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« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2016, 15:27 »
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??? hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...

At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.

Your website is searching first at selfhosted images (  >:( our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.

For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!

I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html

It costs 4 credits to download that design. As long as the money for the license is passed to 123rf, there should not be a problem. Hosting the previews on the platform is not common, but can be negotiated, I would think.

 :o There is no API or similar. No feedback to 123rf a image was sold if you download this template now. You do not earn anything at 123rf.
Look where this image is hosted. it is not a preview. Now iam realy angry.

hosted: https://db-s18-storage-public.designbold.com

Do you have stock on 123RF? You can search for your own image, try to download it and see it for yourself.

You can pay to download at DesignBold and you will see if you get paid via 123RF.

PS: Remember that we notify 123RF, but not sure their API will notify the author right away or their will be any delay. We can cross check on that though.


« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2016, 15:30 »
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??? hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...

At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.

Your website is searching first at selfhosted images (  >:( our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.

For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!

I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html

The storage you mentioned is for the cached and performance purpose only.

We notify 123RF via the API when any download is made.

You can make a test of download of any of your images (if you have an account on 123RF), and if you pay at DesignBold, you will be notified about the sales!

There is clearly 123rf API infrastructure in place, even if it's being worked out on a prelaunch site. Anyway, this is how businesses (both you and 123rf) grow - by making content available in unconventional ways. I like this - but you may find resistance in this forum since a lot of shady business "deals" end up screwing the photographers and this is a photographer-heavy board that doesn't trust businesses very much.

« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2016, 15:48 »
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??? hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...

At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.

Your website is searching first at selfhosted images (  >:( our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.

For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!

I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html

The storage you mentioned is for the cached and performance purpose only.

We notify 123RF via the API when any download is made.

You can make a test of download of any of your images (if you have an account on 123RF), and if you pay at DesignBold, you will be notified about the sales!

There is clearly 123rf API infrastructure in place, even if it's being worked out on a prelaunch site. Anyway, this is how businesses (both you and 123rf) grow - by making content available in unconventional ways. I like this - but you may find resistance in this forum since a lot of shady business "deals" end up screwing the photographers and this is a photographer-heavy board that doesn't trust businesses very much.

Thanks PPDD for spending time with me to understand how the system work.

Because this is very important to our business, and I want to share our "unconventional" but "innovative" way of using stocks so that I can get an approval/agreement from stock contributors.

If most of you give me an "YES", I will be able to come back to talk to 123RF or any agency that I am going to work with.

@ppdd @hellou and everyone has participated in the discussion, would you allow me to sell your photos this way with a regular license (for every time users download your stock) ???

There is no lost to you. I am inventing a new way so that you can sell more photo and I can grow my userbase as well as charging for the tool as PRO subscription. And if I can make it up to hundreds of thousand templates with millions of users, both agencies and you will aslo get more $.

What is holding you back? Any more question that I can address?

« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2016, 15:59 »
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I'll sell you 1dollarimages.com for the low low price of $20k

« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2016, 16:12 »
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It's just a way to sell more photos - 123rf should be thrilled. I'm more of a designer/developer than a photographer. Joomlart is a great site (I've used it over the years and it always seemed like it was made by non English speakers, so I do suggest working on that).

I think this has a good chance of succeeding and I appreciate you coming by to talk about it. A ton of work has obviously go into the site, though some of the UX and UI seem a bit confusing.

It seems like Canva decided to build their own library ASAP and cut out the middle agency, so I'm guessing you'll do the same a some point. Best of luck.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #55 on: October 18, 2016, 16:38 »
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As long as each individual use is licensed by each end customer and the use would be covered by a standard licence it shouldn't need an EL, it's what the api is for.

If you are talking about licensing once for use in a template for multiple customers then I wouldn't even be happy for it to happen with an EL. 

CJH

« Reply #56 on: October 18, 2016, 16:47 »
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If I had $1 Million to invest....I would hold onto it, retire and build a travel photography biz.  Good luck to you! (an to me too :-) )

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« Reply #57 on: October 18, 2016, 19:03 »
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If it's one extended license and then you can sell as many templates as you want, I'd bite thir hand off. That's a good deal! One extended license every time you sell a tempt is maybe a bit excessive though.

Obviously it depends on the specific site and the license in question, but my understanding is that selling wall art is a bit different. You're essentially making a new end product using that image. If it's a template then you're giving away the stock item as is. If you sold a service where people choose a template, give you all the details, and you then create a non-editable end product that contains that image... then an extended license probably wouldn't be required.

But yeah, I'm no API wizard, but what everyone has said sounds good!

I think you need to work on the whole concept and direction of the business first. You could get 1m potential customers tomorrow from somebody here, but if they don't like what they see, they probably won't be back. It would be better to have 10k potential new customers who are more likely to buy something, and keep coming back.

« Reply #58 on: October 18, 2016, 20:26 »
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its a bad copy of canva  :-X be more creative!

« Reply #59 on: October 18, 2016, 20:38 »
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It's just a way to sell more photos - 123rf should be thrilled. I'm more of a designer/developer than a photographer. Joomlart is a great site (I've used it over the years and it always seemed like it was made by non English speakers, so I do suggest working on that).

I think this has a good chance of succeeding and I appreciate you coming by to talk about it. A ton of work has obviously go into the site, though some of the UX and UI seem a bit confusing.

It seems like Canva decided to build their own library ASAP and cut out the middle agency, so I'm guessing you'll do the same a some point. Best of luck.

Thanks alot PPDD!

I am thinking of a way so that all stock contributors can control their own stock.

« Reply #60 on: October 18, 2016, 20:39 »
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its a bad copy of canva  :-X be more creative!

Do you have any recommendation?

« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2016, 21:24 »
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dont copy!

be different, be creative, dont try to be better than... be unique. this is the key of success

its a bad copy of canva  :-X be more creative!

Do you have any recommendation?

« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2016, 23:09 »
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I don't deny that we are very much inspired by Canva. But there is one important thing: we have a difference business model. We are trying to create more beautiful templates and try to become a marketplace for designers & marketers.


dont copy!

be different, be creative, dont try to be better than... be unique. this is the key of success

its a bad copy of canva  :-X be more creative!

Do you have any recommendation?

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2016, 01:40 »
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I am going to be honest. If I had the option I would invest in Canva a million times before I invested in this. Just reading the initial post it seems like it's all over the place with cash flying out randomly left right and center. Just the fact that 75000 went on a not very good site name that has still not been used for example or that the site has had this much spent on it without a deal in place for stock content means... I'm out.

« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2016, 01:52 »
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I am going to be honest. If I had the option I would invest in Canva a million times before I invested in this. Just reading the initial post it seems like it's all over the place with cash flying out randomly left right and center. Just the fact that 75000 went on a not very good site name that has still not been used for example or that the site has had this much spent on it without a deal in place for stock content means... I'm out.
Been watching Dragon's den? There might be a good idea in there somewhere but it really does need someone business savvy to turn it into a serious proposition. It also needs proper legal input or you might find yourself more than 1m down!

« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2016, 05:31 »
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What I don't understand is that if what Canva are doing is working well, why aren't Shutterstock and the other big sites offering the same thing?  I like Canva from the contributors point of view, really interesting to see how my images are being used in designs and they sell a lot.  I just can't understand why the big sites haven't reacted to this.  Are they becoming like Getty were when istock was starting to become a threat and they ignored it for too long?

Also strange how Canva never makes it in to the poll results here.  I don't bother doing the poll most months, perhaps all the other people doing well with them don't bother either?  They would be in second place for me.

« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2016, 05:49 »
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This is the weirdest thread ...


« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2016, 05:57 »
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What I don't understand is that if what Canva are doing is working well, why aren't Shutterstock and the other big sites offering the same thing?

Innovation rarely come from big company. They are too busy with so many big projects.

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« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2016, 06:13 »
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What I don't understand is that if what Canva are doing is working well, why aren't Shutterstock and the other big sites offering the same thing?

I guess it's the same reason why they're not selling books, or mobile phones, or 3D models.

« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2016, 09:42 »
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Anonymous person on the internet, looking for big investors.

« Reply #70 on: October 19, 2016, 09:52 »
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Hello big Investor

This is the Anonymous:  http://www.facebook.com/hungstartup

Are you real, too?

Anonymous person on the internet, looking for big investors.

« Reply #71 on: October 19, 2016, 11:51 »
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So your "bro" approach got you 30 mil in revenue but didnt manage to get a million profit from that to further invest. basically your not a very good business man because you cant make a return on an investment. a bit like twitter and uber, turning over millions but no profit. how is your track record going to attract new investors? youve got nothing to show for bro. fo sho

« Reply #72 on: October 19, 2016, 12:02 »
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My suggestion is contact 200 best microstock photographers, illustrators and build a separate database. I mean separate from any API as they are unstable, and you are a serious businessman aren't you?

An established photographer/illustrator would happily get $1 per image uploaded and 50%/50% royalty split thereafter.

What about that ?
« Last Edit: October 19, 2016, 12:04 by BelieveInStock »

« Reply #73 on: October 19, 2016, 12:03 »
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What made you come to conclusion that I could not manage to get a million to further invest?

And fund raising does not always mean that you need money.

So your "bro" approach got you 30 mil in revenue but didnt manage to get a million profit from that to further invest. basically your not a very good business man because you cant make a return on an investment. a bit like twitter and uber, turning over millions but no profit. how is your track record going to attract new investors? youve got nothing to show for bro. fo sho

« Reply #74 on: October 19, 2016, 12:06 »
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I really like this idea and did think about that. But I dont think with 200 microstock contributoers, I will get enough high quality photos, verification process costs way alot of money too.

 
My suggestion is contact 200 best microstock photographers, illustrators and build a separate database. I mean separate from any API as they are unstable, and you are a serious businessman aren't you?

An established photographer/illustrator would happily get $1 per image uploaded and 50%/50% royalty split thereafter.

What about that ?


 

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