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« on: February 10, 2019, 23:48 »
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How important are 'organizing' your keywords in adobestock for ranking? I didn't realize it seems they have an "order" of keywords (if you have them listed alphabetically, you'll actually get a warning message asking if you really meant for them to be alphabetical).

How much difference does it make to get a sale?


« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2019, 00:05 »
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I don't think anyone here really knows other than maybe Mat, but Adobe says it goes into the search. I am guessing for search terms with a lot of results it is absolutely critical - if you don't show up in the first few pages you won't make a sale and if you don't put the search term in the first 5 positions you won't be on the first few pages (that is just my guess based on what I have read, but it seems reasonable). For search terms with less results it probably doesn't matter so much.

« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2019, 00:23 »
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I have never organized my words on AdobeStock. It is still my second best site for selling images. Maybe I would get better sells if I did but I still get sells daily.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2019, 11:05 »
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"Your keywords need to be inserted hierarchically, starting with the most relevant words. The most relative/important word goes first, so the first few keys words should be visible aspects of the image, followed by less important or supporting aspects. Drag the keywords to rearrange the order."

https://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/keywording-101/

You may have noticed the first five words are a different color than the others. They are more important in the search. Actually the first 7 are weighted heavier.

I have never organized my words on AdobeStock. It is still my second best site for selling images. Maybe I would get better sells if I did but I still get sells daily.

Maybe?  ;D

Also titles are used in the search, just like SS, but IS titles are not searched. Your titles may be helping the search results?

Since Adobe tells us that the first words are most important and Mat tells us the same, I'd say there's a good chance that the first 7 words are most important and should be the best matching the image.


« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2019, 12:55 »
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hi Mat - okay,

If I update my keywords using a .csv file for already approved files, will it then update my list? (As opposed to me manually having to go image by image, etc?)

Thanks!

« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2019, 14:57 »
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hi Mat - okay,

If I update my keywords using a .csv file for already approved files, will it then update my list? (As opposed to me manually having to go image by image, etc?)

Thanks!

I don't believe that will work but you can certainly give it a try. I think you need to update them individually however. Let us know if you find success.

-Mat

« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2019, 08:59 »
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This story of ordering the keywords on Adobe is a pain
If other sites can do it without, why Adobe can't?
What is the advantage to order the keywords, compared to the other sites?
I don't order my keywords on Shutterstock, but I still sell more that two times more there than on Adobe, so??

« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2019, 09:07 »
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This story of ordering the keywords on Adobe is a pain
If other sites can do it without, why Adobe can't?
What is the advantage to order the keywords, compared to the other sites?
I don't order my keywords on Shutterstock, but I still sell more that two times more there than on Adobe, so??

agree

it is outdated, no other sites needs that (on alamy you just check 10 most important but no order needed)

complicating keywording is best way to turn your contributors away

I only submit on 123rf and deposit because they are easiest to submit.

not to mention how easier it was to select multiple keywords and put it on top on fotolia then on this new adobe site.

i really hope they get it ready (it is open and running for quite a while now)

simple site, fast submit and important statistic is only that matter to contributors Mat. Only those three.

« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 09:10 by panicAttack »

« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2019, 09:53 »
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Maybe somebody will call me crazy, but i reorganized the first 5 keywords on more than 10K files and still have a lot. It's hard, but i already noticed some sales on images which did not have sales or was not sold in the resent years. So to me it worth, i do it with 100 images every day.

« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 10:02 »
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complicating keywording is best way to turn your contributors away

I only submit on 123rf and deposit because they are easiest to submit.

...

simple site, fast submit and important statistic is only that matter to contributors Mat. Only those three.

None of the big sites need more contributors. They already have a thousand times too many.

I find it to be a very good thing if it's a bit complicated to submit and there are things you can do to improve your search ranking.

That means I can get an advantage, and I don't have to deal with competitors that don't want to do the work. More sales for me.

A fast and easy submission process is the fastest way to eliminate sales.

« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 11:06 »
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complicating keywording is best way to turn your contributors away

I only submit on 123rf and deposit because they are easiest to submit.

...

simple site, fast submit and important statistic is only that matter to contributors Mat. Only those three.


None of the big sites need more contributors. They already have a thousand times too many.

I find it to be a very good thing if it's a bit complicated to submit and there are things you can do to improve your search ranking.

That means I can get an advantage, and I don't have to deal with competitors that don't want to do the work. More sales for me.

A fast and easy submission process is the fastest way to eliminate sales.
I hate doing it but actually I think you are right. However, a certain level of sales are required to make it worthwhile RF123 certainly don't achieve that.

« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 11:29 »
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Hi Matt,

Okay, just found out it does "not" work.

Could you please submit this as a feature request, specifically:

a) If I upload a .csv file, it will apply new keyword orders/etc to "approved" files, in addition to title changes, etc?

It should be extremely easy to implement programatically.

I wish I had known that keyword order was important - because for hundreds of files I have an 'identical' set of keywords for the first 4-5 keywords - and then it varies after that. Simply because I was 'classifying' my work, but it not necessarily what would be most searched/important/etc.

It would be extremely painful to have to 'manually' drag/drop several thousand files, i.e., it would be like 40-50 hours of "work" just re-arranging keywords for something that may or may not result in any additional sales.

Thanks.

« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2019, 11:44 »
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It would be better if you make choose 7 most-relevant words instead of actually organizing the order. It's kind of tedious to be honest. And since we don't know stats like which keyword people used to find the photo they finally bought, we don't know if the order is okay or what

« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2019, 12:18 »
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It would be better if you make choose 7 most-relevant words instead of actually organizing the order. It's kind of tedious to be honest. And since we don't know stats like which keyword people used to find the photo they finally bought, we don't know if the order is okay or what
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2019, 12:59 »
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Adobe stock is definitely the most work and time to submit files. It seems like the submit page could easily be redesigned to work easier and faster. The long vertical list of keywords makes it necessary to do a lot of scrolling, it would be nice to have a a design that doesn't require any scrolling.   

« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2019, 13:24 »
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This story of ordering the keywords on Adobe is a pain
If other sites can do it without, why Adobe can't?
What is the advantage to order the keywords, compared to the other sites?
I don't order my keywords on Shutterstock, but I still sell more that two times more there than on Adobe, so??

I agree, in fact I have 200 videos waiting to put keywords, while in the other websites I keep moving forward. It's really a waste of time what happens in Adobe, they should definitely improve it.


« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2019, 02:28 »
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complicating keywording is best way to turn your contributors away

I only submit on 123rf and deposit because they are easiest to submit.

...

simple site, fast submit and important statistic is only that matter to contributors Mat. Only those three.

None of the big sites need more contributors. They already have a thousand times too many.

I find it to be a very good thing if it's a bit complicated to submit and there are things you can do to improve your search ranking.

That means I can get an advantage, and I don't have to deal with competitors that don't want to do the work. More sales for me.

A fast and easy submission process is the fastest way to eliminate sales.

excuse me, but you got it wrong.

I'm not talking about new contributors, but us who are with fotolia/adobe for more then 7-8 years

Making submission process harder is not the way, they have reviewers who have to reject low quality/similar contest and even ban accounts spamming low quality images all the time, not making it harder for contributors who are increasing our earnings even if competition is larger every day.

You need to have your contest better, more profitable, better commercial value then you will have to deal with less competitors and not making keywording more complicated.


« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2019, 02:56 »
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I don't mind ordering keywords. But selecting 7 most relevant keywords would be an improvement instead of ordering. Their most relevant search results probably work way much better than shutterstock which constantly shuffles all images if they are relevant or not.

« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2019, 03:05 »
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excuse me, but you got it wrong.

I'm not talking about new contributors, but us who are with fotolia/adobe for more then 7-8 years

Making submission process harder is not the way, they have reviewers who have to reject low quality/similar contest and even ban accounts spamming low quality images all the time, not making it harder for contributors who are increasing our earnings even if competition is larger every day.

You need to have your contest better, more profitable, better commercial value then you will have to deal with less competitors and not making keywording more complicated.

It doesn't matter how good your content is if nobody sees it.

The #1 most important thing is visibility. More total # of files and contributors = less visibility.

Most buyers will buy something that's good enough on page 1. Not look for something better on page 93.

If it's easy for you to submit 10,000 files, it's easy for everyone else and voila - you now have 500 million files to compete with. I thought it was pretty obvious by now that that causes everyone's sales to go down, even if 99% of those 500 million files are crap.

If I can have even the slightest advantage with the search algorithms by spending some time optimizing my content, I'll take it. It can make all the difference, and I can outsell better content from contributors who don't do their SEO research.  ;)
« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 03:11 by increasingdifficulty »

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2019, 09:56 »
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This story of ordering the keywords on Adobe is a pain
If other sites can do it without, why Adobe can't?
What is the advantage to order the keywords, compared to the other sites?
I don't order my keywords on Shutterstock, but I still sell more that two times more there than on Adobe, so??

Because the other sites reorder your words, and we have no control, some are alpha sort, some will change the order, some take out words, no matter what we started with. Adobe we are allowed to put our best words first so buyers will see a better match.

Nothing says anyone has to do anything if moving 5 words to the top is too much trouble. And from my own testing, it isn't a matter of only the first 5 or 7 are searched. Things are more like Alamy where the first words have more weight. This is a benefit and we have control and choices.

« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2019, 13:23 »
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hi Mat - okay,

If I update my keywords using a .csv file for already approved files, will it then update my list? (As opposed to me manually having to go image by image, etc?)

Thanks!

I don't believe that will work but you can certainly give it a try. I think you need to update them individually however. Let us know if you find success.

-Mat


I'm waiting for Lightroom to have the option of being able to view keywords as either 1) alphabetical sort or 2) hierarchical sort. Of course, it would have to work with the Adobe plug in, too, and populate in fields accordingly. That would be a great option--Hint. Hint.

« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2019, 14:16 »
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I'm waiting for Lightroom to have the option of being able to view keywords as either 1) alphabetical sort or 2) hierarchical sort. Of course, it would have to work with the Adobe plug in, too, and populate in fields accordingly. That would be a great option--Hint. Hint.

iView Media Pro had all these features 25 years ago!!!

wds

« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2019, 14:30 »
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This story of ordering the keywords on Adobe is a pain
If other sites can do it without, why Adobe can't?
What is the advantage to order the keywords, compared to the other sites?
I don't order my keywords on Shutterstock, but I still sell more that two times more there than on Adobe, so??

Because the other sites reorder your words, and we have no control, some are alpha sort, some will change the order, some take out words, no matter what we started with. Adobe we are allowed to put our best words first so buyers will see a better match.

Nothing says anyone has to do anything if moving 5 words to the top is too much trouble. And from my own testing, it isn't a matter of only the first 5 or 7 are searched. Things are more like Alamy where the first words have more weight. This is a benefit and we have control and choices.

How about equally weighting keywords. If someone is looking for an image of let's say a green tomato and a file has the keywords "green" and "tomato" it will come up in search. If it sells, then maybe weight the keywords more or the file's rank higher?

Having to manually move keywords around is frankly very time consuming. It is the one aspect of the adobestock website I extremely dislike. What makes it even worse is Adobe LR forces alphabetical order.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2019, 15:13 »
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hi Mat - okay,

If I update my keywords using a .csv file for already approved files, will it then update my list? (As opposed to me manually having to go image by image, etc?)

Thanks!

I don't believe that will work but you can certainly give it a try. I think you need to update them individually however. Let us know if you find success.

-Mat


I'm waiting for Lightroom to have the option of being able to view keywords as either 1) alphabetical sort or 2) hierarchical sort. Of course, it would have to work with the Adobe plug in, too, and populate in fields accordingly. That would be a great option--Hint. Hint.

Yes it would


 

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