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« Reply #200 on: August 27, 2011, 19:01 »

The "stop uploading new images" drive seems like a great way to suffocate a greedy website slowly but surely. Their customers will pick the lack of new content up and move to other sites. BUT, how many contributors are represented on this website who will actively participate in such a drive, compare to the total number of contributors. If the drive is only from us here, it might not even dent their new uploads that much. How to get a large proportion of their contributors to participate, I think, is the challenge......

It will be a slow process as many FT contributors have complained for months of lack of views/sale of their newly uploaded work!


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« Reply #201 on: August 27, 2011, 19:33 »

The "stop uploading new images" drive seems like a great way to suffocate a greedy website slowly but surely. Their customers will pick the lack of new content up and move to other sites. BUT, how many contributors are represented on this website who will actively participate in such a drive, compare to the total number of contributors. If the drive is only from us here, it might not even dent their new uploads that much. How to get a large proportion of their contributors to participate, I think, is the challenge......

You're not wrong!  They seem to have almost as many images as SS, possibly a similar number of contributors numbering 100s of thousands.  Using the DT rank here as a guide to possible number of independents on this site we're talking in the region of 600.  Of those only 40 have 10,000+ (lifetime) sales and 200+ have no sales.  All of the top 40 "going on strike" may have a minor impact, as for the rest of us, they wouldn't even notice...


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« Reply #202 on: August 27, 2011, 20:03 »

They have enough contributors that that can absorb "dead loss" in the millions.  I know of several significant MS contributors who are permanently banned from FT.  And FT could care less. I mean CARE * LESS. If you stop uploading, they skmply don't care.


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« Reply #203 on: August 28, 2011, 00:00 »

Stop uploading might not influence them fast, but it is a d*mn side better than doing nothing.......(at least it will start sending them a small message about their future if there might be a significant drop in new material due to their pricing and payment policy.......perhaps just a seed of doubt might have a decision influence).

Any other ideas or are they just so big and bad that the "little" fish can not bite them at all?  Undecided
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« Reply #204 on: August 28, 2011, 05:35 »

Mind you, considering the mentality of some new contributors to FT, you have to wonder whether their supply of newbie hopefuls will ever dry up. Recently, I saw one complaint on the FT forum of a newbie who had submitted an image which was promptly rejected for sale. Their complaint was not that it had been rejected but that after 2 days it wasn't even visible in the 'FREE' section despite their having ticked the box 'Place in free section in the event of rejection.'  Grin


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« Reply #205 on: August 29, 2011, 04:14 »

I think cutting commissions hits sties more than they anticipate.  They get less traffic, as more of us encourages buyers to look elsewhere.  I presume that hits them with google search?  Their competitors get more new images and that should make their collections more appealing to buyers.

For a site that has already seen a decline in sales for lots of us, if the poll here is accurate, they are taking a big gamble.  They might make more money short term but that seems like a bad decision if it lets their competitors overtake them.

So perhaps we don't have to take any action?  Shutterstock is getting better for sales all the time and all the sites that have cut my commissions are in decline.


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« Reply #206 on: August 29, 2011, 05:18 »

I think cutting commissions hits sties more than they anticipate.  They get less traffic, as more of us encourages buyers to look elsewhere.  I presume that hits them with google search?  Their competitors get more new images and that should make their collections more appealing to buyers.

For a site that has already seen a decline in sales for lots of us, if the poll here is accurate, they are taking a big gamble.  They might make more money short term but that seems like a bad decision if it lets their competitors overtake them.

So perhaps we don't have to take any action?  Shutterstock is getting better for sales all the time and all the sites that have cut my commissions are in decline.
Sorry, but I am struggling to get your point. On the one hand you say the infringing sites will get less tragic because "more of us encourages buyers to look elsewhere" and "their competitors get more new images" (I assume both those situations will be created due to actions by us), yet you state "So perhaps we don't have to take action"?
 


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« Reply #207 on: August 30, 2011, 01:48 »

Well let's be fair here to the companies that don't cut rates. This isn't a microstock industry-wide epidemic. We're talking about a few companies out of many.


Saying that that just a few companies cut rates is not true since everybody knows that in the economy based on inflation you would have to increase at least 5% of the salary every year to have the result of 'no change'. So all photographers getting no raise of the income during several years experience actually a decline of real profitability of their business...
Saying that there are just few 'bad businesses' and that 'This isn't a microstock industry-wide epidemic' does not make big sense since we all see the same process everywhere and we see the idea on which this business is based: it is based on making the photo image FOR FREE from the point of view of big business. How else would you call the price of the 36 cents per immage while creating commercial advertisement worth sometimes 1000, sometimes 100 000 times more?Huh

What do you think from what kind of logic the price of 36 cents came? What kind of 'rationale' stands behind this price? Why does it not coast for ex 5 cents? or 1 cent? For me it is absurd to charge corporate bussines 36 cents per picture - its simply humiliating. And it shows! As I said before, the marketings of big corporations dont treat photography as something valuable anymore... its simply a trash that you 'get from the Internet' just like this!
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« Reply #208 on: August 30, 2011, 02:17 »

what kind of economic 'rationale' stands behind renting a studio space, investing in digital photo eqiupment, hiring 6 models and builing a stage for 'office' shooting, investing in computer hardware and software and than giving the photo to some gigant multibilion dollar business for 36 cents?Huh

The answer is simple: majority of stock photographers dont rent a studio space, use their 'own private holiday photo equipment', use 'pirat' version of photoshop and as models use theire family members or friends happy to be 'part of it for free'...

another words commercial culture managed to mobilized great masses of amator photographers to engage in commercial activities without any rational economical base on which any well prosperous and developing business is grounded. And the ranking of the salaries on the right side of this page shows it clearly: the best selling stock pays 400 $ a month to a statistical photographer and other pay less than 20 $ a month.

Even the greatest guru of this business Yuri Arcurs says that he was happy to start his business in the 'right moment' because starting it today would be a problem...
« Last Edit: August 30, 2011, 02:34 by monti »

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