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Dook

« Reply #925 on: May 12, 2014, 09:01 »
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« Reply #926 on: May 12, 2014, 09:11 »
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This is why we can't have nice things.

stocked

« Reply #927 on: May 12, 2014, 09:54 »
+26
Good ol`Oleg nearly swallowed his cigar now because of laughing. :(

DCP is a very bad move for whole industry just because of sheer market-share greed. We shouldn't fight each other we should fight for better conditions, prices and faire commissions.

« Reply #928 on: May 12, 2014, 10:03 »
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Maybe we should open a new thread with different title about the way and the importance of opting out of this awful DPC thing, so the occasional forum visitor has more chance to notice.
I learned about DPC in this thread, opted out of DPC when the option was introduced, and supported the deactivation day.
But for many days before i was seeing this thread and I didn't read it, as I was pretty happy with my Fotolia sales, and the title didn't make me realize what is it about.
Also the date "May 1" can discourage some people from reading this thread.

OM

« Reply #929 on: May 12, 2014, 10:03 »
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The only good business reason for not opting out of DPC as far as I can see is that the 'DPC-deniers' have >90% of all sales across all micro agencies as subs payments and that DPC offers yet another outlet for extra subs-price sales.

If not, then staying in does not make business sense and that some other, hitherto undivulged, argument must be in play when you try to convince others to stay in.

lisafx

« Reply #930 on: May 12, 2014, 12:27 »
-4
From my perspective, when Getty allowed Google Drive to give away thousands of images for free, and then decided to give 35 million images away to bloggers for free, it was game over for microstock producers.   We are all on borrowed time since then,  whether or not we opt in to DPC.

To paraphrase one of Gostwyck's expressions, we are all just fighting about how to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic at this point.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 12:30 by lisafx »

EmberMike

« Reply #931 on: May 12, 2014, 12:32 »
+22
i'm not in this business for hearts, but for money...

Same here. And I hope to continue the be able to make money doing this for several more years. But that's not possible if I can only earn subscription royalties on individual $1 sales with just a $10 minimum buy-in required of customers.

...with 8 years of positive experience, we do trust major marketplaces we work with, regarding their marketing efforts.

it's up to you or anyone else to be opted-in or opted-out. none of my business...

This is unlike anything you've seen in 8 years, I guarantee that. This isn't microstock, it's something entirely different. And of course it's entirely your decision to participate or not, but please don't look at this as just another microstock offering.

...i'm asking you to get some understanding about people who leads the boycott.

if someone is blindfolded by witch hunt now and sees no reason to check "alliance" background - it's ok. like i already said, don't pretend you were unwarned later.

I'm not part of any boycott alliance or anything like that. I, like a lot of folks here, made my decision based on the facts and how I interpreted them. It's not herd mentality. It's math, for me at least. I look at this offer, these prices, and the royalties associated with them, and I start to think that I may need to start looking for another way to make a living if this succeeds.

EmberMike

« Reply #932 on: May 12, 2014, 12:44 »
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From my perspective, when Getty allowed Google Drive to give away thousands of images for free, and then decided to give 35 million images away to bloggers for free, it was game over for microstock producers.   We are all on borrowed time since then,  whether or not we opt in to DPC.

To paraphrase one of Gostwyck's expressions, we are all just fighting about how to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic at this point.

I'm going to try not to sound like a jerk asking this, but... why are you still here then? If it's over, why bother? The only thing worse than rearranging the deck chairs on the microstock Titanic would be wasting time in an Internet forum talking about rearranging the deck chairs.

And why speed up the sinking? To overuse the Titanic analogy once more, why punch more holes in the ship?

I plan to still be doing this years from now. I've got nothing else lined up, so I hope I can keep at this for a while longer anyway. And I suspect that everyone here has the same hope, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Even for the most pessimistic of us, there would be no point in discussing any of this if there really was no hope of changing anything in this business.

« Reply #933 on: May 12, 2014, 12:52 »
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From my perspective, when Getty allowed Google Drive to give away thousands of images for free, and then decided to give 35 million images away to bloggers for free, it was game over for microstock producers.   We are all on borrowed time since then,  whether or not we opt in to DPC.

To paraphrase one of Gostwyck's expressions, we are all just fighting about how to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic at this point.

I'm going to try not to sound like a jerk asking this, but... why are you still here then? If it's over, why bother? The only thing worse than rearranging the deck chairs on the microstock Titanic would be wasting time in an Internet forum talking about rearranging the deck chairs.

And why speed up the sinking? To overuse the Titanic analogy once more, why punch more holes in the ship?

I plan to still be doing this years from now. I've got nothing else lined up, so I hope I can keep at this for a while longer anyway. And I suspect that everyone here has the same hope, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Even for the most pessimistic of us, there would be no point in discussing any of this if there really was no hope of changing anything in this business.

I don't know which of you is right but I do think it's over-optimistic not to prepare for the worst.
I've always had an exit strategy. The longer my earnings keep going (and I'm actually small fry compared with a lot of you "high-comm-value" guys) the better, but I've always had an eye on the day it all slides away.
Maybe I'm just one of nature's pessimists.

Dook

« Reply #934 on: May 12, 2014, 13:26 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 13:33 by Dook »

« Reply #935 on: May 12, 2014, 14:35 »
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Let us remind what was most important on topic.

Search: People            
Fotolia   DPC   Difference      
3588726   2884164   704562   19,6%   
3589256   2878628   710628   19,8%   
3591601   2871059   720542   20,1%   
3596787   2837190   759597   21,1%   
3611176   2701936   909240   25,2%   LAST
            
Search: Food            
Fotolia   DPC   Difference      
3793314   3114815   678499   17,9%   
3793491   3106698   686793   18,1%   
3796849   3098097   698752   18,4%   
3804036   3074552   729484   19,2%   
3815427   2947655   867772   22,7%   LAST
            
Search: Nature            
Fotolia   DPC   Difference      
4457751   3618574   839177   18,8%   
4464918   3594315   870603   19,5%   
4469580   3581103   888477   19,9%   
4487254   3501574   985680   22,0%   LAST
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 14:37 by jarih »

Shelma1

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« Reply #936 on: May 12, 2014, 15:07 »
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Am I reading that right...is it close to a million images difference in some categories? Does that mean more than a million have been opted out?

lisafx

« Reply #937 on: May 12, 2014, 15:14 »
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From my perspective, when Getty allowed Google Drive to give away thousands of images for free, and then decided to give 35 million images away to bloggers for free, it was game over for microstock producers.   We are all on borrowed time since then,  whether or not we opt in to DPC.

To paraphrase one of Gostwyck's expressions, we are all just fighting about how to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic at this point.

I'm going to try not to sound like a jerk asking this, but... why are you still here then? If it's over, why bother? The only thing worse than rearranging the deck chairs on the microstock Titanic would be wasting time in an Internet forum talking about rearranging the deck chairs.

And why speed up the sinking? To overuse the Titanic analogy once more, why punch more holes in the ship?

I plan to still be doing this years from now. I've got nothing else lined up, so I hope I can keep at this for a while longer anyway. And I suspect that everyone here has the same hope, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Even for the most pessimistic of us, there would be no point in discussing any of this if there really was no hope of changing anything in this business.

I think you will find I have posted very little in this thread, and mostly to answer questions directed to me and references about me. 

Good luck with stretching this out as long as you can.  I'm doing the same.  We just disagree about the best strategy to do that.  To reference your post above, I'm making my decisions based on the facts and how I interpret them.

As for not having a backup plan to earn a living, I hope if you have a family relying on you that you come up with one, even if you never have to use it.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 15:26 by lisafx »

« Reply #938 on: May 12, 2014, 15:14 »
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Am I reading that right...is it close to a million images difference in some categories? Does that mean more than a million have been opted out?

For those keywords yes.

I was following the search for "background". In the beginning it had about 8.5 million results on DPC, now it only 6,414,925.

« Reply #939 on: May 12, 2014, 15:22 »
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Am I reading that right...is it close to a million images difference in some categories? Does that mean more than a million have been opted out?

Dollarphotoclub: 21 802 109 images (appr)
Fotolia: 28 126 945

« Reply #940 on: May 12, 2014, 15:26 »
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Over 6 million images opted out?

The numbers opted out are very interesting, because it gives us an idea how many of the actively producing artist keep following the news in the industry. I dont think that the majority of the content of any of the agencies would ever disappear because so much of the content consists of legacy files and old portfolios that are no longer being updated. I have always wondered how many files that could be. If 25% of the content has been opted out of dpc then how many of the currently active contributors have opted out?

For instance if 50% of the content is old legacy content it would mean that half the active artists have opted out. If the legacy content is just 20% it would be a much smaller group.

Fotolia will know that of course and hopefully they and other agencies will simply be more careful in the future. Give us honest information and opt in or opt out options from the beginning and let us make our own decisions. Convince us with solid arguments for your business ventures and dont go behind our backs.

Fotolia is an agency that is earning many people a reliable income. I hope they keep investing in Fotolia as well and wont ignore it in favor of DPC.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 15:28 by cobalt »

EmberMike

« Reply #941 on: May 12, 2014, 15:29 »
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Dollarphotoclub: 21 802 109 images (appr)
Fotolia: 28 126 945

Whoa. Over 6 million images? Is that really possible?

« Reply #942 on: May 12, 2014, 15:34 »
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Dollarphotoclub: 21 802 109 images (appr)
Fotolia: 28 126 945

Whoa. Over 6 million images? Is that really possible?

My script counts total qty of images in categories of DPC every hour. If you need detailed stats by categories for past days - i can try to make new stats.
Anyway i'm afraid that 6kk opted-out aren't opt-out in May durind D-day. I think some of big agency and stockers was opted out from start of DPC.

EmberMike

« Reply #943 on: May 12, 2014, 15:35 »
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...Good luck with stretching this out as long as you can.  I'm doing the same.  We just disagree about the best strategy to do that.  To reference your post above, I'm making my decisions based on the facts and how I interpret them...

Can I ask what your interpretation is? I mean other than that DPC is an ok thing to be a part of. What made you decide to stick with it?

...As for not having a backup plan to earn a living, I hope if you have a family relying on you that you come up with one, even if you never have to use it.

Well, I have a backup plan to survive, which is basically "get a job". I could always go back into the graphic design business, either freelancing or as an employee. I guess when I said that I don't have anything else lined up, that was to say that as far as the stock image business goes I don't have anything else going on. I'm working on some more artistic high-end illustration work, stuff that I'd direct at higher-priced collections like Stocksy, Offset, etc. But it's just wishful thinking at this point.

EmberMike

« Reply #944 on: May 12, 2014, 15:38 »
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My script counts total qty of images in categories of DPC every hour. If you need detailed stats by categories for past days - i can try to make new stats.
Anyway i'm afraid that 6kk opted-out aren't opt-out in May durind D-day. I think some of big agency and stockers was opted out from start of DPC.

That's amazing. Not that I'm doubting your numbers, just that so many images have been opted out. Honestly I didn't expect to see this much momentum behind opt-outs. I never thought that we'd ever see the DPC total go below 20 million, but at this rate it's very possible.

« Reply #945 on: May 12, 2014, 15:39 »
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Didn't Fotolia purchase some content a few years ago?  Can't remember which library it was but those files would NEVER be deleted, the percentage of active participants may appear to be quite a bit lower if those libraries were struck out.

lisafx

« Reply #946 on: May 12, 2014, 15:55 »
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...Good luck with stretching this out as long as you can.  I'm doing the same.  We just disagree about the best strategy to do that.  To reference your post above, I'm making my decisions based on the facts and how I interpret them...

Can I ask what your interpretation is? I mean other than that DPC is an ok thing to be a part of. What made you decide to stick with it?


I've pretty much already explained my thoughts on this, and I don't expect to convince anyone, nor do I want to be drawn into a long exchange about it, because as you already pointed out, it's a waste of time.  Since you seem genuinely curious:

1. Micro stock was over when Getty started giving everything away for free.
2. .37 beats the he11 out of .28, and even more so out of free.
3.  I hope Fotolia will offer improvements.
4.  I make business decisions based on careful consideration and not group pressure.

Anyone is free to disagree.  You won't find me attacking or judging anyone who has looked at the situation and come to different conclusions.

Let the negatives commence. ;)

OM

« Reply #947 on: May 12, 2014, 15:57 »
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Didn't Fotolia purchase some content a few years ago?  Can't remember which library it was but those files would NEVER be deleted, the percentage of active participants may appear to be quite a bit lower if those libraries were struck out.

I'm pretty sure that Fotolia has a large number of bought in archives in their 'infinity' collection as they often insert 5 or more into every page of search. Some of that stuff also looks dated and must be legacy images. No way will that be in their DPC available files....prices for XXL are often $300+.
It's RF, Jim but not as we know it!  :)

« Reply #948 on: May 12, 2014, 15:59 »
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Over 6 million images opted out?

The numbers opted out are very interesting, because it gives us an idea how many of the actively producing artist keep following the news in the industry.

I dont think that the majority of the content of any of the agencies would ever disappear because so much of the content consists of legacy files and old portfolios that are no longer being updated. I have always wondered how many files that could be. If 25% of the content has been opted out of dpc then how many of the currently active contributors have opted out?

For instance if 50% of the content is old legacy content it would mean that half the active artists have opted out. If the legacy content is just 20% it would be a much smaller group.

Fotolia will know that of course and hopefully they and other agencies will simply be more careful in the future. Give us honest information and opt in or opt out options from the beginning and let us make our own decisions. Convince us with solid arguments for your business ventures and dont go behind our backs.

Fotolia is an agency that is earning many people a reliable income. I hope they keep investing in Fotolia as well and wont ignore it in favor of DPC.

I think the majority of contributors who do not keep up to date with changes within the micro industry are far more likely to submit content that is LCV.  With a few exceptions contributors with HCV images are far more likely to keep abreast of site changes and as we are seeing with DPC they are choosing to opt out. The quality content available on DPC is likely to drop drastically as a result.

« Reply #949 on: May 12, 2014, 16:01 »
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but at this rate it's very possible.

it's also known as herd behavior :)


 

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