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« Reply #550 on: October 13, 2011, 06:30 »
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Lisa!  it seems the place all of a sudden is invaded by trade-union boyos. They want people to act on threats?  jeez! fancy if all countries sprung into action because of threats?

As I recall, the Bush Doctrine (also accepted by Obama) is that the US has a legal right to attack if it thinks that it might be under threat from another country. This replaced established law which was that a nation had the right to respond once it came under attack.

Not everyone agreed with Mr Bush's thinking, of course.


lisafx

« Reply #551 on: October 13, 2011, 09:51 »
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Not everyone agreed with Mr Bush's thinking, of course.

Very true.  Some of us even questioned whether it could be characterized as "thinking". 

lagereek

« Reply #552 on: October 13, 2011, 10:02 »
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Not everyone agreed with Mr Bush's thinking, of course.

Very true.  Some of us even questioned whether it could be characterized as "thinking". 

Even so, he had a point, " better to prevent then cure"  by the time you have to cure something, its often too late.

« Reply #553 on: October 13, 2011, 10:18 »
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Not everyone agreed with Mr Bush's thinking, of course.

Very true.  Some of us even questioned whether it could be characterized as "thinking". 

Even so, he had a point, " better to prevent then cure"  by the time you have to cure something, its often too late.

However, killing people off with medicine while trying to prevent an ailment that was never going to affect them is worse than pointless.

« Reply #554 on: October 13, 2011, 10:48 »
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Not everyone agreed with Mr Bush's thinking, of course.

Very true.  Some of us even questioned whether it could be characterized as "thinking". 

Even so, he had a point, " better to prevent then cure"  by the time you have to cure something, its often too late.

However, killing people off with medicine while trying to prevent an ailment that was never going to affect them is worse than pointless.

Just so...

« Reply #555 on: October 13, 2011, 11:53 »
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However, killing people off with medicine while trying to prevent an ailment that was never going to affect them is worse than pointless.


I was listening to a recent interview with former SAS soldier Chris Ryan ('the one that got away') from the Bravo Two Zero team in Gulf War I. At the end of GWI he and others had an audience with General 'Stormin Noman' Schwarzkopf. The obvious question came up as to why they hadn't carried on into Bagdad and toppled Saddam. Schwarzkopf replied that they'd thought about it but had concluded that without Saddam then Iraq would probably decend into a chaos of multiple opposing factions, religous zealots, etc and quite possibly civil war. In that condition they were far more likely to become a destabilising influence in the area, provide a haven for terroists and potentially present a danger to the West's interests.

But 10 years later George W Bush didn't 'think' any of that would happen ...

lagereek

« Reply #556 on: October 13, 2011, 12:06 »
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Not everyone agreed with Mr Bush's thinking, of course.

Very true.  Some of us even questioned whether it could be characterized as "thinking". 

Even so, he had a point, " better to prevent then cure"  by the time you have to cure something, its often too late.

However, killing people off with medicine while trying to prevent an ailment that was never going to affect them is worse than pointless.

I wasnt refering to the medical ethics.

« Reply #557 on: October 13, 2011, 12:40 »
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Not everyone agreed with Mr Bush's thinking, of course.

Very true.  Some of us even questioned whether it could be characterized as "thinking". 

Even so, he had a point, " better to prevent then cure"  by the time you have to cure something, its often too late.

However, killing people off with medicine while trying to prevent an ailment that was never going to affect them is worse than pointless.

I wasnt refering to the medical ethics.

Neither was I.

« Reply #558 on: October 13, 2011, 12:44 »
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Not everyone agreed with Mr Bush's thinking, of course.

Very true.  Some of us even questioned whether it could be characterized as "thinking".  

Even so, he had a point, " better to prevent then cure"  by the time you have to cure something, its often too late.

Prevention is better than cure, so long as the 'intelligence' is up to scratch. I'm talking about ft of course.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2011, 12:46 by Microstock Posts »

CD123

« Reply #559 on: October 13, 2011, 14:01 »
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OK, so final conclusion, the American troops should invade Fotolia, remove the threat by toppling the management, get the contributors to vote for new Fotolia management, admit that they could not find evidence that Fotolia would have went through with the threat, withdraw their troops and start focusing on another website which might be a threat. 

Can the Subject now please be changed to include the words "The war against....."

« Reply #560 on: October 14, 2011, 09:25 »
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I finally decided to pull all of my troops (I mean images) home. I just requested FT to cancel my account and remove all my images I hadn't already deleted. Looking back at my submission records show me that they had consistently rejected good images and contributed too little sales-wise to my earnings. I'd rather not have to face any more contributor humiliation at their hands.

« Reply #561 on: October 14, 2011, 11:12 »
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OK, so final conclusion, the American troops should invade Fotolia, remove the threat by toppling the management, get the contributors to vote for new Fotolia management, admit that they could not find evidence that Fotolia would have went through with the threat, withdraw their troops and start focusing on another website which might be a threat. 

Can the Subject now please be changed to include the words "The war against....."
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« Reply #562 on: October 14, 2011, 11:30 »
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I finally decided to pull all of my troops (I mean images) home. I just requested FT to cancel my account and remove all my images I hadn't already deleted. Looking back at my submission records show me that they had consistently rejected good images and contributed too little sales-wise to my earnings. I'd rather not have to face any more contributor humiliation at their hands.

Bravo!

« Reply #563 on: October 14, 2011, 15:50 »
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any more contributor humiliation

That's an apt phrase. I pulled out of FO last year. Just really wasn't worth the space on the spreadsheet. I do have a couple of micro friends that are still on, and some of the rejections they get there are absurd.

« Reply #564 on: October 16, 2011, 15:32 »
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Alright, so having been confused at the beginning, I am now in the clear (hopefully).
This is what happened:
Fotolia is losing sales and going down the ranks.
Deposit Photos is a relatively new agency, it is aggressive, it is successful and it's climbing up.
It also pays and treats contributors in a much fairer way than Fotolia.
Fotolia feels threatened.
And they find no other solution to the problem but to employ the tactics of bullies.
All that jazz about 'saving the industry, for the good of contributors and agencies alike' is nothing but smoke.
Shame on you Fotolia! Shame on you!

It doesn't apply to me, (at my bronze level Deposit Photos pays me more), but in any case, I like doing business with Deposit Photos a lot better than with Fotolia and I will never drop them.
Now or ever.
I like them.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2011, 15:33 by Eireann »

saniphoto

« Reply #565 on: October 17, 2011, 11:13 »
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You know Fotolia and Photoxpress are the same company, right?

So maybe Fotolia will send you back to white if they sell your images for nothing on Photoxpress.

Yeah that was exactly my point. Fotolia is the agency that's been leading the charge with "free image" sites, discounting & dodgy partner deals where its impossible to know what or whether you're even being paid for images that are sold.

I think this point is underestimated and would deserve a thread by itself. How is that possible to have FT giving away images like that at Photoexpress and pretend to act all offended by competitors playing with prices/commissions as they want? I am disgusted already by their policy to set images without sale for six months back to 1 credit... (BTW: how am I supposed to control then that they put it back?)
and in fact I have started to delete my good images that are put back at 1 credit. In this way they will be only available at DT and SS. Result: this month I see both of these agencies going up, when FT stay put, but I think it will not be for long... I am down in four months from 90 to 330 in weekly ranking.  Surely part my fault, but hardly motivated anymore with them and their weird policy with newer images.
I license more images from years 2006-2008 than from the three years after. Probably I didn't keep up with competition, I have considered also this aspect, but as said above, motivation is not anymore there for me at FT. I submit more exclusive material at DT and expand into video and macro territory (Alamy) as many others and for now is good in this way. FT is on my list as the next (and last) agency to abandon to his poor destiny.
 

fotorob

  • I am a professional stock photographer

« Reply #566 on: November 02, 2011, 12:35 »
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I answered the questions regarding the "print on demand" sales on sites like Pixers in my blog (originally in German, so here the automatic Google translation):
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de%2F2011%2F10%2F10%2Ffrag-den-fotograf-werden-fotolia-lizenzen-rechtmaessig-bei-pixers-verkauft%2F

Best regards,
Robert


 

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