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« Reply #125 on: April 28, 2014, 11:58 »
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Increadible - nearly every new posting gives us more arguments to fight against DPC!!!


« Reply #126 on: April 28, 2014, 12:14 »
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A big thank you to the Russian colleagues who manage to organize resistance to Fotolia. Maybe it results in a permanent organization against the intolerable conditions in the microstock world
« Last Edit: April 28, 2014, 12:17 by roede-orm »

« Reply #127 on: April 28, 2014, 12:17 »
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Big respect for Andresr, what a nice surprise.

I am not surprised, Andresr has always been a man to be respected.

« Reply #128 on: April 28, 2014, 12:18 »
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Increadible - nearly every new posting gives us more arguments to fight against DPC!!!

I almost don't even care, I'll probably delete my portfolio anyway. Getting those .13 sales is pretty depressing, and add on the fact that I'm getting 0 traffic and that the jerks want to try and pull a maneuver like this, without even taking our opinions into account ... If contributors aren't worth anything to them then we might as well be elsewhere anyway.

« Reply #129 on: April 28, 2014, 12:20 »
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Jo Ann is right. The DPC is clearly not directed to high volume buyers, but to On Demand customers. I was also offered "preferred admission" via email and I have never purchased an image from Fotolia. I only downloaded a couple of free images a few years ago. The email said:

Quote
Dollar Photo Club from Fotolia is the next wave in stock photos offering 25 million RF images for one easy price.

$1 for any high res image and any vector guaranteed!

Discover downloads that NEVER expire - cancel your membership and purchased downloads will STILL be there when you need them, always...

Dont ever pay more than $1 for professional stock images and vectors!

Join Dollar Photo Club today!
P.S. Fotolia customers like you can get preferred admission to Dollar Photo Club; just choose Fotolia when asked which stock agencies you currently use but hurry, places are strictly limited!

(My bold)

When you've receive this email?

« Reply #130 on: April 28, 2014, 12:20 »
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Big respect for Andresr, what a nice surprise.

I am not surprised, Andresr has always been a man to be respected.

really? would you mind telling us why? have you noticed he still has portfolio at all agencies after being iStock exclusive for 6 months?

« Reply #131 on: April 28, 2014, 12:23 »
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« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 21:45 by tickstock »

« Reply #132 on: April 28, 2014, 12:33 »
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Jo Ann is right. The DPC is clearly not directed to high volume buyers, but to On Demand customers. I was also offered "preferred admission" via email and I have never purchased an image from Fotolia. I only downloaded a couple of free images a few years ago. The email said:

Quote
Dollar Photo Club from Fotolia is the next wave in stock photos offering 25 million RF images for one easy price.

$1 for any high res image and any vector guaranteed!

Discover downloads that NEVER expire - cancel your membership and purchased downloads will STILL be there when you need them, always...

Dont ever pay more than $1 for professional stock images and vectors!

Join Dollar Photo Club today!
P.S. Fotolia customers like you can get preferred admission to Dollar Photo Club; just choose Fotolia when asked which stock agencies you currently use but hurry, places are strictly limited!

(My bold)

When you've receive this email?

I received two of them. The first one on 6th March and the second on 10th April.

« Reply #133 on: April 28, 2014, 12:34 »
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Big respect for Andresr, what a nice surprise.

I am not surprised, Andresr has always been a man to be respected.

really? would you mind telling us why? have you noticed he still has portfolio at all agencies after being iStock exclusive for 6 months?

Have you deleted your port?  Have you seen Andres badmouthing his contemporaries on any board ever?

Andres walked the walk and because of that he created opportunities for himself which most of us do not enjoy. It is clear you resent that fact immensely. 


« Reply #134 on: April 28, 2014, 12:42 »
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Big respect for Andresr, what a nice surprise.

I am not surprised, Andresr has always been a man to be respected.

really? would you mind telling us why? have you noticed he still has portfolio at all agencies after being iStock exclusive for 6 months?
He's not doing anything wrong.  If he got a deal with Getty good for him, no need for you to be jealous. It doesn't affect you at all does it?  He has two portfolios, one exclusive and one not exclusive on iStock.  Are you even sure he got a special deal or maybe he has a different business arrangement for each portfolio?

of course he hasn't and I happy to see you as an exclusive happy with it as well!

« Reply #135 on: April 28, 2014, 12:47 »
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Big respect for Andresr, what a nice surprise.

I am not surprised, Andresr has always been a man to be respected.

really? would you mind telling us why? have you noticed he still has portfolio at all agencies after being iStock exclusive for 6 months?

Have you deleted your port?  Have you seen Andres badmouthing his contemporaries on any board ever?

Andres walked the walk and because of that he created opportunities for himself which most of us do not enjoy. It is clear you resent that fact immensely.

saying the true is hard I know, I am sure he is fine by leaving his portfolio at all agencies and so do you! anyway I am not badmouthing but stating facts, I would say what I will do with FT but I guess you can find that out Mr Anonymous

« Reply #136 on: April 28, 2014, 12:48 »
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« Last Edit: May 11, 2014, 21:45 by tickstock »

« Reply #137 on: April 28, 2014, 12:50 »
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Special deal or not I wouldn't be mad at Andresr  (from what I can tell his exclusive content is only on iStock).  I don't think he has done anything wrong at all.

who said I mad at him? you guys love to put words on others mouth, I just said it is stunning that he and Yuri managed this shameless deal, again I am thrilled to see people enchanted by this fact

« Reply #138 on: April 28, 2014, 12:52 »
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Special deal or not I wouldn't be mad at Andresr  (from what I can tell his exclusive content is only on iStock).  I don't think he has done anything wrong at all.

Agreed, Tickstock. In my opinion, the frustration lies in the double standards game certain agencies play.

« Reply #139 on: April 28, 2014, 12:59 »
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....In the meantime if you do not want your images sold through Dollar Photo Club send your request via a Fotolia customer support  ticket and you will be manually removed.....

-Mat Hayward

Mat, could you please clarify the opt out that is being offered? Can we have our whole portfolio manually removed by contacting customer support as you stated in this post or just stop new uploads appearing on the site, as the replies to individual contributors seem to imply?

We need to know what options are open to us before we can make a decision. Do we have to delete our whole portfolio from Fotolia if we want to opt out of DPC or not?

Yes, you can opt out of Dollar Photo Club sales via a customer support ticket.  These requests may take several days for the process to complete but Customer Service is responding as quickly as possible.  To clarify, this removes your entire portfolio (including existing and future uploads) from Dollar Photo Club while keeping your images active in the rest of the database. 

-Mat 


Ron

« Reply #141 on: April 28, 2014, 13:42 »
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FYI:  The license agreement has changed to limit the print run to 500K as it is at Fotolia.  "Run limit: The Member may not cause or allow any given Work (including modifications thereof) to be reproduced more than 500,000 times"
So your initial assessment of the licence was wrong and yet you kept advising contributors that they were wrong when they pointed it out to you, in fact they were right?

« Reply #142 on: April 28, 2014, 13:57 »
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FYI:  The license agreement has changed to limit the print run to 500K as it is at Fotolia.  "Run limit: The Member may not cause or allow any given Work (including modifications thereof) to be reproduced more than 500,000 times"
So your initial assessment of the licence was wrong and yet you kept advising contributors that they were wrong when they pointed it out to you, in fact they were right?

I understand your point Ron.  Up until about a month or so ago, the Standard license at Fotolia allowed unlimited print runs.  The differentiator between the Standard license and the Extended license was when an image was to be used on an object in which the primary value  was found within the image.  For example, tee shirts, coffee mugs, greeting cards, etc. 

The Standard license changed recently at Fotolia to include the print run of 500K but that change did not carry over to DPC.  All of the other relevant differentiators remained in place.  Having listened to contributor feedback this week, management realized that this was an important issue and made the correction in the license agreement for Dollar Photo Club. 

-Mat
« Last Edit: April 28, 2014, 14:02 by MatHayward »

« Reply #143 on: April 28, 2014, 14:18 »
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FYI:  The license agreement has changed to limit the print run to 500K as it is at Fotolia.  "Run limit: The Member may not cause or allow any given Work (including modifications thereof) to be reproduced more than 500,000 times"

Since it's so ridiculously cheap, how about 100k times, I mean, since we're changing things.

« Reply #144 on: April 28, 2014, 14:45 »
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FYI:  The license agreement has changed to limit the print run to 500K as it is at Fotolia.  "Run limit: The Member may not cause or allow any given Work (including modifications thereof) to be reproduced more than 500,000 times"

So how does that work Legally.
If I bought a $99 package last week am I now limited to the 500k size print run? or can I go by the old terms when I bought my package that I thought was unlimited.
And how are you going to police that?

« Reply #145 on: April 28, 2014, 15:04 »
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FYI:  The license agreement has changed to limit the print run to 500K as it is at Fotolia.  "Run limit: The Member may not cause or allow any given Work (including modifications thereof) to be reproduced more than 500,000 times"

So how does that work Legally.
If I bought a $99 package last week am I now limited to the 500k size print run? or can I go by the old terms when I bought my package that I thought was unlimited.
And how are you going to police that?

As it's a contract between FT and the end user it is most likely that FT would have to honour the contract.

I can't see that once the sold images under the "unlimited print run" clause they could then rescind that.

« Reply #146 on: April 28, 2014, 15:21 »
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FYI:  The license agreement has changed to limit the print run to 500K as it is at Fotolia.  "Run limit: The Member may not cause or allow any given Work (including modifications thereof) to be reproduced more than 500,000 times"

So how does that work Legally.
If I bought a $99 package last week am I now limited to the 500k size print run? or can I go by the old terms when I bought my package that I thought was unlimited.
And how are you going to police that?

As it's a contract between FT and the end user it is most likely that FT would have to honour the contract.

I can't see that once the sold images under the "unlimited print run" clause they could then rescind that.

That is correct.  If an image was purchased prior to the change of the license the original license will be valid for that particular file. 

-Mat

« Reply #147 on: April 28, 2014, 15:51 »
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Hi All,

I can tell you with 100% confidence that the Fotolia team cares very much for the photographers and respects your opinions and feedback.  Your concerns about being in Dollar Photo Club have been heard and Ive been told that soon an option for contributors to choose will be made available to all Fotolia contributors. In the meantime if you do not want your images sold through Dollar Photo Club send your request via a Fotolia customer support  ticket and you will be manually removed.

A couple of points of interest.  Contrary to what has been posted earlier in this thread, every dollar spent by a Dollar Photo Club member goes towards a download.  Every image downloaded at DPC is paid to the artist through Fotolia immediately.  Monthly members pay $10 per month and receive 10 downloads.  Annual members pay $99 and receive 99 downloads.  Each of those downloads pay a commission to the contributing artist. 
 
Something you may not have considered is that the Dollar Photo Club membership actually is more beneficial to the contributors than traditional subscriptions.  In a traditional subscription if the sub expires, unused downloads also expire. As a result, no commission is paid.  At Dollar Photo Club, even after a member cancels their subscription they can use their unused downloads. As a result, a higher percentage of money spent goes to the photographer. 

Another misconception is the license.  The license sold via Dollar Photo Club is a Standard license.  Members that need Extended licenses are referred to Fotolia to purchase them.  Soon an Extended License will be made available to Dollar Photo Club members at rates similar to those at Fotolia.
 
The simple truth of the matter is this.  The only way for Fotolia and/or Dollar Photo Club to be successful is for the contributors to be successful.  Regardless of what has been written in msg, the interests of FT and of the contributors are aligned.  The goal for all parties involved is to drive sales.  Dollar Photo Club has already proven to be successful and has resulted in many sales paid out to contributors.  The site will continue to grow and to push sales in a positive direction for all of us. 

-Mat Hayward

I have to say I'm really disappointed that this post from Mat was marked down so many times it has been made 'invisible'. Mat's only trying to help us here by clarifying the issues and I appreciate his efforts in doing so.

Let's not 'shoot the messenger' so to speak just because we disagree with FT's somewhat desperate new policies.

« Reply #148 on: April 28, 2014, 16:00 »
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Press release from Fotolia saying they're expanding to other countries because of this stinker's success

http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/16/112677.html


Shocking. It seems to me that FT have accepted that they have lost the battle to dominate the microstock market ... so they thought they'd use our images to invent the "nanostock" model.

The use of the phrase "disruptive offering" means exactly what it says. Having lost out to SS they are now, quite literally, trying to destroy microstock itself.

« Reply #149 on: April 28, 2014, 16:10 »
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Hi All,

I can tell you with 100% confidence that the Fotolia team cares very much for the photographers and respects your opinions and feedback. 

-Mat Hayward

I didn't notice much about that. You don't even care about to inform us about changes. Is it so difficult to send E-Mail to the photographers? Nobody cared about our opinion about opt out for subscriptions. It was similar story as now: Fotolia promised 20% more downloads.  :o  Bad joke guys.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2014, 16:26 by Savo »


 

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