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Down everywhere compared to previous month.
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SS, worst since starting in 2013.
Adobe, holding steady.
Canva, meh.
GL, lol.
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After terrible first couple of weeks turning out OK for a July. SS quite poor but adobe making up for it to some extent and even Dreamtimes--dreading returned sales. RF123 looking like its gone off the cliff. If IS turns out OK will better than last July. In today's climate not getting worse is a reasonable result I reckon ;-).
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Just awful awful!
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SS, worst since starting in 2013.
Adobe, holding steady.
Canva, meh.
GL, lol.
stocksy?
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SS, worst since starting in 2013.
Adobe, holding steady.
Canva, meh.
GL, lol.
stocksy?
Not so good.
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Really poo. Last July was one of the best. This year... the worst.
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SS, worst since starting in 2013.
Adobe, holding steady.
Canva, meh.
GL, lol.
stocksy?
Not so good.
ok...thanks.i think despite the great quality even stocky is facing had times. i love check their feed and what surprises me is to see that top notch producer slowed down a lo their contributions in the last year.
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Really poo. Last July was one of the best. This year... the worst.
SS 30% down
AS slightly below than june
123RF very down
Dreamstime - avg
DP- almost dead
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i know this would be better posted in the infamous thread shutter stock controlling royalty scheme but i post here...
checking now....i have the exact dollar so far from subscription compared to last year...the exact. on demand is plus 2 %...luckily what makes a good fiference are sod plus 150% and video, despite only 75 video i managed to earn more than 100 dollar selling 5 videos. i thin i should focus more on this. anyway the exact amount of subs...ouch...but people seems to not believe in any control.
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as stated above i saw a return of dreamstime...well near 60$ dollar not enough for payout and compared to 2 years ago pretty poor nut considering i earned like 2 dollar in may.....is strange pattern..dreamstime not doing worst compared to fotolia for me is unbelievable...despite a lot of uploading i cannot sell good in as. esp seems growing a lot.
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SS - worst month since Sep 2007.
DT - OK at beginning of month, but totally flat by mid-month, so below average.
Others - lower than average.
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SS within $2 of last month
Adobe within $0.50 of last month
The others don't bear mentioning as they provided $5 to $10 a piece.
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Pretty solid July for me.
After steadily declining sales all through 2017, sales have been up for me at Shutterstock since January.
Not quite what they were in 2016, but getting closer.
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I'm pretty sure the entire US sleeps off their hangover from the 4th clear until August. Don't worry fam, it'll be a terrible August too and we can have a new thread.
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Solid month, uploaded some 800 images and 100 clips. Not expecting much in these quiet weeks but if it stays like this in Sept/Oct/Nov, I'll be worried.
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Worst July in micro since 2013
Average low month in macro and exclusive sites.
About shutter, only 110 dls more than July 2017 uploading 1000 files this year.
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SS down 10%
Adobe +-0
123 down 50%
istock down 25 %
Dreamstime down 40%
All compared to previous month, compared to July2017 it looks even worse
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Surprisingly I'm 20% up on July 2017 and 25% up on June 2018 revenues.
No improvement for SS, but good month at AS, AL and P5.
123RF, DT, CS slowly dying. Have deleted 500px ( because now Getty ) and GL accounts.
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It was…
Why dwelling on the past?
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Truly terrible.
SS down by a fair amount.
Canva, Canstock, Dreamstime all hugely down.
Others dead.
Only one site rescued the situation a bit. Unless, of course, something amazing has been happening at IS...... ::)
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SS - Best 2018 month
IS - It looks like a very good month
AS - Very low compared to June
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SS - Best 2018 month
IS - It looks like a very good month
AS - Very low compared to June
How can you say it?
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SS - Best 2018 month
IS - It looks like a very good month
AS - Very low compared to June
How can you say it?
You can track downloads to date and draw an assumption from there.
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Decent month on the video side, nothing amazing but solid with no huge drops.
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the biggest problem with ss is the totally lack of big sale apart video. last sale over 78 dollar is mid january. last year i had near 25 sales bigger than 78 dollar this year one. it's clear that free photo website have something to do with this. the rip is still good because i have a lot of 2,85 in the last 3 month, but those sales who makes the difference at the end are big el. they look like water in desert in my case.
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Almost identical to all the other months as per allowance.
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I notice in the poll results Shutterstock is much closer to iS exclusive than it used to be. Wonder if that has any real meaning or not.
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I would say the poll is showing the real results of Shutter. At one time Shutter used to be in the mid 90's! My SS (July 2018) was down 50% compared to 2017 July and I added about 1,200 more images since! I feel like a big loser... :-\
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SS - Decent
P5 - Ok
Alamy: Ok
Adobe: Better than nothing
IS: Not great, but the number was for June.
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Shutterstock down 40%
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The last three months graph from SS (there is a 40 cent difference between them)
And 27% ($900) less than the same period last year.
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SS - Best 2018 month
IS - It looks like a very good month
AS - Very low compared to June
How can you say it?
You can track downloads to date and draw an assumption from there.
assumption is the mother of all f**k ups :D
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SS - Best 2018 month
IS - It looks like a very good month
AS - Very low compared to June
How can you say it?
You can track downloads to date and draw an assumption from there.
Wow, I've never seen any particular correlation between downloads and income, neither on Alamy nor iS. (Meaning, the two stats charts are nothing like parallel )
Though it's even more random on iS for exclusives, as we get two download credits for S+ files, but have no way of knowing how many there were (in theory, they could all be S+), but S+ can go for cents like normal sig files.
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Best month this year (a little better than an average month last year). Most sites were about average or a little better for these days with Canva down quite a bit and 123RF still really low (although almost double last month's really pathetic total).
Alamy made it a good month with a few big sales. While these are welcome, they are pretty random and certainly not anything I can count on. Still it lifted Alamy to my #2 site so far this year.
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The last three months graph from SS (there is a 40 cent difference between them)
And 27% ($900) less than the same period last year.
I didn't believe in the SS Cap theory but this gives credence to the theory >:(
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I notice in the poll results Shutterstock is much closer to iS exclusive than it used to be. Wonder if that has any real meaning or not.
Which means IS exclusive has dropped sharply, or some big earners on IS aren't taking the poll, or some high earning people dropped exclusive. But yes, you are correct, IS exclusive is much lower in the poll than it used to be.
BTW SS July was lower than any of the past five years, July, by 33-50% in round numbers. If I am controlled, someone forgot to increase my sales and if I'm capped, the cap has been lowered? But since I don't believe either of those, I'll just agree that it was a crappy July this year.
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One month in July with less sales than the others. I believe that July and August are usually worse months. I do not know if I'm wrong.
SS - 15% than June
Adobe well below my average. 35% less than June. I do not know what happens to me with Adobe, Before with just Fotolia I was much better. Anyway ....
Istock seems to be doing well, at least the number of downloads has increased for me.
Pond5 always fantastic with the videos, very good
Videoblock with incredible sales. I stayed 3 months without sales there.
I have not done many uploads on Dreamstime. There was some sales there in July.
I want to put my portfolio in Alamy, I hear good things there.
Good sales to all.
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Surprisingly, better than last July. But SS is still a fraction of what it was a couple of years ago.
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quite good, thanks to IS for BME
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The last three months graph from SS (there is a 40 cent difference between them)
And 27% ($900) less than the same period last year.
I didn't believe in the SS Cap theory but this gives credence to the theory >:(
Could it be a safety net instead of a cap?
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SS - Best 2018 month
IS - It looks like a very good month
AS - Very low compared to June
How can you say it?
You can track downloads to date and draw an assumption from there.
How do you do that?
I see only number of views and number of interactions, but I see nothing about sales?
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IS - It looks like a very good month
How can you say it?
You can track downloads to date and draw an assumption from there.
How do you do that?
I see only number of views and number of images put in a lightbox, but I see nothing about sales?
Account Management > Profile. It only shows the number of 'increments', not what sold and for how much, it's not real time, and doesn't necessarily match with any other figures, as they're pulled from a different source than the end of month sales figures. You'll need to look in their forums for (scant) other info.
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IS - It looks like a very good month
How can you say it?
You can track downloads to date and draw an assumption from there.
How do you do that?
I see only number of views and number of images put in a lightbox, but I see nothing about sales?
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Account Management > Profile. It only shows the number of 'increments', not what sold and for how much, it's not real time, and doesn't necessarily match with any other figures, as they're pulled from a different source than the end of month sales figures. You'll need to look in their forums for (scant) other info.
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Thank you, I have found it.
In my opinion it is absolutely useless :D
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Shutterstock excellent last and previous month
Pond5 surprisingly great last month
Adobe stock surprisingly bad last month. With protfolio 6k+ and overall rang 1230 only 2 downloads today (. 31 and. 94) wooow :/
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better than June.
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SS - Best 2018 month
IS - It looks like a very good month
AS - Very low compared to June
How can you say it?
You can track downloads to date and draw an assumption from there.
Wow, I've never seen any particular correlation between downloads and income, neither on Alamy nor iS. (Meaning, the two stats charts are nothing like parallel )
Though it's even more random on iS for exclusives, as we get two download credits for S+ files, but have no way of knowing how many there were (in theory, they could all be S+), but S+ can go for cents like normal sig files.
thats why I said you "can draw an assumption" never said it would be an accurate one ;-) but people do. Personally I don't bother.
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Video here: felt slow on the agencies here but month ended up decent enough.
On the plus side hints of the TV production industry waking up after summer slow down with direct inquiries and current deals being worked out - hopeful the -ber months will see a solid end to year.
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worst month of 2018
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The last three months graph from SS (there is a 40 cent difference between them)
And 27% ($900) less than the same period last year.
funny, we have same graph for the last three months... SS capping system becomes even more clear now. Now let's hear some anti-conspiracy arguments now, ladies.
(https://video-stock.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ss-sales-graph-3-months.png)
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And what is even more funny, is that the monthly average number of footage sales in last THREE years (exluding the photos from last year and this year $1.5 per clip) is almost identical (this year only by 2 sales behind the last year). 2016 and 2017 were actually identical in monthly average sales.
Only in the years before 2016 the monthly average sales were lower, but we also had only one-fourth of the files we have online today. Something triggered the capping system between the 2015 and 2016 and has been capping our number of sales for the last three years.
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My July was quiet, but I still managed to beat the earnings from the previous July. That maintains my record of improving my earnings over the previous year to 14 consecutive months now. How do I do it - read my book ;D
(https://i2.wp.com/www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Sales-GrowthJuly18.png?resize=768%2C558&ssl=1)
The full report on July is on my blog as usual.
https://www.backyardsilver.com/2018/08/earnings-from-stock-photography-in-july-2018/ (https://www.backyardsilver.com/2018/08/earnings-from-stock-photography-in-july-2018/)
Steve
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My July was quiet, but I still managed to beat the earnings from the previous July. That maintains my record of improving my earnings over the previous year to 14 consecutive months now. How do I do it - read my book ;D
(https://i2.wp.com/www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Sales-GrowthJuly18.png?resize=768%2C558&ssl=1)
The full report on July is on my blog as usual.
https://www.backyardsilver.com/2018/08/earnings-from-stock-photography-in-july-2018/ (https://www.backyardsilver.com/2018/08/earnings-from-stock-photography-in-july-2018/)
Steve
mah.
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My July was quiet, but I still managed to beat the earnings from the previous July. That maintains my record of improving my earnings over the previous year to 14 consecutive months now. How do I do it - read my book ;D
(https://i2.wp.com/www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Sales-GrowthJuly18.png?resize=768%2C558&ssl=1)
The full report on July is on my blog as usual.
https://www.backyardsilver.com/2018/08/earnings-from-stock-photography-in-july-2018/ (https://www.backyardsilver.com/2018/08/earnings-from-stock-photography-in-july-2018/)
Steve
mah.
Steve has gain were most have lost, myself included, income! Time to read his book! 8)
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I had best January , February , March ever ,then its going very down since May
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The last three months graph from SS (there is a 40 cent difference between them)
And 27% ($900) less than the same period last year.
funny, we have same graph for the last three months... SS capping system becomes even more clear now. Now let's hear some anti-conspiracy arguments now, ladies.
(https://video-stock.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ss-sales-graph-3-months.png)
Yeah, right! Good one! ;)
Here is another one: I only made 2% more, on SS, this July compared with July 2017. A clear sign of year over year capping! ;D
Anyway, here is the pie chart for my July revenue per agency (June for IS) and the totals, for all agencies (compiled from Paypal transfers)
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Well thats pretty much what many of us are seeing like me during the past year, despite maked fun off during the last year it seems real and make the decision of how to get past this...
My July was quiet, but I still managed to beat the earnings from the previous July. That maintains my record of improving my earnings over the previous year to 14 consecutive months now. How do I do it - read my book ;D
(https://i2.wp.com/www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Sales-GrowthJuly18.png?resize=768%2C558&ssl=1)
The full report on July is on my blog as usual.
https://www.backyardsilver.com/2018/08/earnings-from-stock-photography-in-july-2018/ (https://www.backyardsilver.com/2018/08/earnings-from-stock-photography-in-july-2018/)
Steve
mah.
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... and here is a clear sign that my SS revenues are "capped" ;D
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The last three months graph from SS (there is a 40 cent difference between them)
And 27% ($900) less than the same period last year.
funny, we have same graph for the last three months... SS capping system becomes even more clear now. Now let's hear some anti-conspiracy arguments now, ladies.
(https://video-stock.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ss-sales-graph-3-months.png)
Yeah, right! Good one! ;)
Here is another one: I only made 2% more, on SS, this July compared with July 2017. A clear sign of year over year capping! ;D
Anyway, here is the pie chart for my July revenue per agency (June for IS) and the totals, for all agencies (compiled from Paypal transfers)
I sense some sarcasm in your response. This is really our chart from the last three months. And it is not even slightly funny, because sales dropped.
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The last three months graph from SS (there is a 40 cent difference between them)
And 27% ($900) less than the same period last year.
funny, we have same graph for the last three months... SS capping system becomes even more clear now. Now let's hear some anti-conspiracy arguments now, ladies.
(https://video-stock.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ss-sales-graph-3-months.png)
Yeah, right! Good one! ;)
Here is another one: I only made 2% more, on SS, this July compared with July 2017. A clear sign of year over year capping! ;D
Anyway, here is the pie chart for my July revenue per agency (June for IS) and the totals, for all agencies (compiled from Paypal transfers)
I sense some sarcasm in your response. This is really our chart from the last three months. And it is not even slightly funny, because sales dropped.
No sarcasm, my revenues were capped not for the past 3 months, but for the whole year! Can you believe that?
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... and here is a clear sign that my SS revenues are "capped" ;D
Why is it so important to you to be right that you completely refute any argument or evidence that isn't your own experience?
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... and here is a clear sign that my SS revenues are "capped" ;D
Why is it so important to you to be right that you completely refute any argument or evidence that isn't your own experience?
Because I know a thing or two about statistics.
So far, all those so called "arguments" are in the best case naive, if not laughable.
BTW, steheap has also published his trends (see above). He is also very "capped" indeed! ;D
He has a small variation of $500 from month to month => a solid proof of "capping"!
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... and here is a clear sign that my SS revenues are "capped" ;D
Why is it so important to you to be right that you completely refute any argument or evidence that isn't your own experience?
Because they have delusions of inferiority ;D
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... and here is a clear sign that my SS revenues are "capped" ;D
Why is it so important to you to be right that you completely refute any argument or evidence that isn't your own experience?
Because they have delusions of inferiority ;D
...or rational thinking, common sense, the ability to look at actual numbers, and maybe some education. ;D
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Go read the top post on 3rd page about this capping. If three years of analysis doesn't convince you.... I'm sorry for you.
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Go read the top post on 3rd page about this capping. If three years of analysis doesn't convince you.... I'm sorry for you.
If you still see capping on my trends or those published by steheap above, I am sorry for YOU, man!
But, whatever makes you happy! Religion is a personal matter.
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So the inference is that only you can read stats and the rest of us who have different results than you are naive or not educated enough (and yes I know someone else said that bit, but your condescending replies fit too). Got it. Speaks miles about you as a person. As you say, religion is a personal matter. Good luck with yours.
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So the inference is that only you can read stats and the rest of us who have different results than you are naive or not educated enough (and yes I know someone else said that bit, but your condescending replies fit too). Got it. Speaks miles about you as a person. As you say, religion is a personal matter. Good luck with yours.
Thanks!
There is one thing I know from the History of Religion: The God of Capping doesn't exist. :P
However, many around this forum believe in him or her, despite the facts (like, among many other, the trends posted by me or steheap, who should be enough to make you change your beliefs)
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Here are my last 12 months worth of Shutterstock earnings to throw into the mix. I'm not saying they are good - they are what they are, but they are pretty variable
Steve
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Thanks!
There is one thing I know from the History of Religion: The God of Capping doesn't exist. :P
However, many around this forum believe in him or her, despite the facts (like, among many other, the trends posted by me or steheap, who should be enough to make you change your beliefs)
I am sure that your completely different stats than mine and others proves without a shadow of doubt that you are correct. I must have missed the class on ignoring contradictory information to prove your point.
Carry on, you flat-earther you. :)
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Most of us agree that the seas are getting rough in this business. Is there a cap on shutter? I don't know for sure. Doesn't anyone know?
Most of us are making less $$ on that site. Facts like having over 200 Million images surely didn't help matters. Plus allowing anyone to join has produced unlimited supply. I am not counting on my $$ going up on that site no matter how many more images I submit. :(
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No idea if there is a cap or not or something else.
How about we call it a software aberration that affects some users instead of a cap? Would that help some of these people who seem so exercised about other people's sales patterns being different from theirs?
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Thanks!
There is one thing I know from the History of Religion: The God of Capping doesn't exist. :P
However, many around this forum believe in him or her, despite the facts (like, among many other, the trends posted by me or steheap, who should be enough to make you change your beliefs)
I am sure that your completely different stats than mine and others proves without a shadow of doubt that you are correct. I must have missed the class on ignoring contradictory information to prove your point.
Carry on, you flat-earther you. :)
What you failed to realize is that when you say "SS revenues are capped", only one counter-example is sufficient to prove your theory wrong. ::)
You have at least two, in this thread only.
Maybe your theory should have been formulated something like: "SS has something against me, personally, because they decided to punish me, by capping my royalties, while allowing flat-earthers like Zero Talent or steheap to enjoy market driven revenues".
Then take a dictionary and search for the definition of paranoid.
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edited. I am better than that. :)
Sometimes.
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Lol, if you say so. I literally have said I don't think there is a "cap" and I have stated what I believed already. But hey, keep going! I used the phrase flat-earther because you seem to live in your self imposed denial where anything that contradicts your narrative gets discarded, but I guess it went over your head. No worries. No cap my friend. And wherever you went to get that background in stats, well, you may want to look at refunds. I think they did you a disservice :)
Have at it. Arguing with you is pointless. You think you are smarter than you actually are. Done for tonight, good luck.
I just used simple logic to prove the cap theory wrong, indeed.
I'm glad you agreed with logic and got convinced.
You can drop that dictionary now. ;D
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Well, I am happy you believe that. Good for you!
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Well, I am happy you believe that. Good for you!
Hmmm, it looks like you are not "done for tonight", as promised a moment ago! You are "better that that", indeed.
So, cap or no cap? :D
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Lol, if you say so. I literally have said I don't think there is a "cap" and I have stated what I believed already. But hey, keep going! I used the phrase flat-earther because you seem to live in your self imposed denial where anything that contradicts your narrative gets discarded, but I guess it went over your head. No worries. No cap my friend. And wherever you went to get that background in stats, well, you may want to look at refunds. I think they did you a disservice :)
Have at it. Arguing with you is pointless. You think you are smarter than you actually are. Done for tonight, good luck.
I just used simple logic to prove the cap theory wrong, indeed.
I'm glad you agreed with logic and got convinced.
You can drop that dictionary now. ;D
I used a simple logic to prove that cap theory exists too... it is called statistics and math. We took that in school, remember?
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Lol, if you say so. I literally have said I don't think there is a "cap" and I have stated what I believed already. But hey, keep going! I used the phrase flat-earther because you seem to live in your self imposed denial where anything that contradicts your narrative gets discarded, but I guess it went over your head. No worries. No cap my friend. And wherever you went to get that background in stats, well, you may want to look at refunds. I think they did you a disservice :)
Have at it. Arguing with you is pointless. You think you are smarter than you actually are. Done for tonight, good luck.
I just used simple logic to prove the cap theory wrong, indeed.
I'm glad you agreed with logic and got convinced.
You can drop that dictionary now. ;D
Well your theory is WRONG man, your logic is totally up the spout and knows nothing. What do you think? haha! you think this little forum is the only one place in the world where they discuss capping, orchestrated algorithms etc, etc. Well youre wrong there as well.
You know why you dont want earnings capped or fooled around with? I tell you: because everyones dream, everyones dream-agency is falling apart and the " do good" agency is not doing so good anymore, the so called most honest agency in the world turned out no more then any other agency.
Now if two x-employees of SS say not to me but to others, full-time photographers that earnings are controled, portfolios are controled! well then you can imagine that theyre not going to believe YOU!! are they? just another supplier who is so good with stats. yeah sure man!....and you have been with micro-stock long enough now to know the score to see and judge for yourself that something is wrong, badly wrong and instead of believing that this "God sent to suppliers" agency is nothing but just another agency! crushing your dreams maybe. Well sorry about that!.....btw! I know you behind that pseudo of yours and you should really know better!
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Microstock is dead, only masochists would be pursuing it going forward.
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Lol, if you say so. I literally have said I don't think there is a "cap" and I have stated what I believed already. But hey, keep going! I used the phrase flat-earther because you seem to live in your self imposed denial where anything that contradicts your narrative gets discarded, but I guess it went over your head. No worries. No cap my friend. And wherever you went to get that background in stats, well, you may want to look at refunds. I think they did you a disservice :)
Have at it. Arguing with you is pointless. You think you are smarter than you actually are. Done for tonight, good luck.
I just used simple logic to prove the cap theory wrong, indeed.
I'm glad you agreed with logic and got convinced.
You can drop that dictionary now. ;D
Well your theory is WRONG man, your logic is totally up the spout and knows nothing. What do you think? haha! you think this little forum is the only one place in the world where they discuss capping, orchestrated algorithms etc, etc. Well youre wrong there as well.
You know why you dont want earnings capped or fooled around with? I tell you: because everyones dream, everyones dream-agency is falling apart and the " do good" agency is not doing so good anymore, the so called most honest agency in the world turned out no more then any other agency.
Now if two x-employees of SS say not to me but to others, full-time photographers that earnings are controled, portfolios are controled! well then you can imagine that theyre not going to believe YOU!! are they? just another supplier who is so good with stats. yeah sure man!....and you have been with micro-stock long enough now to know the score to see and judge for yourself that something is wrong, badly wrong and instead of believing that this "God sent to suppliers" agency is nothing but just another agency! crushing your dreams maybe. Well sorry about that!.....btw! I know you behind that pseudo of yours and you should really know better!
Here you go again.
Another one who blames others for his own failures
Another one who finds easier to follow a cult than to look in the mirror and face reality.
Make up your mind folks: are your revenues capped or just controlled?
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Lol, if you say so. I literally have said I don't think there is a "cap" and I have stated what I believed already. But hey, keep going! I used the phrase flat-earther because you seem to live in your self imposed denial where anything that contradicts your narrative gets discarded, but I guess it went over your head. No worries. No cap my friend. And wherever you went to get that background in stats, well, you may want to look at refunds. I think they did you a disservice :)
Have at it. Arguing with you is pointless. You think you are smarter than you actually are. Done for tonight, good luck.
I just used simple logic to prove the cap theory wrong, indeed.
I'm glad you agreed with logic and got convinced.
You can drop that dictionary now. ;D
I used a simple logic to prove that cap theory exists too... it is called statistics and math. We took that in school, remember?
No one on here has the statistics to prove "capping" exists or otherwise which is why the argument keeps going at best we can say it is possible that some people might be capped and not everyone is capped. The rest is a guess.
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Lol, if you say so. I literally have said I don't think there is a "cap" and I have stated what I believed already. But hey, keep going! I used the phrase flat-earther because you seem to live in your self imposed denial where anything that contradicts your narrative gets discarded, but I guess it went over your head. No worries. No cap my friend. And wherever you went to get that background in stats, well, you may want to look at refunds. I think they did you a disservice :)
Have at it. Arguing with you is pointless. You think you are smarter than you actually are. Done for tonight, good luck.
I just used simple logic to prove the cap theory wrong, indeed.
I'm glad you agreed with logic and got convinced.
You can drop that dictionary now. ;D
I used a simple logic to prove that cap theory exists too... it is called statistics and math. We took that in school, remember?
No one on here has the statistics to prove "capping" exists or otherwise which is why the argument keeps going at best we can say it is possible that some people might be capped and not everyone is capped. The rest is a guess.
Of course... I can't see anything strange from this graph too. That's why it took some time to investigate sales in deeper numbers in a few years of time.
(https://video-stock.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ss-graph2.png)
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this topic discussion is turning into 'The X-Files'... The truth is out there...
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Hmmm, it looks like you are not "done for tonight", as promised a moment ago! You are "better that that", indeed.
So, cap or no cap? :D
Basic reading comprehension escapes you it seems (must have learned that the same place you learned statistics), asked and answered a few times. I am putting you on ignore now, not because you disagree with me with a head in the sand determination that is actually impressive, but because I find you a condescending ***. I don't need that.
As far as this discussion goes, I truly hope it happens to you so that you can see what others see, even though if it did you would never admit it in a million years. Best of luck!
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I am putting you on ignore now...
Yep, that's right, keep your bubble intact! Ignore facts and opinions contrary to your beliefs.
That's the best way to get to the truth, indeed! ::)
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Lol, if you say so. I literally have said I don't think there is a "cap" and I have stated what I believed already. But hey, keep going! I used the phrase flat-earther because you seem to live in your self imposed denial where anything that contradicts your narrative gets discarded, but I guess it went over your head. No worries. No cap my friend. And wherever you went to get that background in stats, well, you may want to look at refunds. I think they did you a disservice :)
Have at it. Arguing with you is pointless. You think you are smarter than you actually are. Done for tonight, good luck.
I just used simple logic to prove the cap theory wrong, indeed.
I'm glad you agreed with logic and got convinced.
You can drop that dictionary now. ;D
Well your theory is WRONG man, your logic is totally up the spout and knows nothing. What do you think? haha! you think this little forum is the only one place in the world where they discuss capping, orchestrated algorithms etc, etc. Well youre wrong there as well.
You know why you dont want earnings capped or fooled around with? I tell you: because everyones dream, everyones dream-agency is falling apart and the " do good" agency is not doing so good anymore, the so called most honest agency in the world turned out no more then any other agency.
Now if two x-employees of SS say not to me but to others, full-time photographers that earnings are controled, portfolios are controled! well then you can imagine that theyre not going to believe YOU!! are they? just another supplier who is so good with stats. yeah sure man!....and you have been with micro-stock long enough now to know the score to see and judge for yourself that something is wrong, badly wrong and instead of believing that this "God sent to suppliers" agency is nothing but just another agency! crushing your dreams maybe. Well sorry about that!.....btw! I know you behind that pseudo of yours and you should really know better!
Here you go again.
Another one who blames others for his own failures
Another one who finds easier to follow a cult than to look in the mirror and face reality.
Make up your mind folks: are your revenues capped or just controlled?
Youre not BIG enough to have experienced it! havent been doing it long enough to experience it. I cant remember but I think that somewhere along 2.5K a month was the barrier after that you were included in the capping brigade.
Capped or controlled?? hehe! whats the bloody difference? nobody should control youre earnings. But hey! you carry on in this world of yours thinking youre working with honesty and rightfullness.....btw, how come people accept something called " hit the wall" ?? but not capping, to me thats just about the same! also these are the words of an x-employee!! ( not photographers) get that into your head please!
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Youre not BIG enough to have experienced it! havent been doing it long enough to experience it. I cant remember but I think that somewhere along 2.5K a month was the barrier after that you were included in the capping brigade.
I can guarantee that 90-100% of the capping theorists here are nowhere near $2,500 per month from Shutterstock. :)
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I can guarantee that 90-100% of the capping theorists here are nowhere near $2,500 per month from Shutterstock. :)
I should have been if I wasn't capped!
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Youre not BIG enough to have experienced it! havent been doing it long enough to experience it. I cant remember but I think that somewhere along 2.5K a month was the barrier after that you were included in the capping brigade.
Capped or controlled?? hehe! whats the bloody difference? nobody should control youre earnings. But hey! you carry on in this world of yours thinking youre working with honesty and rightfullness.....btw, how come people accept something called " hit the wall" ?? but not capping, to me thats just about the same! also these are the words of an x-employee!! ( not photographers) get that into your head please!
2.5k/month on SS is the threshold for capping? That's very interesting! You just added something new to this discussion, indeed!
Let's see what the implications of your statement are.
The implications are that the likes or Herg (with only a "few downloads over several days") or even farbled (some of the most vocal members of the "capping cult") have no idea what they are talking about. If it is 2.5K/month, they have so much, so very much growth to do, before hitting that ceiling! So it's not the capping for them, it is them.
Is this what your are saying?
On the other hand, "capping and "controlled" are not the same. "Capping" is a subset of "controlled", indeed. But"controlled" can very well mean that some ports, images, categories, etc are favored by the popularity algorithm. That's "controlled" (as some understand it), but not "capped".
The popularity algorithm is definitely "controlled" by SS and it is clearly impacting individual sales in a positive, or negative way.
Moreover, the popularity algorithm is "controlled" on a regular basis. SS must be constantly attempting to tweak it as well as possible, in order to maximize customers satisfaction with the results of their searches (and maximize global revenue for SS)
That's totally different than "capping" and there is nothing evil about it!
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I can guarantee that 90-100% of the capping theorists here are nowhere near $2,500 per month from Shutterstock. :)
Maybe change "capping theorists" to: "people who have seen their income straight-line for one reason or another". As I said earlier in one of the threads or this one, I don't actually believe SS is maliciously targeting specific portfolios. I think there is some software glitch or algorithm that is tweaking earnings some of us.
Case in point, this past July I was on track to eat some crow since my sales plummeted. Any change, however negative it might be, would show I was not being affected. On the 31st, my day was filled with high value SODs (after zero sods all month long) to bring me right up to my level.
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Youre not BIG enough to have experienced it! havent been doing it long enough to experience it. I cant remember but I think that somewhere along 2.5K a month was the barrier after that you were included in the capping brigade.
Capped or controlled?? hehe! whats the bloody difference? nobody should control youre earnings. But hey! you carry on in this world of yours thinking youre working with honesty and rightfullness.....btw, how come people accept something called " hit the wall" ?? but not capping, to me thats just about the same! also these are the words of an x-employee!! ( not photographers) get that into your head please!
2.5k/month on SS is the threshold for capping? That's very interesting! You just added something new to this discussion, indeed!
Let's see what the implications of your statement are.
The implications are that the likes or Herg (with only a "few downloads over several days") or even farbled (some of the most vocal members of the "capping cult") have no idea what they are talking about. If it is 2.5K/month, they have so much, so very much growth to do, before hitting that ceiling! So it's not the capping for them, it is them.
Is this what your are saying?
On the other hand, "capping and "controlled" are not the same. "Capping" is a subset of "controlled", indeed. But"controlled" can very well mean that some ports, images, categories, etc are favored by the popularity algorithm. That's "controlled" (as some understand it), but not "capped".
The popularity algorithm is definitely "controlled" by SS and it is clearly impacting individual sales in a positive, or negative way.
Moreover, the popularity algorithm is "controlled" on a regular basis. SS is constantly attempting to tweak it as well as possible, in order to maximize customers satisfaction with the results of their searches (and maximize global revenue for SS)
That's totally different that "capped" and there is nothing evil about it!
Of course how silly of me youre absolutely right in everything you say! thank God you have such an insight in SS and all their contributors! whatever would we do without you! ::) ::) ::) no need for any further conversation its lost its alure!
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Youre not BIG enough to have experienced it! havent been doing it long enough to experience it. I cant remember but I think that somewhere along 2.5K a month was the barrier after that you were included in the capping brigade.
I can guarantee that 90-100% of the capping theorists here are nowhere near $2,500 per month from Shutterstock. :)
well you will never find out will you youre not exactly the type people confide in are you? but I can guarantee you that right here now today there are several earning even more and thats per month! but you will never know them will you? too bad.
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Youre not BIG enough to have experienced it! havent been doing it long enough to experience it. I cant remember but I think that somewhere along 2.5K a month was the barrier after that you were included in the capping brigade.
Capped or controlled?? hehe! whats the bloody difference? nobody should control youre earnings. But hey! you carry on in this world of yours thinking youre working with honesty and rightfullness.....btw, how come people accept something called " hit the wall" ?? but not capping, to me thats just about the same! also these are the words of an x-employee!! ( not photographers) get that into your head please!
2.5k/month on SS is the threshold for capping? That's very interesting! You just added something new to this discussion, indeed!
Let's see what the implications of your statement are.
The implications are that the likes or Herg (with only a "few downloads over several days") or even farbled (some of the most vocal members of the "capping cult") have no idea what they are talking about. If it is 2.5K/month, they have so much, so very much growth to do, before hitting that ceiling! So it's not the capping for them, it is them.
Is this what your are saying?
On the other hand, "capping and "controlled" are not the same. "Capping" is a subset of "controlled", indeed. But"controlled" can very well mean that some ports, images, categories, etc are favored by the popularity algorithm. That's "controlled" (as some understand it), but not "capped".
The popularity algorithm is definitely "controlled" by SS and it is clearly impacting individual sales in a positive, or negative way.
Moreover, the popularity algorithm is "controlled" on a regular basis. SS is constantly attempting to tweak it as well as possible, in order to maximize customers satisfaction with the results of their searches (and maximize global revenue for SS)
That's totally different that "capped" and there is nothing evil about it!
Of course how silly of me youre absolutely right in everything you say! thank God you have such an insight in SS and all their contributors! whatever would we do without you! ::) ::) ::) no need for any further conversation its lost its alure!
It's not just SS who is "controlling" what their customers see. It is Google, it is Facebook, it is Amazon and many others.
Why are you surprised by it? Even your local brick and mortar supermarket is "controlling" what you see, by organizing their shelves in a way they think will maximize their profit.
And what about the 2.5k capping? Do you agree that the likes of Herg, farbled & Co are not capped (as they claim), since they are well below your capping threshold?
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Youre not BIG enough to have experienced it! havent been doing it long enough to experience it. I cant remember but I think that somewhere along 2.5K a month was the barrier after that you were included in the capping brigade.
Capped or controlled?? hehe! whats the bloody difference? nobody should control youre earnings. But hey! you carry on in this world of yours thinking youre working with honesty and rightfullness.....btw, how come people accept something called " hit the wall" ?? but not capping, to me thats just about the same! also these are the words of an x-employee!! ( not photographers) get that into your head please!
2.5k/month on SS is the threshold for capping? That's very interesting! You just added something new to this discussion, indeed!
Let's see what the implications of your statement are.
The implications are that the likes or Herg (with only a "few downloads over several days") or even farbled (some of the most vocal members of the "capping cult") have no idea what they are talking about. If it is 2.5K/month, they have so much, so very much growth to do, before hitting that ceiling! So it's not the capping for them, it is them.
Is this what your are saying?
On the other hand, "capping and "controlled" are not the same. "Capping" is a subset of "controlled", indeed. But"controlled" can very well mean that some ports, images, categories, etc are favored by the popularity algorithm. That's "controlled" (as some understand it), but not "capped".
The popularity algorithm is definitely "controlled" by SS and it is clearly impacting individual sales in a positive, or negative way.
Moreover, the popularity algorithm is "controlled" on a regular basis. SS is constantly attempting to tweak it as well as possible, in order to maximize customers satisfaction with the results of their searches (and maximize global revenue for SS)
That's totally different that "capped" and there is nothing evil about it!
Of course how silly of me youre absolutely right in everything you say! thank God you have such an insight in SS and all their contributors! whatever would we do without you! ::) ::) ::) no need for any further conversation its lost its alure!
Wow, I am happy everyone seems to know how much or how little I make these days.
I think the reason I may be argumentative about this so much is being talked down to like I am some kind of idiot. Those who know me or have known me over the years can gauge for themselves whether I know what I am talking about or not.
Even in unrelated threads the "experts" all talk about those "conspiracy nut-jobs" and the like. Disagree with me, absolutely, we can discuss. Insult and condescend, well, I cannot help you there.
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I can guarantee that 90-100% of the capping theorists here are nowhere near $2,500 per month from Shutterstock. :)
Maybe change "capping theorists" to: "people who have seen their income straight-line for one reason or another". As I said earlier in one of the threads or this one, I don't actually believe SS is maliciously targeting specific portfolios. I think there is some software glitch or algorithm that is tweaking earnings some of us.
Case in point, this past July I was on track to eat some crow since my sales plummeted. Any change, however negative it might be, would show I was not being affected. On the 31st, my day was filled with high value SODs (after zero sods all month long) to bring me right up to my level.
Interesting indeed but what I struggle with is why would SS want to do that? So maybe your right that theres strange things happening with the Algorithm(s) I wouldn't be surprised if over time they haven't become so complex no one understands fully how they return the results they do. For example the perceived need to give customers a changing variety of images could easily push images back and forth if something sells "too much" or "two little" over a period thus evening out sales over a period.
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Interesting indeed but what I struggle with is why would SS want to do that? So maybe your right that theres strange things happening with the Algorithm(s) I wouldn't be surprised if over time they haven't become so complex no one understands fully how they return the results they do. For example the perceived need to give customers a changing variety of images could easily push images back and forth if something sells "too much" or "two little" over a period thus evening out sales over a period.
That's the thing, I think it is an unintentional by-product of (maybe competing or interfering) algorithms that hits that perfect storm of factors for what? a few dozen or hundreds out of the hundred plus thousand contributors? I worked in enough software companies to know there are always some clients who find that "one thing" that will never make things go right for them.
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Bad July?, be prepared for even "better" August, because the customer side of SS doesnt even load properly. (EU)
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Bad July?, be prepared for even "better" August, because the customer side of SS doesnt even load properly. (EU)
I had an awful start to the month just put it down to natural variation/season but maybe this is a factor.
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50% down on ss which is the norm these days, and 33% down on the new norm. so basically july is at 33% of what i used to make.
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I can guarantee that 90-100% of the capping theorists here are nowhere near $2,500 per month from Shutterstock. :)
Maybe change "capping theorists" to: "people who have seen their income straight-line for one reason or another". As I said earlier in one of the threads or this one, I don't actually believe SS is maliciously targeting specific portfolios. I think there is some software glitch or algorithm that is tweaking earnings some of us.
Case in point, this past July I was on track to eat some crow since my sales plummeted. Any change, however negative it might be, would show I was not being affected. On the 31st, my day was filled with high value SODs (after zero sods all month long) to bring me right up to my level.
High value SODs are dealt with personally by someone in the Enterprise Team so that would be unaffected by software glitches or algorithms. By raising your income for the month on the last day to your allotted level would suggest you are right in saying it is not malicious, but it does look benevolent, a safety net.
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High value SODs are dealt with personally by someone in the Enterprise Team so that would be unaffected by software glitches or algorithms. By raising your income for the month on the last day to your allotted level would suggest you are right in saying it is not malicious, but it does look benevolent, a safety net.
That could well be. But I have seen the reverse and so have others, high value SODs at the beginning of the month followed by exponentially worse daily sales (of subs and other sales) than usual until I am back at the same $$ level mid month or month end.
As it is, yes, for now at least I seem to have an almost guaranteed steady income/safety net. Now that I said that out loud, I expect karma will rip me a new one. :)
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Microstock is dead, only masochists would be pursuing it going forward.
Thank you for the break in the yes it is, no it isn't debate. ;D
I have a personal feeling that the cap is just what you wrote. A result of the flood of new images, and market flat-lining.
Microstock is dead or at best smells fishy and stinks. The growth era and new product stages are past, so now we have stagnation. Along with that anyone who isn't adding more and pushing for any possible gain, will be dropping. Most will lose because of competition, the best of old and popular themes, will go flat. Some will still be able to create new ideas and marketable images, but the easy money, easy sales, are long gone.
Contrary to some opinions, the answer is not "quantity makes more money" for any of us, as individuals. Quality does. Yes the early days, numbers counted, now they do nearly nothing.
I'm not going to spend hours and hours, editing and uploading, just to find, the competition has added another 10 million images at the same time I could add a couple hundred. The exception is, when I have something that there are not already 50,000 or 100,00 examples, I may do some work. The day of uploading best selling, common topics, concepts type images is over. Now we need to upload narrow market images that have a demand.
Good going Steve and anyone else who can continue to make any income growth in this cold market.
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Funny thing is, there are so many things not covered even a little. Common things! Even today I was working on some images of a specific meal, a common meal but geared toward health with some basic substitutions that I have seen in magazines, often.
I did a search to see how many I'd be competing against on SS.
Not even 30. And most were from one shoot.
Woot. And no, they are not in my portfolio yet. :)
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Good going Steve and anyone else who can continue to make any income growth in this cold market.
Steve is proof that there's plenty of life in this "stinking fish". Really inspirational and I trust that his income will continue to grow for the near-future. He must be on the non-capped privileged list :P
As for the algos, I have noticed that in the past 2 months there's been a surge of never-before-sold images from at least a year ago which have started selling. At first I thought was just noise / anomaly, but this trend is holding strong. Why would a relatively generic image from 2 years ago only start selling now? Not complaining, just trying to understand. Has anybody noticed this as well?
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Good going Steve and anyone else who can continue to make any income growth in this cold market.
Steve is proof that there's plenty of life in this "stinking fish". Really inspirational and I trust that his income will continue to grow for the near-future. He must be on the non-capped privileged list :P
As for the algos, I have noticed that in the past 2 months there's been a surge of never-before-sold images from at least a year ago which have started selling. At first I thought was just noise / anomaly, but this trend is holding strong. Why would a relatively generic image from 2 years ago only start selling now? Not complaining, just trying to understand. Has anybody noticed this as well?
very much so I've had some images as much as 4 years old selling for the first time quite often over the last 3-4 months...and not particularly good ones at that. Meanwhile it seems very hard to get much traction on new images.
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Steve is proof that there's plenty of life in this "stinking fish". Really inspirational and I trust that his income will continue to grow for the near-future. He must be on the non-capped privileged list :P
He is capped but you don't see it.
The truth is outhere, beyond facts, obvious and common sense! 8)
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Funny thing is, there are so many things not covered even a little. Common things! Even today I was working on some images of a specific meal, a common meal but geared toward health with some basic substitutions that I have seen in magazines, often.
I did a search to see how many I'd be competing against on SS.
Not even 30. And most were from one shoot.
Woot. And no, they are not in my portfolio yet. :)
I have a couple also, where the ones they have are incorrect, or wrong keywords for a very specific item. Another is a food item that has very specific ingredients and origins. Something for the Winter when I'm not busy running all over, chasing cars. ;)
Like this: 407 (name a common menu item here) stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.
247 (another item) stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free, the first page is mostly misidentified and NOT the common item.
This isn't rocket science and I still contend that happy handshake, or sliced tomatoes, or snapshots of a walkabout, are going to get accepted and die! Time to work smarter not harder.
Good luck with your ideas. I'm shooting IMSA this weekend, worked Xfinity last, a vintage event and INDYCAR before that. Having a wonderful time and getting a nice tan. Oh look I can see some shadows 8)
(https://s5.postimg.cc/jezmp9a47/Group_7_start_2018_corner_three_web.jpg)
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I have a couple also, where the ones they have are incorrect, or wrong keywords for a very specific item. Another is a food item that has very specific ingredients and origins. Something for the Winter when I'm not busy running all over, chasing cars. ;)
Like this: 407 (name a common menu item here) stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.
247 (another item) stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free, the first page is mostly misidentified and NOT the common item.
This isn't rocket science and I still contend that happy handshake, or sliced tomatoes, or snapshots of a walkabout, are going to get accepted and die! Time to work smarter not harder.
Good luck with your ideas. I'm shooting IMSA this weekend, worked Xfinity last, a vintage event and INDYCAR before that. Having a wonderful time and getting a nice tan. Oh look I can see some shadows 8)
Happy shooting Pete! And no, not rocket science at all. The good part for me is that I have to eat, so taking an extra minute or so to monetize that is no hardship at all.
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17% down compared to May or June. Until Getty/ iStock reports I won't know the whole picture but it seems to be the usual summer slowdown.
Lots of $1.5 video sales on SS which is very troubling. I find it hard to believe so many websites are using video backdrops like that. My guess is someone is gaming the system and getting videos on the cheap.