)

If they are going to change the max keywords to something less than the standard - that is going to mess with a lot of people keywording.  I guess it's important to keep the keywords in order of importance so that if they get trimmed by a site, only the least important words will get clipped.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: fotografer on April 30, 2015, 09:23
I keep getting errors because I haven't completely indexed, whatever that means, and I have no idea what I haven't done
That may mean that you have uploaded images that need finishing off and sending for review
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: fotografer on April 30, 2015, 09:24
Some upload changes observed

> Ability to upload multiple images via webform uploader
> No more Descriptive and Conceptual Categories. Only one 'Category' which is a 3-level one
> Exclusivity? and Free section? default to a 'No'
> Only 'XS' and 'X' shown
> Between 7 and 30 keywords in their order of importance (not 50 as before)

If they are going to change the max keywords to something less than the standard - that is going to mess with a lot of people keywording.  I guess it's important to keep the keywords in order of importance so that if they get trimmed by a site, only the least important words will get clipped.
I hope that doesn't mean that they are going to cut already uploaded images down to 30 keywords.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: DallasP on April 30, 2015, 10:08
Seems all and good ... Except I can't log in! ;)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: ferdinand on April 30, 2015, 10:13
...earning numbers should be on every page - and ranking too...
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Julied83 on April 30, 2015, 10:27
And now fotolia is broken on microstockr app
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Steveball on April 30, 2015, 10:36
+1 for earnings and rankings at the top of every page. Not a fan of everything white (a design disease) with a lot of thin fonts, the old layout was more intuitive and easier to find what you're looking for. Three green boxes (with small thin text)! Looks like a load of random text boxes were dropped down the stairs onto a Word page!
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: pixsol on April 30, 2015, 11:11
FYI: The DPC flag ('Sell your files on DPC?') is under the 'Business preferences' section of the 'Contributor area > My preferences'.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Steveball on April 30, 2015, 11:12
And why does the X price still auto appear as 30 and not 60! Hope the exclusivity and free choices are remembered too (only uploaded one file - twice because the first upload didn't appear then I had 2 copies to index).
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dog-maDe-sign on April 30, 2015, 11:12
absolutely and totally confusional >:(
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Red Dove on April 30, 2015, 13:43
the thumbnail previews are bigger and look more detailed to me...but everything else is tiny. How are you supposed to read that text on mobile devices without zooming in all the time?

(watching these kids in a cafe in London today texting like maniacs on their phones using two thumbs - whereas I'm stabbing away at my iphone with a giant index finger and no doubt had my tongue poked out to aid concentration).
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: BD on April 30, 2015, 14:19
When I upload it says that the maximum is now 30 keywords.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: ShadySue on April 30, 2015, 14:29
(watching these kids in a cafe in London today texting like maniacs on their phones using two thumbs ...)

(OT)
Don't envy them too much:
http://ergonomics.about.com/od/De-Quervains_Syndrome/a/What_Is_Texting_Thumb.htm (http://ergonomics.about.com/od/De-Quervains_Syndrome/a/What_Is_Texting_Thumb.htm)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dumc on April 30, 2015, 15:43
I uploaded a file and it doesn't says anywhere, that maximum number of keywords is 30.

In fact, when I submit file for review and then go to  " Contributor area > My files > All my uploaded files"  and check file info all the keywords are there.

Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dumc on April 30, 2015, 15:57
Ok, now I see, If you go with your mouse cursor over "?" it says maximum 30 keyword. But when I submit a file for review and check file info, all 35 keyword are there.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: heywoody on April 30, 2015, 16:03
And now fotolia is broken on microstockr app
Yup, that would happen - have to modify my images and sales extract scripts (bummer)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MatHayward on April 30, 2015, 17:51
Hi all, just a quick note to let you know that you can still upload images with a maximum of 50 keywords. It's been determined that the sweet spot for keywords is between 20-30 so the number 30 you have read on the site is a recommendation and not a mandate or change. The language will be changed on the site asap.

-Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: PixelBytes on April 30, 2015, 23:06
Hi all, just a quick note to let you know that you can still upload images with a maximum of 50 keywords. It's been determined that the sweet spot for keywords is between 20-30 so the number 30 you have read on the site is a recommendation and not a mandate or change. The language will be changed on the site asap.

-Mat

Thank you Mat.  Very good to know.  So if I want I can upload as usual.

By sweet spot, do you mean that images with 20 to 30 keywords sell better and/or are better placed in the searches?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: PixelBytes on April 30, 2015, 23:59
BTW - anyone tried converting credits?  I have several hundred credits I am trying to convert to get my monthly payout and I keep getting an error message saying I don't have enough credits to convert.  These are all credits from the sale of images.

Mat, or anyone, can you help with this?  What's up? 
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Me on May 01, 2015, 00:14
BTW - anyone tried converting credits?  I have several hundred credits I am trying to convert to get my monthly payout and I keep getting an error message saying I don't have enough credits to convert.  These are all credits from the sale of images.

Mat, or anyone, can you help with this?  What's up?

Mine said I had a certain number of credits available to convert but the figure was rounded up, check your balance and convert only the whole number available e.g. if your balance is 399.76 credits it will say you have 400 available to convert but when you try to it will say you do not have enough credits available. Convert 399 credits and it will let you.

That was my experience anyway.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: BD on May 01, 2015, 01:22
Hi all, just a quick note to let you know that you can still upload images with a maximum of 50 keywords. It's been determined that the sweet spot for keywords is between 20-30 so the number 30 you have read on the site is a recommendation and not a mandate or change. The language will be changed on the site asap.

-Mat

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: ferdinand on May 01, 2015, 04:44
It might be nice if they are going to completely change the interface that they give a bit of help. I keep getting errors because I haven't completely indexed, whatever that means, and I have no idea what I haven't done

...same here... no idea what I have done wrong
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: amarrow on May 01, 2015, 07:18
Converting credits for payout was working fine for me today morning. Was converting more than 700 Credits. Used Paypal for none US citizen. Possibly a software bug after the page upgrade.


BTW - anyone tried converting credits?  I have several hundred credits I am trying to convert to get my monthly payout and I keep getting an error message saying I don't have enough credits to convert.  These are all credits from the sale of images.

Mat, or anyone, can you help with this?  What's up?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MatHayward on May 01, 2015, 12:42
Hi all, just a quick note to let you know that you can still upload images with a maximum of 50 keywords. It's been determined that the sweet spot for keywords is between 20-30 so the number 30 you have read on the site is a recommendation and not a mandate or change. The language will be changed on the site asap.

-Mat

Thank you Mat.  Very good to know.  So if I want I can upload as usual.

By sweet spot, do you mean that images with 20 to 30 keywords sell better and/or are better placed in the searches?

Yes, you can upload as usual.

The most effective "best practice" is to add between 20-30 relevant, high quality keywords to maximize visibility in the search.

-Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: PixelBytes on May 01, 2015, 12:52
BTW - anyone tried converting credits?  I have several hundred credits I am trying to convert to get my monthly payout and I keep getting an error message saying I don't have enough credits to convert.  These are all credits from the sale of images.

Mat, or anyone, can you help with this?  What's up?

Mine said I had a certain number of credits available to convert but the figure was rounded up, check your balance and convert only the whole number available e.g. if your balance is 399.76 credits it will say you have 400 available to convert but when you try to it will say you do not have enough credits available. Convert 399 credits and it will let you.

That was my experience anyway.

Thank you!  Much appreciated!   That was exactly what the issue turned out to be.  The cash out page rounded up to the nearest $.  When I  requested $1 less, it went through.   
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: PixelBytes on May 01, 2015, 12:57


Yes, you can upload as usual.

The most effective "best practice" is to add between 20-30 relevant, high quality keywords to maximize visibility in the search.

-Mat

Thanks again Mat.  I will try to trim my future keywords to 30 if poseible. Guess my thousands of existing photos will be SOL tho.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: KimsCreativeHub on May 01, 2015, 13:32
Actually I would prefer for contributors that credits (amount we earned) would be $$ instead.


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Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: KimsCreativeHub on May 01, 2015, 13:33
Added: when we see it in the back office area


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Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: heywoody on May 01, 2015, 15:54
Seems you can now update keywords for existing images - isn't that new and improved?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: hatman12 on May 01, 2015, 16:56
Seems you can now update keywords for existing images - isn't that new and improved?

No, keywords can't be edited.  You'll get an error message if you try.  In fact nothing can be changed except prices.  Shame, because I think having the facility to REDUCE the number of keywords would be good, particularly as they say that fewer keywords increases relevancy,  I can understand why they would want to stop people adding extra words though.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Jeffrey on May 02, 2015, 01:05
I could not upload files. Anyone else having this problem?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: zstoimenov on May 02, 2015, 01:09
To me it seems like a re-skin and not a total update. I guess they had only a few months and needed a new interface so the customers can 'see' that there is a new owner.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Hobostocker on May 02, 2015, 01:58
To me it seems like a re-skin and not a total update. I guess they had only a few months and needed a new interface so the customers can 'see' that there is a new owner.

but under the new skin there's the same old tripe.

i've mixed feelings about this, apart the Adobe logo it doesn't look "Adobish" at all ... i guess some Program Manager was ordered to make something quickly, but it will take some time before Fotolia joins the adobe family as a full time member.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: danielsbfoto on May 02, 2015, 02:52
Quote
I can understand why they would want to stop people adding extra words though.

Really, sure there some kind of software needs but I think it works against commercial interest. I have some slaves photos  with missing words (mistake was mine) Whats the way, deleted and uploaded again? please make the easy way like others.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: StockPhotosArt.com on May 02, 2015, 03:20
Hi all, just a quick note to let you know that you can still upload images with a maximum of 50 keywords. It's been determined that the sweet spot for keywords is between 20-30 so the number 30 you have read on the site is a recommendation and not a mandate or change. The language will be changed on the site asap.

-Mat

Thank you Mat.  Very good to know.  So if I want I can upload as usual.

By sweet spot, do you mean that images with 20 to 30 keywords sell better and/or are better placed in the searches?

Yes, you can upload as usual.

The most effective "best practice" is to add between 20-30 relevant, high quality keywords to maximize visibility in the search.

-Mat

Then allows us to edit the keywords, since I never heard about the policy to promote images with less keywords.

I think it's unfair for people that complied with what was allowed by FL to have now their old images search placement damaged by something like this.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: jaycriss on May 02, 2015, 05:50
hello,

is there a way to reorder keywords with the new design of Fotolia or it doesn't matter anymore?

thanks
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dog-maDe-sign on May 02, 2015, 06:36
hello,

is there a way to reorder keywords with the new design of Fotolia or it doesn't matter anymore?


you can copy and paste (only the words alredy present)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: ferdinand on May 02, 2015, 12:00
... there s no "object" as category ??!!!!
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Nikovsk on May 02, 2015, 17:03
The search for the buyers improved... but the contributor part got really confusing.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: somethingpretentious on May 03, 2015, 01:38
... there s no "object" as category ??!!!!

No, but they now have the long awaited category "risotto"... 
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: topol on May 03, 2015, 04:29
I think this actually is a nice improvement for contributors, people just didn't take / have the time to discover how it works. You can batch edit dozens of files now, changing their description with a single click like on SS, so defaulting your X-price option or categories to previous file's setting is meaningless now. This makes submitting a lot faster.

Again: it now basically works like SS batch submission forms, editing, saving adn submitting multiple files at once.

Imho the whole interface is lot better, less clicks needed, almost everything on a single page, you just need rto figure it out an get used to it.

On the other hand I don't see much improvement in sales coming from the adobe deal. I have slowly increasing sales from my files "maturing" but nothing else really.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Semmick Photo on May 03, 2015, 06:14
They have the batch editor for ages now
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: OM on May 03, 2015, 07:22
Their ftp was frequently down so I always chose the screen uploader. Now that is restricted to max 30MB total/time....less than 3 full-res jpgs. No object category and I get that incomplete indexing thing which FT didn't bother to explain that only 30 keywords accepted and 64 characters in title.

Too bad. Won't bother there any more.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dumc on May 03, 2015, 08:22
Like they care.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Tryingmybest on May 03, 2015, 14:37
We only need to assign one category. That's a good thing.  8)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: ferdinand on May 03, 2015, 15:13
... drag & drop for uploud - almost every site has it


- this uploud is awful!!!!!!...
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: topol on May 04, 2015, 03:18
We only need to assign one category. That's a good thing.  8)

yep, with millions of files, categories are pretty much useless
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: topol on May 04, 2015, 03:18
They have the batch editor for ages now

Nope
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Semmick Photo on May 04, 2015, 03:24
They have the batch editor for ages now

Nope
yes they have. Not sure why you say they haven't. It's been there for probably 2 years
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Semmick Photo on May 04, 2015, 03:28
3 years http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/new-bulk-edit-on-fotolia/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/new-bulk-edit-on-fotolia/)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Julied83 on May 04, 2015, 07:34
Can you tell me how I can see the last images download with thumbnail as it was before and the most downloaded images ? with sales stats under the image. That was much better and easier to view than now. I don't like the new layout at all.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: dirkr on May 04, 2015, 07:51
Can you tell me how I can see the last images download with thumbnail as it was before and the most downloaded images ? with sales stats under the image. That was much better and easier to view than now. I don't like the new layout at all.

Try this:

https://us.fotolia.com/Contributor?active_tab=contents
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Julied83 on May 04, 2015, 08:08
super ! thank you
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: PixelBytes on May 04, 2015, 23:47
I haven't uploaded since the changes.  Does FTP still work the same way?  With their weird password system?  Or have they changed that?  I assume it still reads the iptc data?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: gillian vann on May 05, 2015, 19:52
I haven't uploaded much lately either, and it's great I can select multiple files, but at 30MB total size that equals only 3 per upload, unless I switch to FTP, which often fails (due to my dodgy connection I assume). now instead of the % indicator at the bottom of the window I get to watch the green swirly Fotolia logo instead.  there was something odd with the indexing: changing keywords in one didn't marry up and instead changed the order in the other two.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Sebastian Radu on May 06, 2015, 00:08
I don't know if is a coincidence but after this re-design my sales are very low  :-\
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: skyfish on May 06, 2015, 00:36
In my account there "no" for free section, but submission stops and message tells that i have "yes" for free section and in case of rejection image will be given away for free. I deleted files. BTW FTP worked increadible fast
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: PZF on May 09, 2015, 12:54
Am I right in thinking that
XS price 1-1   relates to price for smallest DL size which is fixed
and
X price 30 - 100
is for  an EL - or something???????
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dumc on May 09, 2015, 13:04
Your thinking is right.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on May 14, 2015, 09:20
Why is the web interface limited to 10 files at a time now?  Do they not want uploads?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MatHayward on May 14, 2015, 11:44
Hi all,

The web uploader has been updated at Fotolia. You can now upload 10 images up to 30mb each at a time.

Hopefully this change will help those of you that were struggling with uploads. I do still recommend you use ftp to upload when possible. If you have any questions about how to use ftp please feel free to send me an email: [email protected]

Thanks!

Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Semmick Photo on May 14, 2015, 11:46
Mat, is Adobe holding on to the legacy decisions of Fotolia, or will they let people back in that got expelled without clear reason given?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Rinderart on May 14, 2015, 12:43
OK what does this mean?

"You are about to submit 1 content. Content without complete indexing will be saved but not submitted for moderation.
Cancel/Confirm"

No idea  ???

Clicked confirm and it went thru to review anyway

Did the same. and not submitted. Im lost on this new system. Always said....whatever site makes this painless wins. This has Pain.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MatHayward on May 14, 2015, 13:05
OK what does this mean?

"You are about to submit 1 content. Content without complete indexing will be saved but not submitted for moderation.
Cancel/Confirm"

No idea  ???

Clicked confirm and it went thru to review anyway

Did the same. and not submitted. Im lost on this new system. Always said....whatever site makes this painless wins. This has Pain.

That message is informing you that IF there is a problem the changes you made will be saved.

If there is a problem after you click to submit the area that is not completed should be highlighted with a thin red box.

-Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MatHayward on May 14, 2015, 13:50
Mat, is Adobe holding on to the legacy decisions of Fotolia, or will they let people back in that got expelled without clear reason given?

@SemmickPhoto, Nothing has changed at Fotolia regarding policies and procedures. I'm more than happy to discuss individual account issues privately. Feel free to email me: [email protected].

-Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Semmick Photo on May 14, 2015, 13:53
Alright, thanks, will do.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Mantis on May 14, 2015, 18:35
Mat, is Adobe holding on to the legacy decisions of Fotolia, or will they let people back in that got expelled without clear reason given?

@SemmickPhoto, Nothing has changed at Fotolia regarding policies and procedures. I'm more than happy to discuss individual account issues privately. Feel free to email me: [email protected].

-Mat

That is just sad.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Rinderart on May 15, 2015, 13:10
Looks Like it was designed By a it Guy, Not someone that will use it all the time. OR, Maybe Im/were so used to the other one.  Folks who spend all there time on One site get it. some of us have 10/20 sites we have to remember how to navigate.

Bottom Line , sales are still Picking up.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dodie on May 18, 2015, 02:35
Hi everyone,
I just noticed that many of my old files are assigned to a wrong category after the site facelift. Is there an easy way to fix it in batch mode without messing up something else? Does batch editing the categories of selected files in a folder work? Doing it one by one is a huge volume of work.
Anyone has a solution, maybe Mat?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dodie on May 18, 2015, 03:27
Never mind. It's not possible because subcategories are very tight, which is a good thing. e.g.: food → fruits → apples.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: PinHead on May 18, 2015, 04:13
Maybe they should have changed the "ranking system" as well...separately for videos and photos. A contributor with video port will never be able to grow in rank as a photographer.Not to mention that there is a penalty in the search engine for those contributors with low ranking...
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Mantis on May 18, 2015, 07:33
Maybe they should have changed the "ranking system" as well...separately for videos and photos. A contributor with video port will never be able to grow in rank as a photographer.Not to mention that there is a penalty in the search engine for those contributors with low ranking...

FT has a history of baking in any functional strategy that favors FT and hangs the contributor out to dry, essentially leaving it up to contributors to find out on their own that they are being taken advantage of. They have EARNED that reputation. With the current management still in place I see absolutely no reason why anything would change.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MatHayward on May 18, 2015, 16:42
Hi All,
 
Thanks again for your feedback about the Fotolia.com update, it was very helpful. The site development team has been working hard to make the changes that have been requested. Here is an update of what has been done so far....
 
-The number of keywords entered is now displayed in the indexing form adjacent to each image.
-You can update the category for your online files.
-If you choose to use the web uploader instead of ftp you can upload up to ten 30mb images at once.
 
Other requests that have been noted and are currently being worked on....
 
-You will soon be able to update your preferences in the member menu to link to the contributor dashboard instead of the customer dashboard.
-The language will be changed in the indexing page to indicate you can add up to 50 keywords though 30 is recommended.
-Ability to sort keywords in the indexing form.
-Adding file price on the image tooltip for your own images.
 
Thanks again. If you have any questions, comments or concerns please feel free to reach out to me directly via email: [email protected]

-Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: PixelBytes on May 19, 2015, 10:57
All great changes!  Thanks Mat! 
:)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: leaf on May 19, 2015, 14:32
Thanks for the updates Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: ngaga35 on May 19, 2015, 20:00
Yup, great updates indeed.
Thanks Mat.  :)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Rinderart on May 28, 2015, 15:37
After working with new upload system. It's all good. I hate change...LOL especially after so many years. I would prefer 20 Images instead of 10 On the web Uploader.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Stockmaan on May 28, 2015, 15:48
@mat

Thanks for updates!   8)
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Pixart on May 29, 2015, 10:48
After working with new upload system. It's all good. I hate change...LOL especially after so many years. I would prefer 20 Images instead of 10 On the web Uploader.

Just highlighting this, fully agree.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dodie on June 01, 2015, 03:55

-The number of keywords entered is now displayed in the indexing form adjacent to each image.
-The language will be changed in the indexing page to indicate you can add up to 50 keywords though 30 is recommended.
-Mat


Nice talk Mat, let us dream!

I don't want to be a killjoy but honestly, why bother when only a preferred part of them will be indexed?
Your new dictionary will change any keyword with never heard (for some of us) synonyms like "gourmet" to "epicure", just because gourmet is not of English origin. Or "medicinal" to "medicative", who knows why?

You say in https://eu.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Tips/Indexing/Overview (https://eu.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Tips/Indexing/Overview) :
"The keywords are certainly the most important fields of the indexation; these often make a huge difference in an image’s sales potential. This is the customers primary search method. So, it is very important to fill those fields very carefully.

To make sure you use the right keywords, put yourself in the place of a buyer; what keyword would you type in, if you were looking for this particular image?"

That's all true, so:
- would buyers look for "epicure" or for "gourmet" when searching for cake?
- would they look for "medicinal" hers or for "medicative" herbs?
- will my medicinal plant images have better sales potential with the keyword "medicative" as with "medicinal"? Do plants have medicinal properties or medicative properties?
Even in this text the word medicative is red underlined by spell check.

Indeed these words are synonyms but I've never heard about "epicure", I just looked it up in several well known dictionaries and guess what?
My cake is:
http://www.yourdictionary.com/epicure (http://www.yourdictionary.com/epicure)
noun

    1. Someone who has a refined taste for fine food and drink.
        An example of an epicure is a writer for a food magazine.
    2. A person devoted to sensuous pleasure and luxurious living.

While gourmet food:
Gourmet is a cultural ideal associated with the culinary arts of fine food and drink, or haute cuisine. Wikipedia.

FT was my no.1 agency (no matter what others say) but I'm totally lost on this new site.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: ShadySue on June 01, 2015, 04:07
Your new dictionary will change any keyword with never heard (for some of us) synonyms like "gourmet" to "epicure", just because gourmet is not of English origin.
Ha - French = bad; Latin = good.

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Or "medicinal" to "medicative", who knows why?
The latter sounds American to me, but I still don't think it's widely used.
'Medicinal compound' OTOH is well known to all Brits 'of a certain age'.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dodie on June 01, 2015, 04:19
Quote
I still don't think it's widely used.
That's what I'm talking about. Keywords should be the most widely used, simple words.

Quote
Ha - French = bad; Latin = good.
Btw. English has nothing to do with Latin, while French is a Latin, Romanic ( Gallo-Romance) language.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: ShadySue on June 01, 2015, 04:46
Btw. English has nothing to do with Latin
Ha! I'm not getting into linguistic debates, but not all of our Latin derivations originate in Greek.
However, in this case: Epicure orginates with Greek:
Late Middle English (denoting a disciple of Epicurus): via medieval Latin from Greek Epikouros 'Epicurus'.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dodie on June 01, 2015, 05:18
Btw. English has nothing to do with Latin
Ha! I'm not getting into linguistic debates,
Sorry, I didn't mean it like that. I'm just trying to guess FT's reasoning. Why is a well known keyword changed to a less used one, or more precisely, how do I know what keywords to use to be accepted when indexing.
When it is about keyword spamming I'm the first to agree to delete those words but I've never seen an agency that substitutes my words with whatever they believe to be more suitable.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MatHayward on June 01, 2015, 11:15
I'm not sure I'm following you. What is the primary concern? I searched "gourmet" in Fotolia and found over 1 million results. Are you concerned that the system will change the word gourmet to epicure automatically as a translation into English? As far as I can tell that isn't happening. Please let me know what specific information your concern is based on so I can investigate.

Thank you,

Mat



-The number of keywords entered is now displayed in the indexing form adjacent to each image.
-The language will be changed in the indexing page to indicate you can add up to 50 keywords though 30 is recommended.
-Mat


Nice talk Mat, let us dream!

I don't want to be a killjoy but honestly, why bother when only a preferred part of them will be indexed?
Your new dictionary will change any keyword with never heard (for some of us) synonyms like "gourmet" to "epicure", just because gourmet is not of English origin. Or "medicinal" to "medicative", who knows why?

You say in [url]https://eu.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Tips/Indexing/Overview[/url] ([url]https://eu.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/Tips/Indexing/Overview[/url]) :
"The keywords are certainly the most important fields of the indexation; these often make a huge difference in an image’s sales potential. This is the customers primary search method. So, it is very important to fill those fields very carefully.

To make sure you use the right keywords, put yourself in the place of a buyer; what keyword would you type in, if you were looking for this particular image?"

That's all true, so:
- would buyers look for "epicure" or for "gourmet" when searching for cake?
- would they look for "medicinal" hers or for "medicative" herbs?
- will my medicinal plant images have better sales potential with the keyword "medicative" as with "medicinal"? Do plants have medicinal properties or medicative properties?
Even in this text the word medicative is red underlined by spell check.

Indeed these words are synonyms but I've never heard about "epicure", I just looked it up in several well known dictionaries and guess what?
My cake is:
[url]http://www.yourdictionary.com/epicure[/url] ([url]http://www.yourdictionary.com/epicure[/url])
noun

    1. Someone who has a refined taste for fine food and drink.
        An example of an epicure is a writer for a food magazine.
    2. A person devoted to sensuous pleasure and luxurious living.

While gourmet food:
Gourmet is a cultural ideal associated with the culinary arts of fine food and drink, or haute cuisine. Wikipedia.

FT was my no.1 agency (no matter what others say) but I'm totally lost on this new site.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Dodie on June 01, 2015, 13:40
I'm not sure I'm following you. What is the primary concern? I searched "gourmet" in Fotolia and found over 1 million results. Are you concerned that the system will change the word gourmet to epicure automatically as a translation into English? As far as I can tell that isn't happening. Please let me know what specific information your concern is based on so I can investigate.

Thank you,

Mat



Hi Mat,

I noticed lately that some strange keywords are showing up on my newly uploaded images but I had no time to investigate when I first saw them. I didn't even know the meaning of some of them, so I couldn't have put them there.
Yes, someone (the system) is changing the keywords, often with totally irrelevant, out of context synonyms.
There can be 1 million results for gourmet but on old files. Please search for epicure, new or relevant search, take any, cake, chocolate, ice cream image from the first page and see if you will find "gourmet". IF you have access to the keywords on the indexing page you can compare them to the ones on the image page.

My main concerns are:
- changing good keywords with irrelevant ones looks like spamming to the buyer.
- even worse is that special, technical terms from a niche are changed to poetry which could make the buyer doubt the photographer's mental well-being.
Example:  "screeding"(http://www.pavingexpert.com/screeding.htm (http://www.pavingexpert.com/screeding.htm)) changed to "screening".

Industrial, technical terms have their own dictionary. I worked a lot to find the right technical terms in English for my photos, no other agency changed them.

All examples from above are real and many more, but I don't want to post my images here.
I'm surprised that nobody complained and more surprised that you don't know about this.

Thanks for your help Mat. Unfortunately I don't see a fix for this but I would be happy with some kind of warning during indexing, when a keyword is not accepted. Let me find the right synonym.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: skyfish on June 01, 2015, 13:49
They are going by IS road regarding keywords...
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Sulio on June 01, 2015, 17:24
Mat, is Adobe holding on to the legacy decisions of Fotolia, or will they let people back in that got expelled without clear reason given?

@SemmickPhoto, Nothing has changed at Fotolia regarding policies and procedures. I'm more than happy to discuss individual account issues privately. Feel free to email me: [email protected].

-Mat

That is just sad.
Jezz Chad is still there...
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: marthamarks on June 01, 2015, 21:44
The latter sounds American to me, but I still don't think it's widely used.
'Medicinal compound' OTOH is well known to all Brits 'of a certain age'.

I don't believe many of us Americans would use the word "medicative". Medicinal, yes.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: dpimborough on June 02, 2015, 02:56
Your new dictionary will change any keyword with never heard (for some of us) synonyms like "gourmet" to "epicure", just because gourmet is not of English origin.
Ha - French = bad; Latin = good.

Quote
Or "medicinal" to "medicative", who knows why?
The latter sounds American to me, but I still don't think it's widely used.
'Medicinal compound' OTOH is well known to all Brits 'of a certain age'.

Dear old Lydia Pinkham has a lot to answer for :D
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Nikovsk on June 02, 2015, 05:23
The 10 files web-upload limit doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: MatHayward on June 02, 2015, 11:38
The 10 files web-upload limit doesn't make any sense.

FTP is a much more practical way to upload in my opinion. If you have any questions about using FTP to upload shoot me an email and I'll be happy to help: [email protected]

-Mat
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: dbvirago on June 14, 2015, 08:08
Can you guys post a comprehensive list of the category hierarchy somewhere? Clicking through multiple category trees to try and find something, finally giving up and trying to find an 'other' category is wasting a lot of time. If it's this difficult for us, how frustrating is it for buyers?
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: Rinderart on June 14, 2015, 12:41
web uploading should be 20/25 not 10.
Title: Re: Fotalia re-design!
Post by: mojaric on June 16, 2015, 10:29
i really can't find anymore my ranking.... ::)