MicrostockGroup Sponsors


Author Topic: $1M investment into stock/graphic template business, wanna join as co-founder?  (Read 28690 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Rose Tinted Glasses

« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2016, 10:03 »
+16
Let me get this straight... You register here yesterday, give a proposal that would fail in any kindergarten class, ask for a mill, and use little hipster terminology like "bro" ... well just to try to put you out of your misery I think this forum is the best place to come for a million reasons you should go somewhere else. You might want to try Trump, he is on a winning streak and loves success.


« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2016, 10:08 »
+1
Let me get this straight... You register here yesterday, give a proposal that would fail in any kindergarten class, ask for a mill, and use little hipster terminology like "bro" ... well just to try to put you out of your misery I think this forum is the best place to come for a million reasons you should go somewhere else. You might want to try Trump, he is on a winning streak and loves success.

You may not want to welcome new member but others will certainly be okay with that. If you are not happy, I am not inviting to my post either. Be cool.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 10:13 by DesignBold »

« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2016, 10:24 »
+4
Let me get this straight... You register here yesterday, give a proposal that would fail in any kindergarten class, ask for a mill, and use little hipster terminology like "bro" ... well just to try to put you out of your misery I think this forum is the best place to come for a million reasons you should go somewhere else. You might want to try Trump, he is on a winning streak and loves success.
Nice to have a sit back with the popcorn and enjoy the ride thread on here.......If it is serious I suggest you get someone on board who knows how to construct a business case and someone with legal knowledge of copyright law.

lemonyellow

« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2016, 10:24 »
+2
1. You have to understand that our templates are new kind of templates.They are not like PSD or AI, I clearly stated in the post. Your photos are not being sub-licensed. Every time a stock is used by our users, you will get a payment

Then, there are many ways as others suggested:

1) affiliate - with api, and files not hosted on your website;
2) accept uploads directly from us - as Canva does;
3) paying an extended licence;

Buying and reselling our photos as part of a template - be it old or new kind - is not allowed by regular licences.

« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2016, 10:45 »
0
1. You have to understand that our templates are new kind of templates.They are not like PSD or AI, I clearly stated in the post. Your photos are not being sub-licensed. Every time a stock is used by our users, you will get a payment

Then, there are many ways as others suggested:

1) affiliate - with api, and files not hosted on your website;
2) accept uploads directly from us - as Canva does;
3) paying an extended licence;

Buying and reselling our photos as part of a template - be it old or new kind - is not allowed by regular licences.

Thank you very much lemonyellow!

That's why I also mention that I need someone to help me with that. The worst case it we have to build our own stock partner program and offer a good payout to start with.

« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2016, 10:47 »
+6
There are lots of words and what appear to be way too many subplots that don't really contribute to you telling your story.

I did try your site and at first glance, it looks like Canva to me. There's some talk of photo editing on the front page but I didn't see that. I saw something that let me edit designs but appeared to be still in beta and in need of some work - as an example, having edited some text and colors on a design, I double clicked on a different template on the left and there was no warning that I was about to discard my work (and when I went back to the original design, my work was gone).

Rambling on about Photoshop going away doesn't really address what I think you came here to talk about which is how you get access to stock photos for your business.

You can work with existing agencies to license content through the agency API. You get lots of content with no work on your part beyond implementing the API, but you have to live with their license terms

You can accept uploads from photographers under whatever terms you want to offer (and if they're not appealing, you won't get any/much good content). You get to control things, but you have all the expense of setting up a system to accept, inspect and manage content and contributors.

You can buy out rights to images - either from individual photographers or one of the existing package deals that comes with resale rights. You get to control your expense, but you don't get a flow of new work and at least with the resale rights packages, the content's pretty lackluster.

Pick your poison.

And if you are going to compete with Canva, why would anyone use you versus use them? Will you be cheaper, or better, or offer something they don't? I did look at your site's intro, but it was pretty detail-free. You have someone dragging and dropping a photo from an iPhone to a browser window - are you trying to say you'll have an app on the phone to upload photos to your site?? Making promises I can see are fantasy doesn't really build confidence IMO. Tell people what you can really do and why you're better than the other options already out there.

« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2016, 13:06 »
0
Great response as well as valuable feedback Jo Ann Snover! I really appreciate.

Quote
Quote
You can work with existing agencies to license content through the agency API. You get lots of content with no work on your part beyond implementing the API, but you have to live with their license terms

I already worked with agency, the main argument is which license will be applied to our stocks usage.

1. We are not sub-licensing the stock
2. We are not distributing the stock
3. Every time any stock that we used is being downloaded, we charge the user another regular license fee and send an API notification to the agency.

Why do we have to pay for the Extended License?

Quote
Will you be cheaper, or better, or offer something they don't?

Very much like stock business, the market size is big enough for many providers:

  • We will offer a more variety of template design 
  • We will support multi languages in our design
  • When we have enough users, we may considering offering on-demand design services.

Thanks again for a very helpful reply.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2016, 13:43 »
+1
On checking out the website my initial thought is that you need to pay a few hundred dollars to get a proof reader as there are quite a few errors, like it has been written by a non native English speaker.

Where are you licensing the images currently featured on your templates?

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2016, 13:47 »
0
Also what is ephoto.com you spent all that money on? That isnt the design platform right? 

« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2016, 14:02 »
0
Quote
On checking out the website my initial thought is that you need to pay a few hundred dollars to get a proof reader as there are quite a few errors, like it has been written by a non native English speaker.

Thank you, we will be fixing all the typos before launching.

Quote
Also what is ephoto.com you spent all that money on? That isnt the design platform right?

I did want to use this as the official name for the startup but the team voted to keep the old name until now. I have to figure out how to to use this domain later.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2016, 14:08 »
0
I think that is a good call as ephoto.com doesn't sound like a design platform, also using the e prefix is a little dated. Maybe it will come around again!

« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2016, 14:25 »
0
Not a huge fan of either name, but given the two I would not choose ephoto.

It sounds like you are working with an existing stock agency via the API - perhaps you should negotiate with them and another agency to clarify terms and decide what use will be covered under which license implementation. If you're inventing a gray area, you may get different interpretations.

So you're paying a regular license fee to display the work as part of your collection, and if a user decides to use the image in a graphic that is deployed somewhere, then the user pays a second license fee for that image. Correct?

« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2016, 14:30 »
0
So you're paying a regular license fee to display the work as part of your collection, and if a user decides to use the image in a graphic that is deployed somewhere, then the user pays a second license fee for that image. Correct?

Perfectly correct. And I try to convince the Agency & their contributors that is the right way to interpret our photo usage.

What is your opinion, ppdd?

« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2016, 14:39 »
0
So you're paying a regular license fee to display the work as part of your collection, and if a user decides to use the image in a graphic that is deployed somewhere, then the user pays a second license fee for that image. Correct?

Perfectly correct. And I try to convince the Agency & their contributors that is the right way to interpret our photo usage.

What is your opinion, ppdd?

I see no problem with this whatsoever.

You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?

« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2016, 14:50 »
0
Quote
I see no problem with this whatsoever.

You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?

Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template.

If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template

https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p

1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design
2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading)

After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works.

PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page:
https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code



« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 14:54 by DesignBold »

« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2016, 14:59 »
+1
On checking out the website my initial thought is that you need to pay a few hundred dollars to get a proof reader as there are quite a few errors, like it has been written by a non native English speaker.

Where are you licensing the images currently featured on your templates?
123rf

« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2016, 15:01 »
0
Quote
I see no problem with this whatsoever.

You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?

Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template.

If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template

https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p

1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design
2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading)

After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works.

PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page:
https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code

It said the code was expired or invalid, but I get the idea. It asked me to pay for the image I used when I downloaded my design. Is that where they say you need an extended license? I see that it didn't ask me to license the image that was already there where I started - it said it was free. Is it a free image, or one you licensed?


« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2016, 15:08 »
+4
 ??? hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...

At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.

Your website is searching first at selfhosted images (  >:( our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.

For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!

I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html

« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 15:14 by hellou »

« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2016, 15:12 »
0
Quote
I see no problem with this whatsoever.

You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?

Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template.

If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template

https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p

1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design
2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading)

After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works.

PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page:
https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code

It said the code was expired or invalid, but I get the idea. It asked me to pay for the image I used when I downloaded my design. Is that where they say you need an extended license? I see that it didn't ask me to license the image that was already there where I started - it said it was free. Is it a free image, or one you licensed?

1. Sorry, try this one: vMJDnBDRna
2. If you look at the left column, there are template with both free photo and paid stock.

Eg:
This one, everything is free
https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/social-media/yO23n3zG4r

This one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency
https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 15:14 by DesignBold »

« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2016, 15:14 »
0
Quote
I see no problem with this whatsoever.

You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?

Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template.

If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template

https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p

1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design
2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading)

After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works.

PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page:
https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code

It said the code was expired or invalid, but I get the idea. It asked me to pay for the image I used when I downloaded my design. Is that where they say you need an extended license? I see that it didn't ask me to license the image that was already there where I started - it said it was free. Is it a free image, or one you licensed?

1. Sorry, try this one: vMJDnBDRna
2. If you look at the left column, there are template with both free photo and paid stock.

Eg:
This one, everything is free
https://www.designbold.com/design/edit/yO23n3zG4r

This one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency
https://www.designbold.com/design/edit/xELD70W92p

Code still not valid, and 404 on both links.  :)

« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2016, 15:16 »
0
Quote
I see no problem with this whatsoever.

You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?

Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template.

If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template

https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p

1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design
2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading)

After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works.

PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page:
https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code

It said the code was expired or invalid, but I get the idea. It asked me to pay for the image I used when I downloaded my design. Is that where they say you need an extended license? I see that it didn't ask me to license the image that was already there where I started - it said it was free. Is it a free image, or one you licensed?

1. Sorry, try this one: vMJDnBDRna
2. If you look at the left column, there are template with both free photo and paid stock.

Eg:
This one, everything is free
https://www.designbold.com/design/edit/yO23n3zG4r

This one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency
https://www.designbold.com/design/edit/xELD70W92p

Code still not valid, and 404 on both links.  :)

 I just updated the links, make sure you already logged in:

This one, everything is free
https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/social-media/yO23n3zG4r

This one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency
https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p


« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2016, 15:17 »
0
??? hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...

At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.

Your website is searching first at selfhosted images (  >:( our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.

For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!

I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html

It costs 4 credits to download that design. As long as the money for the license is passed to 123rf, there should not be a problem. Hosting the previews on the platform is not common, but can be negotiated, I would think.

« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2016, 15:20 »
0
Quote
I see no problem with this whatsoever.

You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?

Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template.

If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template

https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p

1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design
2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading)

After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works.

PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page:
https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code

It said the code was expired or invalid, but I get the idea. It asked me to pay for the image I used when I downloaded my design. Is that where they say you need an extended license? I see that it didn't ask me to license the image that was already there where I started - it said it was free. Is it a free image, or one you licensed?

1. Sorry, try this one: vMJDnBDRna
2. If you look at the left column, there are template with both free photo and paid stock.

Eg:
This one, everything is free
https://www.designbold.com/design/edit/yO23n3zG4r

This one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency
https://www.designbold.com/design/edit/xELD70W92p

Code still not valid, and 404 on both links.  :)

 I just updated the links, make sure you already logged in:

This one, everything is free
https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/social-media/yO23n3zG4r

This one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency
https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p

Yes, this works fine. I think this is exactly the same as my example with the wall art sites - you allow users to browse and create what they want, then you facilitate the purchase of the license when they have what they want to use.

The only problem I can see AT ALL with this is you hosting the image previews, but as I say, I think this can be worked out with an agency partner.

« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2016, 15:20 »
0
-
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 15:25 by hellou »

« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2016, 15:21 »
0
??? hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...

At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.

Your website is searching first at selfhosted images (  >:( our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.

For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!

I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html

The storage you mentioned is for the cached and performance purpose only.

We notify 123RF via the API when any download is made.

You can make a test of download of any of your images (if you have an account on 123RF), and if you pay at DesignBold, you will be notified about the sales!


 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
11 Replies
5818 Views
Last post January 01, 2007, 15:16
by madelaide
23 Replies
13047 Views
Last post September 12, 2011, 16:31
by cathyslife
1 Replies
2047 Views
Last post May 26, 2014, 21:39
by onepointfour
2 Replies
2374 Views
Last post July 14, 2015, 12:13
by sweetgirll
4 Replies
2054 Views
Last post January 22, 2016, 01:44
by Artist

Sponsors

Mega Bundle of 5,900+ Professional Lightroom Presets

Microstock Poll Results

Sponsors