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« on: December 20, 2017, 08:21 »
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Hello,

I've been a DT exclusive since about 2010 (you can start laughing your heads off right now)

4000+ images portfolio (half illustration, half pictures)

Until 2013 earnings were very decent.
During that year the earnings gradually dropped to half of what they used to be (despite a growing port and a growing number of sales)
Earnings remained "stable" afterwards. So I learned to get used to it.

Until July of this year, when -suddenly- earnings fell off the cliff entirely.
Struggling and just making the minimum payout amount every month now.

So I'm considering to drop my exclusivity. Long overdue I suppose.

However, I have a daytime job (not photography/illustration related) and have only 2 to 3 hours per week to start uploading to a (one?) new site.

Which one would be the best? One of the Big 4 mentioned here? What are the pros and cons of each of those 4 (upload process, treatment of contributors, earnings of recently uploaded images, ...)?

Thank you in advance.


« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2017, 09:01 »
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I would say Fotolia, Shutterstock and 123rf not necessary in this order.

« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2017, 09:16 »
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Dear Desdemona,

I want to reply you, but I have such a pain in my stomach.
Reason: as you already wrote LAUGHING, of course.

Whatever Merry x-mas.

Microstock Man

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2017, 09:44 »
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Hey desdemona, interesting to hear your experiences with DT exclusivity. Thanks for sharing, but sorry for the decline (seems not to be just DT, many agencies have declined lately).

I write about what I think are the best agencies to work with on my site https://www.microstockman.com which you may find useful.

But in a nutshell, I would say Shutterstock, Adobe/Fotolia, DepositPhotos, Alamy.

Personally, I wouldn't just try one as each persons portfolio has different success at different sites. If you have 3 hours a week I would spend 1 hour uploading to the first 3 I mentioned, and see which one begins showing the best results for your work.

Hope that helps.

« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2017, 10:58 »
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As a non-exclulsive - my earnings are down around 95% the past two months.  In fact, last month it was very close to being more than 100% due to refunds.  Times are good.  Times are bad.  I don't think exclusivity anywhere is a good idea, even if you start with a mutually beneficial contract, each agency changes it whenever they want to buy a new fleet of Mercedes.

« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2017, 11:02 »
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Exclusivity only makes sense when you are close to the owners and there are 200 photographers on the site. You will benefit from personal pitches, incredible visibility and good placements.

At the sites for the masses, don't even consider exclusivity today. It's very expensive.

steheap

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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2017, 11:13 »
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Why not submit them to multiple agencies? I wrote a blog post yesterday about how I upload to 16 different agencies with not much more effort that it takes to upload to one.
http://www.backyardsilver.com/2017/12/my-current-workflow/

I get about 66% of my earnings from the top 4 (SS, iStock, Alamy and Adobe) and then it tends to drop off quite quickly. I've 8 agencies that give me just 10% of the revenue.

But it costs nothing in terms of my time to put them there and it is still $300 a year or more.

Hope you find the article useful (and if you sign up for new agencies you could always use my referral links on my site (sorry for that shameless plug!))

Steve

Brasilnut

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2017, 17:11 »
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I've 8 agencies that give me just 10% of the revenue.

I hear you Steve and your results speaks for itself.

My biggest concern about submitting to smaller low-earning agencies is that they may struggling so much that they decide to have a garage sale on your images, and/or change their contributor terms and conditions to make it a worse deal for the contributor. What do you think?

« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2017, 17:14 »
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Sorry,
I have been trying to reply, but I still can't stop laughing at someone being exclusive to DT.
This world is full of dreamers!

« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2017, 18:09 »
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Which one would be the best? One of the Big 4 mentioned here? What are the pros and cons of each of those 4 (upload process, treatment of contributors, earnings of recently uploaded images, ...)?


Your portfolio is an unknown, so it's hard to give more than general suggestions based on overall earnings, but if your time is limited, I'd start with SS and AS/FT. For both of these agencies you earn more royalties as your lifetime earnings build (at least until FT goes away) so you might as well get going.

For me, SS is a bit more than double AS/FT but both are solid earners

I wouldn't touch Deposit Photos under any circumstances (search for some of the threads here about their many shenanigans) but I know others put up with them. All agencies in the micro realm treat their contributors badly, so there's only the issues of scams, not paying or too many secret partner deals to look out for.

Once upon a time I'd have strongly recommended 123rf but I left them when sales dropped - unlike other agencies, when 123rf sales drop your royalty (eventually) drops as they do a 12-month average to figure your earnings tier. So their failure to sell (when you have a portfolio with good sales at other agencies and falling sales at 123rf after many years of decent sales, it's pretty obvious to me where the problem is) ends up costing the contributor in royalty rate. That was enough for me to leave them.

Alamy is a pain to upload to and sales are good when they happen but much less frequent (at least for me) than elsewhere. I'd save them for later once you've established portfolios elsewhere.

Some people have noted here that illustrations do well at CanStock - I wouldn't recommend them for photos as their sales were rubbish (I left as sales dropped in volume and were mostly 25 cent subs). Perhaps someone who currently sells illustrations there can comment?

Good luck - and don't wait to drop exclusivity at DT. I don't think they're going to magically bounce back :)

« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2017, 07:44 »
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@everybody: thanks a lot for your very useful advice

« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2017, 07:51 »
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@Brightonl @enstoker: Yes, it seems incredibly ludicrous in retrospect, becoming and staying exclusive to DT. But the 2010-2014 earnings paid a good part of the house we bought a few years ago. It's not exactly a crystal castle, but not a cardboard box either ;-)
So no DT (or DT exclusivity) bashing to be expected from my side. It was great while it lasted, but the good times didn't last. Time to move on.

« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2017, 12:03 »
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Dear Desdemona,
if 2010-2014 DREAMSTIME earnings paid a good part of your house, you are realy good. Congratulations!
But: if you were in that "golden " years exclusive on IS and with so good portfolio, you will now live in biig cristal castle and drive a Ferrari and Hummer.
 ;)

« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2017, 15:09 »
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Yes, perhaps... But perhaps not. Official resident of what-might-have-been-land now.
Thank you for your kind compliment anyway. And for making the picture perfectly clear and a good thing then that I don't like Ferraris ;)
I just tried and try to make the most of the limited time I have for all of this (4 to 5 hours a week, tops)
I had a SS and DT account in 2009, and after ZERO sales at SS in 6 months or so, and DT performing quite well, I decided to become exclusive there. I was not even accepted as a contributor at IS for that matter, rejected 3 or 4 times... Didn't have time or didn't bother about other agencies.
Reminds me of the Human League song "I'm only human, born to make mistakes"  :)

« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2017, 21:37 »
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I would say skip 123RF - you will start out at a painfully low percentage and even if your work sells well it will be months before your previous 12 month total gets to a point that you would make a good percentage. I started out with DT but not exclusive. After a few months I joined SS in the middle of December and the second half of the month sales passed all of the sales I had ever had on DT.

Before I would have said send them all to SS since it is so easy to upload there - but it isn't so easy to upload there anymore. If the keywords aren't in the EXIF data it is worth putting it there if you are going to send them anywhere new. You should probably still send them to SS, but it isn't a painless process anymore. #2 I'd say send them to Adobe - or a few hundred to each and see what sells. Alamy could be good, but the upload there is way more of a pain and it can be a long time before sales start, so I'd say wait on them.

DT stills sells for me - about 1/3 to 1/2 of where they were at their best.

« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2017, 16:00 »
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Those of us that go way Back and I don't mean 2012 realized in Late 2012 something was wrong.We called it "Who pulled the level" It was Nothing more than a feeling then, then slowly Became a reality.
 I made more in 2011 with Half the Images I Have now percentage wise. I've been with 39 Sites. some where great, There gone. some you knew right away, Losers. Im still with 9 presently. How you did only DT and made good enough Money to continue is beyond Most of us and there was a time when DT was way up there, They all were!!!... BUT Making Good Money is relative. I made in a day in 2008 what I nearly make now in a Month at SS alone.
Also..I don't think its so much about the site perse' some of course are dead losers .For me it's More about a sites customer Base and the images they carry or are attracted to to Push and believe me they Push certain people and work... SS pushes 25 cent folks. Why...simple they make a Lot more Money.They Love you guys.

I and My work can be replaced in 2 weeks if that, I have no delusions of Grandeur.

Thats what being publicly Traded did to the taste level and even sloppier  reviewing and now the theft Issues which NO ONE  is gonna talk about.Many here think they got it figured out. Don't believe it.

KeremGo3D

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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2018, 07:44 »
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Sorry for replying to old topic but you are sending all agencies and earning $300 a year? I apologize if I got it wrong, English is not my native language.

But it costs nothing in terms of my time to put them there and it is still $300 a year or more.
Steve

ShadySue

« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2018, 09:08 »
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Sorry for replying to old topic but you are sending all agencies and earning $300 a year? I apologize if I got it wrong, English is not my native language.

But it costs nothing in terms of my time to put them there and it is still $300 a year or more.
Steve

I'm sure he meant that from his lowest 8 agencies he gets $300, which is 10% of his total micro income.

« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2018, 11:45 »
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Sorry for replying to old topic but you are sending all agencies and earning $300 a year? I apologize if I got it wrong, English is not my native language.

But it costs nothing in terms of my time to put them there and it is still $300 a year or more.
Steve

I'm sure he meant that from his lowest 8 agencies he gets $300, which is 10% of his total micro income.

Yes, and I also think he meant $3,000, not $300. According to his blog that would be about 10%.


 

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