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kiratsinhjadeja


« on: January 22, 2012, 22:38 »

I just became a getty images artist last thursday and they have picked 7 of my pics.I am expecting new picks tomorrow.5 are already on sale.

The thing is I applied to SS with the 10 files that were approved by IS and DT at one go, without any resubmissions.They rejected 8 saying no commercial value.Ya!You read it right.4 of those (excluding the approved 2) have almost sold everywhere.I had 15 files on microstock of which getty picked 4.

The question is, should I still keep contributing to micros and bear their baseless rejections or now that I am contributing to the biggest player (besides corbis ofcourse), I should not bother about micros?

Should I just keep giving IS and DT stuff that is not picked by getty and try SS next month again or forget about micros and stop uploading all together?
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 23:45 »

If you don't mind me asking, through which channel did you get into Getty? Did you apply directly?


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qwerty


« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 01:39 »

just concentrate on Macro


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Lagereek


« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 01:48 »

The important thing here is:  exactly where inside Getty, did you get in? if its Photographers-choice,  it means nothing, if its any of their other subsidaries, it means nothing.
The only thing that could render something is if you got into their main-RM-house collection.

Even so, your late in the day getting in. If I were you I would keep up both Macro and Micro.


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wut


« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 05:02 »

I'd forget about micro in a heartbeat if I were in your shoes, so much hassle all the time, silly rejections, ridiculous earnings/DL, terrible support...


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Lagereek


« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 05:09 »

I'd forget about micro in a heartbeat if I were in your shoes, so much hassle all the time, silly rejections, ridiculous earnings/DL, terrible support...

Hi there!

Yeah but you cant just say that. Read my post above yours!  it all depends on where inside Getty he is accepted. The one and only thing that will mean anything is the Getty main-core, RM, house-collection. All the rest is no better then micro.

For all we know, the guy might have come into Gettys Photographers-choice,  thinking he will earn heaven and earth. Smiley


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gemmy12


« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 05:17 »

I'd forget about micro in a heartbeat if I were in your shoes, so much hassle all the time, silly rejections, ridiculous earnings/DL, terrible support...

But the thing is how frequently the pix are sold in getty for the same bulk of photos as one has in his micro portfolio. If only 2-3 photos are sold in 1 or 2 months with 20% royalty then whats the use to be exclusive in getty ?


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wut


« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 05:34 »

I'd forget about micro in a heartbeat if I were in your shoes, so much hassle all the time, silly rejections, ridiculous earnings/DL, terrible support...

Hi there!

Yeah but you cant just say that. Read my post above yours!  it all depends on where inside Getty he is accepted. The one and only thing that will mean anything is the Getty main-core, RM, house-collection. All the rest is no better then micro.

For all we know, the guy might have come into Gettys Photographers-choice,  thinking he will earn heaven and earth. Smiley

What's the difference, can you explain? I'm totally clueless about this Getty (internal) business. What's the difference in prices, traffic, buyers even?

I wrote what I did, because in micro, there's constant hassle, just about everything is wrong at IS, tax problems on one site (deducting too much tax, 30% instead of 5%), zero $ sales on the other and the problem is not just these constant glitches, but the time frame for solving it. Then there's outages, like last week when DT was down a few times during one of the days, IS was down as well. Then there's inconsistent reviews, I don't care about middle tier, but when it happens at SS, I have a big problem. If you look at it, it 's a big mess all the time and the cuts just make everything worse. From what I've heard, there's no such hassle at macros, but I wouldn't know fist hand, since I only contribute to Alamy (I've never ever had a problem there). So I'd jump at the chance at getting into the leading macro agency


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Lagereek


« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 05:51 »

I'd forget about micro in a heartbeat if I were in your shoes, so much hassle all the time, silly rejections, ridiculous earnings/DL, terrible support...

Hi there!

Yeah but you cant just say that. Read my post above yours!  it all depends on where inside Getty he is accepted. The one and only thing that will mean anything is the Getty main-core, RM, house-collection. All the rest is no better then micro.

For all we know, the guy might have come into Gettys Photographers-choice,  thinking he will earn heaven and earth. Smiley

What's the difference, can you explain? I'm totally clueless about this Getty (internal) business. What's the difference in prices, traffic, buyers even?

I wrote what I did, because in micro, there's constant hassle, just about everything is wrong at IS, tax problems on one site (deducting too much tax, 30% instead of 5%), zero $ sales on the other and the problem is not just these constant glitches, but the time frame for solving it. Then there's outages, like last week when DT was down a few times during one of the days, IS was down as well. Then there's inconsistent reviews, I don't care about middle tier, but when it happens at SS, I have a big problem. If you look at it, it 's a big mess all the time and the cuts just make everything worse. From what I've heard, there's no such hassle at macros, but I wouldn't know fist hand, since I only contribute to Alamy (I've never ever had a problem there). So I'd jump at the chance at getting into the leading macro agency

Oh come on Wut!  you must know this!  forget IS for the moment.  Photographers-choice, one of Gettys ideas, is the place where you yourself pay them 50 bucks per image that gets accepted, etc. The Getty RM-main-core house-collection, is where you find Image-Bank, Tony-Stone, etc, etc, their biggest flagship ever, been going since 93.
Nowdays its more or less a closed shop, unless your material is truly outstanding or totally unique. Yes!  if that where he was accepted, I would forget Micro but if not? micro is probably better then many of Gettys other subs.
Now I have been with their main-RM core for 20 years, came via Stones and in private/business and third party-accounts and I tell you, its no ducks-walk. Tough as hell and it will cost a lot of money to generate lots of money. Takes years to build a port. Smiley


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wut


« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 06:03 »

I'd forget about micro in a heartbeat if I were in your shoes, so much hassle all the time, silly rejections, ridiculous earnings/DL, terrible support...

Hi there!

Yeah but you cant just say that. Read my post above yours!  it all depends on where inside Getty he is accepted. The one and only thing that will mean anything is the Getty main-core, RM, house-collection. All the rest is no better then micro.

For all we know, the guy might have come into Gettys Photographers-choice,  thinking he will earn heaven and earth. Smiley

What's the difference, can you explain? I'm totally clueless about this Getty (internal) business. What's the difference in prices, traffic, buyers even?

I wrote what I did, because in micro, there's constant hassle, just about everything is wrong at IS, tax problems on one site (deducting too much tax, 30% instead of 5%), zero $ sales on the other and the problem is not just these constant glitches, but the time frame for solving it. Then there's outages, like last week when DT was down a few times during one of the days, IS was down as well. Then there's inconsistent reviews, I don't care about middle tier, but when it happens at SS, I have a big problem. If you look at it, it 's a big mess all the time and the cuts just make everything worse. From what I've heard, there's no such hassle at macros, but I wouldn't know fist hand, since I only contribute to Alamy (I've never ever had a problem there). So I'd jump at the chance at getting into the leading macro agency

Oh come on Wut!  you must know this!  forget IS for the moment.  Photographers-choice, one of Gettys ideas, is the place where you yourself pay them 50 bucks per image that gets accepted, etc. The Getty RM-main-core house-collection, is where you find Image-Bank, Tony-Stone, etc, etc, their biggest flagship ever, been going since 93.
Nowdays its more or less a closed shop, unless your material is truly outstanding or totally unique. Yes!  if that where he was accepted, I would forget Micro but if not? micro is probably better then many of Gettys other subs.
Now I have been with their main-RM core for 20 years, came via Stones and in private/business and third party-accounts and I tell you, its no ducks-walk. Tough as hell and it will cost a lot of money to generate lots of money. Takes years to build a port. Smiley

Yeah I know about the 50$/image program, but I assumed that wasn't the case. But OK, you said you would forget, but you're in, so why don't you? Besides what you wrote, You often report about huge RM sales. I'm not saying you should delete your micro ports (those images can't get into RM anyway), but why don't you focus on RM exclusively from now on? No hassle, better returns and just one agency to upload to and worry about.

I was just wondering, are you at Alamy as well?


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Lagereek


« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 06:12 »

I'd forget about micro in a heartbeat if I were in your shoes, so much hassle all the time, silly rejections, ridiculous earnings/DL, terrible support...

Hi there!

Yeah but you cant just say that. Read my post above yours!  it all depends on where inside Getty he is accepted. The one and only thing that will mean anything is the Getty main-core, RM, house-collection. All the rest is no better then micro.

For all we know, the guy might have come into Gettys Photographers-choice,  thinking he will earn heaven and earth. Smiley

What's the difference, can you explain? I'm totally clueless about this Getty (internal) business. What's the difference in prices, traffic, buyers even?

I wrote what I did, because in micro, there's constant hassle, just about everything is wrong at IS, tax problems on one site (deducting too much tax, 30% instead of 5%), zero $ sales on the other and the problem is not just these constant glitches, but the time frame for solving it. Then there's outages, like last week when DT was down a few times during one of the days, IS was down as well. Then there's inconsistent reviews, I don't care about middle tier, but when it happens at SS, I have a big problem. If you look at it, it 's a big mess all the time and the cuts just make everything worse. From what I've heard, there's no such hassle at macros, but I wouldn't know fist hand, since I only contribute to Alamy (I've never ever had a problem there). So I'd jump at the chance at getting into the leading macro agency

Oh come on Wut!  you must know this!  forget IS for the moment.  Photographers-choice, one of Gettys ideas, is the place where you yourself pay them 50 bucks per image that gets accepted, etc. The Getty RM-main-core house-collection, is where you find Image-Bank, Tony-Stone, etc, etc, their biggest flagship ever, been going since 93.
Nowdays its more or less a closed shop, unless your material is truly outstanding or totally unique. Yes!  if that where he was accepted, I would forget Micro but if not? micro is probably better then many of Gettys other subs.
Now I have been with their main-RM core for 20 years, came via Stones and in private/business and third party-accounts and I tell you, its no ducks-walk. Tough as hell and it will cost a lot of money to generate lots of money. Takes years to build a port. Smiley

Yeah I know about the 50$/image program, but I assumed that wasn't the case. But OK, you said you would forget, but you're in, so why don't you? Besides what you wrote, You often report about huge RM sales. I'm not saying you should delete your micro ports (those images can't get into RM anyway), but why don't you focus on RM exclusively from now on? No hassle, better returns and just one agency to upload to and worry about.

I was just wondering, are you at Alamy as well?

No, you dont understand me. Ofcourse within the RM sector I am exclusive to Getty, has always been since 93. but that is RM!.  You can still shoot as much Micro and RF, as you wish, as long as it doesnt collide with your RM material.
Yes, RM sales can be huge!  but I think on an average they would sell for sround 200-300 bucks.

Im trying to establish if the OP, got into the main-core of Getty or just an ordinary sub agency, in order to give a proper advice, that is.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 06:14 by lagereek »

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wut


« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 06:16 »

No, you dont understand me. Ofcourse within the RM sector I am exclusive to Getty, has always been since 93. but that is RM!.  You can still shoot as much Micro and RF, as you wish, as long as it doesnt collide with your RM material.
Yes, RM sales can be huge!  but I think on an average they would sell for sround 200-300 bucks.

I do understand you, I just don't know why don't you focus exclusively in RM. From now on. Or is it because RM stuff just has to be so much better and you don't always have the means, time and opportunity to shoot for RM and you throw that into RF/micro.


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kiratsinhjadeja


« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 08:12 »

Sorry guys for taking this long to answer, had college.

First of all, no, I am not a part of photographer's choice.I am part of 2 of their collections:

1 - Getty Flickr
2 - Fototrove

Lagereek, I know about you.I also read the posts where you report your awesome sales! Smiley
I think now a days getty would be hardly letting anyone in their main RM house collection.But I would like to share with you some experiences of fellow flickr members, as you said if its not RM house collection, then its almost equal to micros.

Almost every second person is reporting sales good enough to clear threshold atleast just with 6-7 images online, every month.You guys would find this funny but 1 guy (ofcourse part of getty flickr collection) said it was his worst month on getty.Only 950$ he earned. Cheesy Then there was this dad whom getty declined but his daughter is doing great!Her image was bought by sony and she got 3000$ cut.

What I am trying to say is it doesn't depend on what collection you are in but what kind of photos you have in your portfolio.I think only the biggest buyers would be searching by collections but the rest by keywords.I could be wrong but just what I feel.Ofcourse to be in their main RM collection is prestigious as hell!Getting there as difficult as hell too!Forget that, to catch getty's eye on flickr has become difficult too.I was fortunate enough to be picked by their editor.

Hey Wut!I also contribute to Alamy.Nice agency.I would wait and see the first 2 monthly statements from getty and then decide.I am pretty much optimistic that I will see sales.2 images were already keyworded within a week.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 08:18 by kiratsinhjadeja »

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kiratsinhjadeja


« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 08:20 »

Here is my small portfolio.1 image awaiting review and I am expecting 5-6 picks tomorrow.

http://www.gettyimages.in/Search/Search.aspx?assettype=image&artist=Kiratsinh+Jadeja#

Fototrove collection in process but almost here.


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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 09:45 »

Here is my small portfolio.1 image awaiting review and I am expecting 5-6 picks tomorrow.

http://www.gettyimages.in/Search/Search.aspx?assettype=image&artist=Kiratsinh+Jadeja#

Fototrove collection in process but almost here.


I wouldn't give up your day job just yet...


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Lagereek


« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 09:53 »

Sorry guys for taking this long to answer, had college.

First of all, no, I am not a part of photographer's choice.I am part of 2 of their collections:

1 - Getty Flickr
2 - Fototrove

Lagereek, I know about you.I also read the posts where you report your awesome sales! Smiley
I think now a days getty would be hardly letting anyone in their main RM house collection.But I would like to share with you some experiences of fellow flickr members, as you said if its not RM house collection, then its almost equal to micros.

Almost every second person is reporting sales good enough to clear threshold atleast just with 6-7 images online, every month.You guys would find this funny but 1 guy (ofcourse part of getty flickr collection) said it was his worst month on getty.Only 950$ he earned. Cheesy Then there was this dad whom getty declined but his daughter is doing great!Her image was bought by sony and she got 3000$ cut.

What I am trying to say is it doesn't depend on what collection you are in but what kind of photos you have in your portfolio.I think only the biggest buyers would be searching by collections but the rest by keywords.I could be wrong but just what I feel.Ofcourse to be in their main RM collection is prestigious as hell!Getting there as difficult as hell too!Forget that, to catch getty's eye on flickr has become difficult too.I was fortunate enough to be picked by their editor.

Hey Wut!I also contribute to Alamy.Nice agency.I would wait and see the first 2 monthly statements from getty and then decide.I am pretty much optimistic that I will see sales.2 images were already keyworded within a week.

Are you joking with me or what? you say you have been accepted by Getty and it turns out to be Flickr and Fototrove?  You say it doesnt matter which collection but the photos? Either you are taking us for complete idiots or you havent been more then 5 minutes in the game.
Flickr and Fototrove, are nothing but a meetingplace for amateurs and semi-pros. Nothing.
As far as Getty is concerned, the collection your in, means EVERYTHING!

All the four major micros are far more worthwhile then Flickr and Fototrove put together. I know one guy with over 2000 shots at Flickr, he makes a poor 200 bucks a month.

I strongly suggest you move over to micro, quickly. Dont give up your day-job either. Just had a look at your pictures you posted. Just ordinary stuff, nothing special at all.
Im surprised! astonished really, I doubt very much they would pass the SS inspection, never mind the real Getty.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 09:57 by lagereek »

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ShadySue
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 09:55 »

Here is my small portfolio.1 image awaiting review and I am expecting 5-6 picks tomorrow.

http://www.gettyimages.in/Search/Search.aspx?assettype=image&artist=Kiratsinh+Jadeja#

Fototrove collection in process but almost here.


I wouldn't give up your day job just yet...

Oh, fie - Cloud Cuckooland is a nice place to live.


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kiratsinhjadeja


« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 09:56 »

Lol!Ya, after thinking practically I decided to see the monthly statements of the next 2 months.I would continue with IS and DT because they are doing good for me.After all where will the images go if not picked by getty?I may however not bother about FT and SS.FT for sure.Was just dissapointed by the baseless SS rejection.

One thing good about getty is you don't need certain amount of images to be able to start making money.If you have what buyer wants, you get a sale even if you just have 1 image in your portfolio.That's not what I am saying but what I have heard. Smiley

I agree with WUT, rejections on micros are completely irrelevant sometimes.The image SS failed passed the rest 3 as well as the getty editor later.Now are they (the rest) inexperienced?Ofcourse not.But that's how things are and I don't plan to leave DT and IS.

By withdawing I meant eventually and not just tomorrow. Smiley I wanted opinions of people already gone through this and where they concentrate on.Could open new windows for me and new perspective to think!


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Lagereek


« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 09:59 »

Is this guy for REAL? Roll Eyes


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ShadySue
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 10:05 »

One thing good about getty is you don't need certain amount of images to be able to start making money.If you have what buyer wants, you get a sale even if you just have 1 image in your portfolio.That's not what I am saying but what I have heard. Smiley
Same with most (all?) of the micros, Alamy ... I had a sale on iStock within 24 hrs of my first submission becoming live. OK it was for 20c and I was totally underwhelmed, but it was a start. I hear some people nowadays have Getty sales that net them not much more.  Sad
There are some trads where you still need to have 100 or 500 images accepted before your pics are shown, but not the micros.
And remember although there are large sales on Getty - I had a fairly nice one in December came through on Friday - there are also some tiny sales, and many months where you'll have none.
Just remember to Keep It Real.  Wink


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kiratsinhjadeja


« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2012, 10:08 »

I never said I am a pro.I didn't even mention I am a semi-pro.Lagereek, you are in the game since 90's may be, which is very prestigious and I respect you.

But having started photography in june 2011, and by Jan 2012 just having my photographs on their website and being a contributor to them does mean a lot to me.I am a college going student, 20, and have a long way to go.I am a student and don't do any job.I want to be a vfx artist in my career.This is just my hobby.And being given this opportunity to something that is just my hobby, does mean something to me.
May be I could just put this in those 'Extras' tab in my C.V. when I apply for the VFX artist job.No employer is going to ask me which collection do I submit to.Any collection, but you are a getty contributor.Small thing for a biggie like you and ShadySue, but big thing for me.

I don't do photography with a sole intention to earn.It is not going to be my primary income anyways.But something you are doing as a hobby and on top of that you get such an opportunity, well..It feels good.
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2012, 10:14 »

this topic went the direction I was thinking when I saw it yesterday and I agree with the hard but real posts

I believe you cannot talk about Getty/Corbis etc when you have been in microstock since 2009 and have in iStock 6 files and 12 in DT

I know it may be hard to hear but is like thinking of shooting a wedding and you never picked up a camera, its just unthinkable

best of luck anyway but get a little down to earth


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kiratsinhjadeja


« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2012, 10:19 »

I am not talking about becoming a getty contributor when I have only a handful of files on micros.


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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2012, 10:19 »

One thing good about getty is you don't need certain amount of images to be able to start making money.If you have what buyer wants, you get a sale even if you just have 1 image in your portfolio.That's not what I am saying but what I have heard. Smiley

Erm... that's how it works at all the micro agencies.  It has nothing to do with how many images you have, you just have to have what the buyer wants.

I could have 3,000 images at Getty, but if no-one wanted them, no-one would buy them.  I could have one at SS and it could sell like wildfire.  


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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2012, 10:29 »

Almost every second person is reporting sales good enough to clear threshold atleast just with 6-7 images online, every month.You guys would find this funny but 1 guy (ofcourse part of getty flickr collection) said it was his worst month on getty.Only 950$ he earned. Cheesy Then there was this dad whom getty declined but his daughter is doing great!Her image was bought by sony and she got 3000$ cut.

Could you point us to the portfolios of these friends of yours? It would be interesting to see.

I'd say if you're a student not relying on stock photography for income, you can do anything you like. If you stay with micros, you will continue to get rejections you don't agree with, that's a factor. With Flickr you can upload anything. Not sure how the Getty editing on Flickr works, but hey, it doesn't matter, your heart is in VFX.


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