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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2014, 21:14 »
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I've never like Fotolia - the upload is hard, they don't like my travel shots etc. etc. but I have stuck with them. Without an opt-out, I will leave and take my 2800 images with me

Steve


« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2014, 04:26 »
+4
Let's get heard! We should spread the message on social networks. I guess the chance of making an impact on the people of Fotolia is bigger by spreading the word on social networks.

Retweet the newest tweet here: https://twitter.com/Ammentorp or make your own tweet or Facebook update!

« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2014, 04:58 »
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The deadline is too short.  Many contributors outside Russia know nothing yet from the D-day!

i also think that we need more time to gather our forces!

Its a great project thank you for that and 100% support from me.
We are all strong together. Social Media we should also use.
We are many and together have more skills and labor force than any single agency.

« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2014, 05:31 »
+9
Another low for the industry. Shame on you, Fotolia! That's why agencies like Stocksy will experience growth in numbers and clients -- high value images and satisfied photographers is the way to go.

« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2014, 05:35 »
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What if one day Shutterstock decides to lower its prices/commission? What then?

« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2014, 05:50 »
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looking forward to see top contributors signing the petition, its looks like most small fish have no problem and will remove or stop uploading new content but and as usual the top guys will stick with it, that is why this won't go anywhere, every time we try and pull something the big ones have great excuses like massive expenses, mortgages, kids, dogs, cats and parrots!

Dook

« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2014, 05:54 »
+12
How will Fotolia benefit from this in a long run? I think if it's not good for contibutor it's not good for them neither. They are making a desperate move again.

« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2014, 06:02 »
+2
looking forward to see top contributors signing the petition, its looks like most small fish have no problem and will remove or stop uploading new content but and as usual the top guys will stick with it, that is why this won't go anywhere, every time we try and pull something the big ones have great excuses like massive expenses, mortgages, kids, dogs, cats and parrots!

I am not a big fish but microstock pays my loan (not big bug still 300 USD a month) and I even manage to tuck something away (I have a regular daytime job). Photographers should really come together or else the future does not look bright. Yes, I know -- crowdsourcing is doomed but we can still achieve something together.

« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2014, 06:06 »
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looking forward to see top contributors signing the petition, its looks like most small fish have no problem and will remove or stop uploading new content but and as usual the top guys will stick with it, that is why this won't go anywhere, every time we try and pull something the big ones have great excuses like massive expenses, mortgages, kids, dogs, cats and parrots!

I am not a big fish but microstock pays my loan (not big bug still 300 USD a month) and I even manage to tuck something away (I have a regular daytime job). Photographers should really come together or else the future does not look bright. Yes, I know -- crowdsourcing is doomed but we can still achieve something together.

which means you are out!

other will quit because they don't have rent or bills to pay ::)

« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2014, 06:26 »
+12
I quit years ago when I completely lost trust in their honesty, so I can only wish you guys success.  If all the big-hitters pulled out then I guess a lot of buyers would migrate to other sites, that's a lot to hope for .... but, hey, they've already undermined "emeralds" earnings by demoting them in the search, haven't they? And if they succeed in boosting their market share with this subs system then they'll start * (wow! su ck ing is a banned word!) your earnings out of not just Fot but the other agencies, too. Maybe there wouldn't be any net loss in dumping them to preserve sales elsewhere.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2014, 06:30 by BaldricksTrousers »

« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2014, 06:32 »
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looking forward to see top contributors signing the petition, its looks like most small fish have no problem and will remove or stop uploading new content but and as usual the top guys will stick with it, that is why this won't go anywhere, every time we try and pull something the big ones have great excuses like massive expenses, mortgages, kids, dogs, cats and parrots!


Thats what happened at istock. Most of those who didnt even take down photos but at least committed to not uploading any more were back to uploading shortly after.


I wish the best for this project, but there are too many millions of photographers who think its better to get a penny for a photo rather than nothing at all.


I bailed out of fotolia a couple of years ago because of shenanigans otherwise i would support this. Good luck, i hope it accomplishes something good for contributors.

« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2014, 09:22 »
-1
Thats what happened at istock. Most of those who didnt even take down photos but at least committed to not uploading any more were back to uploading shortly after.

exactly, another mission impossible where again the ones that keep on uploading will get advantage in the short run and perhaps all the way, they should at least thank us!
« Last Edit: April 27, 2014, 09:26 by luissantos84 »

Dook

« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2014, 11:36 »
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I'm afraid no contibutor will get advantage here.

« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2014, 12:27 »
-16
Hi All,

I can tell you with 100% confidence that the Fotolia team cares very much for the photographers and respects your opinions and feedback.  Your concerns about being in Dollar Photo Club have been heard and Ive been told that soon an option for contributors to choose will be made available to all Fotolia contributors. In the meantime if you do not want your images sold through Dollar Photo Club send your request via a Fotolia customer support  ticket and you will be manually removed.

A couple of points of interest.  Contrary to what has been posted earlier in this thread, every dollar spent by a Dollar Photo Club member goes towards a download.  Every image downloaded at DPC is paid to the artist through Fotolia immediately.  Monthly members pay $10 per month and receive 10 downloads.  Annual members pay $99 and receive 99 downloads.  Each of those downloads pay a commission to the contributing artist. 
 
Something you may not have considered is that the Dollar Photo Club membership actually is more beneficial to the contributors than traditional subscriptions.  In a traditional subscription if the sub expires, unused downloads also expire. As a result, no commission is paid.  At Dollar Photo Club, even after a member cancels their subscription they can use their unused downloads. As a result, a higher percentage of money spent goes to the photographer. 

Another misconception is the license.  The license sold via Dollar Photo Club is a Standard license.  Members that need Extended licenses are referred to Fotolia to purchase them.  Soon an Extended License will be made available to Dollar Photo Club members at rates similar to those at Fotolia.
 
The simple truth of the matter is this.  The only way for Fotolia and/or Dollar Photo Club to be successful is for the contributors to be successful.  Regardless of what has been written in msg, the interests of FT and of the contributors are aligned.  The goal for all parties involved is to drive sales.  Dollar Photo Club has already proven to be successful and has resulted in many sales paid out to contributors.  The site will continue to grow and to push sales in a positive direction for all of us. 

-Mat Hayward

« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2014, 12:53 »
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Quote
Something you may not have considered is that the Dollar Photo Club membership actually is more beneficial to the contributors than traditional subscriptions.  In a traditional subscription if the sub expires, unused downloads also expire. As a result, no commission is paid.  At Dollar Photo Club, even after a member cancels their subscription they can use their unused downloads. As a result, a higher percentage of money spent goes to the photographer. 

Yeah, a higher percentage of money spent will go to the contributor. However, the amount of money spent will be way lesser than with the usual on-demand model.
And if you multiply 0.2X by 2 you will still get 0.4X vs traditional on-demand sales X.
So this model is by no means better for contributors.
And by the way, you can not call DPC model a subscription. It is on-demand because this "subscription" never expires and allows buyer to buy images whenever they want. This model is on-demand model with huge discount and nothing else.

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Another misconception is the license.  The license sold via Dollar Photo Club is a Standard license.  Members that need Extended licenses are referred to Fotolia to purchase them.  Soon an Extended License will be made available to Dollar Photo Club members at rates similar to those at Fotolia.

Wrong. It is pretty easy to compare Standard Fotolia license and DPC license. There is huge difference between them.
DPC license is way more similar to Extended license than to Standard license.

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The simple truth of the matter is this.  The only way for Fotolia and/or Dollar Photo Club to be successful is for the contributors to be successful.  Regardless of what has been written in msg, the interests of FT and of the contributors are aligned.  The goal for all parties involved is to drive sales.  Dollar Photo Club has already proven to be successful and has resulted in many sales paid out to contributors.  The site will continue to grow and to push sales in a positive direction for all of us. 

Wrong. DPC is an attempt to get greater share of the same market by dumping. It does not increase the market size.
You will receive more money on Fotolia with DPC, yes. But you will lose way more earnings on other agencies because noone will buy images there if they can buy same images for 1$ on DPC.
So contributors will lose money overall.


« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2014, 13:48 »
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In the meantime if you do not want your images sold through Dollar Photo Club send your request via a Fotolia customer support  ticket and you will be manually removed.


I wrote fotolia support and was told that I would have to deactivate my images if I wanted them removed from Dollar Photo Club.  Has that policy changed?

« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2014, 13:53 »
+13

In the meantime if you do not want your images sold through Dollar Photo Club send your request via a Fotolia customer support  ticket and you will be manually removed.


I wrote fotolia support and was told that I would have to deactivate my images if I wanted them removed from Dollar Photo Club.  Has that policy changed?

Please don't believe to this lie.
Some of contributors already sent such requests and their requests were not satisfied. They have received more of these ignorant lies that "DPC is for the great good of all contributors" and after 3 more e-mails their works are still available at DPC.

Also note that even if some of most active contributors will be able to get through this and remove their portfolio from DPC the overall situation will not become better and eventually we all will find the market dead because of this race to the bottom.

mlwinphoto

« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2014, 13:57 »
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The site will continue to grow and to push sales in a positive direction for all of us. 

Who is "us"??

« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2014, 14:07 »
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The site will continue to grow and to push sales in a positive direction for all of us. 

Who is "us"??

Who are you?

« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2014, 14:08 »
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In the meantime if you do not want your images sold through Dollar Photo Club send your request via a Fotolia customer support  ticket and you will be manually removed.


I wrote fotolia support and was told that I would have to deactivate my images if I wanted them removed from Dollar Photo Club.  Has that policy changed?


Yes.

« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2014, 14:10 »
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The site will continue to grow and to push sales in a positive direction for all of us. 


Who is "us"??


I am a contributor with a vested interest in overall sales growth.  Here are my FT portfolios: 

http://us.fotolia.com/p/19000

http://us.fotolia.com/p/200920505
« Last Edit: April 27, 2014, 14:14 by MatHayward »

mlwinphoto

« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2014, 14:45 »
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The site will continue to grow and to push sales in a positive direction for all of us. 

Who is "us"??

Who are you?

Who wants to know?

BTW: you can click on that little 'M' at the bottom of my post and see who I am, at least what I'm willing to share.  Your turn.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2014, 15:12 by mlwinphoto »

mlwinphoto

« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2014, 14:58 »
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The site will continue to grow and to push sales in a positive direction for all of us. 


Who is "us"??


I am a contributor with a vested interest in overall sales growth.  Here are my FT portfolios: 

http://us.fotolia.com/p/19000

http://us.fotolia.com/p/200920505


Nice port.  I was asking because I'm curious as to whether you think moves like this are good for the agency, the contributor, and/or the industry as a whole?
I can see it benefiting the agency but I have my doubts about the last two, particularly the industry as a whole.
I was considering joining Fotolia, not so sure now.....just asking questions to see where you guys are coming from.

« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2014, 15:07 »
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In the meantime if you do not want your images sold through Dollar Photo Club send your request via a Fotolia customer support  ticket and you will be manually removed.


I wrote fotolia support and was told that I would have to deactivate my images if I wanted them removed from Dollar Photo Club.  Has that policy changed?


Yes.

At this point Matt's response is accurate.  I just asked to be opted out and this is FT's response.

"Dollar Photo Club is an excellent way to drive traffic to your portfolio and increase sales. Sales on Dollar Photo Club result in an immediate subscription commission to your Fotolia account. That being said, we respect your decision to opt out at this time and your request in being processed.

Please allow up to 3 business days for your portfolio to be removed and be sure to let us know should you change your mind.

Kind regards,

Fotolia CS USA"


We'll see what happens, but this only happened because of the uproar, not because they were always crafting an opt out option. It is a small win for us artists at least.


« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2014, 15:22 »
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Same here - that was fast. Seems like that industry is not driven by robots after all.


 

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