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Author Topic: Can watermark images be legally used in articles?  (Read 17100 times)

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« on: May 25, 2018, 04:10 »
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I am sure this image was not purchased hence the visible watermark. Could this be considered a infringement?

http://www.thefamuanonline.com/news/view.php/1033479/Are-dreadlocks-appropriate-for-the-workp


« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2018, 04:50 »
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Yes, it is.  It's funny because Getty will let you use images for free if you use their tool to embed the image.

« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2018, 05:02 »
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That's sh*tty, imagine when digital mediums are the only medium and everyone just embed a image.

« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2018, 05:26 »
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no, it is not an infringement to use a photo for editorial purposes. if you write an article and use a photo that the article has commentary on, then you can use any photo in the world, and you do not have to pay for it. it falls under "Fair Use" in copyright law. and you can get the photo on google images, and you can download the photo from a stock agency, even if it is watermarked, and you can get the photo from someone else's web page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
fair use
noun
(in US copyright law) the doctrine that brief excerpts of copyright material may, under certain circumstances, be quoted verbatim for purposes such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research, without the need for permission from or payment to the copyright holder.

ShadySue

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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2018, 05:38 »
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no, it is not an infringement to use a photo for editorial purposes. if you write an article and use a photo that the article has commentary on, then you can use any photo in the world, and you do not have to pay for it. it falls under "Fair Use" in copyright law. and you can get the photo on google images, and you can download the photo from a stock agency, even if it is watermarked, and you can get the photo from someone else's web page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
fair use
noun
(in US copyright law) the doctrine that brief excerpts of copyright material may, under certain circumstances, be quoted verbatim for purposes such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research, without the need for permission from or payment to the copyright holder.

As usual, you're only quoting the bits which suit your agenda, the 'under certain circumstances' limits fair uses more than you'd think. And Fair Use is only in the US (why are you always so parochial?) Here in the UK (for example) we have 'fair dealing', where the conditions are stricter than you would imagine:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright
For example, as a teacher, I could use files for my lessons or for assemblies, but not e.g. to project during concerts to which the public was invited.

« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2018, 06:52 »
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And hes also just wrong.  If it were an article specifically commenting on the photo, it would have fair use claim, possibly.  Just grabbing a photo to use as filler or to illustrate the commentary is infringement.

dpimborough

« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2018, 08:38 »
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no, it is not an infringement to use a photo for editorial purposes. if you write an article and use a photo that the article has commentary on, then you can use any photo in the world, and you do not have to pay for it. it falls under "Fair Use" in copyright law. and you can get the photo on google images, and you can download the photo from a stock agency, even if it is watermarked, and you can get the photo from someone else's web page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
fair use
noun
(in US copyright law) the doctrine that brief excerpts of copyright material may, under certain circumstances, be quoted verbatim for purposes such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research, without the need for permission from or payment to the copyright holder.

You should just stick to figuring out how to take photos and which lens to buy

« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2018, 09:23 »
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Again, perpetrating the fair use nonsense. If that is considered fair use, there wouldnt be any need for stock agencies! Our images are for sale.

« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2018, 09:31 »
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you said: " Just grabbing a photo to use as filler or to illustrate the commentary is infringement."

no it isn't. (not in the US). in the US you can use any photo worldwide for editorial purposes, for educational purposes, for commentary, etc. you will come into problems if you use the photo in advertising without securing rights.


« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2018, 12:57 »
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you said: " Just grabbing a photo to use as filler or to illustrate the commentary is infringement."

no it isn't. (not in the US). in the US you can use any photo worldwide for editorial purposes, for educational purposes, for commentary, etc. you will come into problems if you use the photo in advertising without securing rights.


I presume you are here as a photographer who is interested in selling photos, microstock or otherwise. Why are you so hell-bent on defending thieves and perpetrating this fair use nonsense? If you want to hurt your own chance of sales, thats your right. But to keep defending people who are too * cheap to spend a couple of bucks to use an image is hurting those of use who are trying to make a living. What the heck is your problem.


Ug. Never mind, I see you are trolling other threads too. Just looking to cause a ruckus?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2018, 13:01 by cathyslife »

« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2018, 09:52 »
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sean, you are wrong and I am right.

the article you referenced was not fair use, and was not an editorial use, it was a commercial use which clearly is a violation of the DMCA, and has nothing to do with the original poster.

"which were then taken and used by Agence France-Presse and Getty Images as their own,"

« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2018, 10:35 »
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In case of the dreadlocks article, it's infringement because the watermarked photo is used commercially to enhance the article. The writer/website should have paid for it.

« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2018, 14:09 »
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Sigh.

Anyone taking ^^s advice can feel free to send them the bill from your subsequent lawsuit. 

Otherwise, remember fair use applies to a tiny set of usages.  And this isnt one of them.

« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2018, 15:13 »
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you said: "In case of the dreadlocks article, it's infringement because the watermarked photo is used commercially to enhance the article"

this is NOT infringement. the image is being used for editorial purposes. it is not a commercial use.

« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2018, 15:26 »
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#U.S._fair_use_factors

"the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found in favour of the defendant, Arriba Soft. In reaching its decision, the court utilized the statutory four-factor analysis. First, it found the purpose of creating the thumbnail images as previews to be sufficiently transformative, noting that they were not meant to be viewed at high resolution as the original artwork was." ... the court found that the thumbnails were fair use."


the use of watermarked images is Fair Use as explained above.

« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2018, 15:30 »
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Nope.

Thats for that specific use of providing search results.  Please, just stop.


« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2018, 16:10 »
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you said: "Otherwise, remember fair use applies to a tiny set of usages.  And this isnt one of them."

the use is considered fair use because it is for editorial purposes, and the use of the watermarked version has been upheld in court to be fair use because the watermarked version  does not have commercial value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#U.S._fair_use_factors
"The fourth factor measures the effect that the allegedly infringing use has had on the copyright owner's ability to exploit his original work"

in this case, the use of a watermarked image does not prevent the copyright owner's ability to exploit his original work. this is fair use.


« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 16:13 by unnonimus »

memakephoto

« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2018, 16:43 »
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you said: "Otherwise, remember fair use applies to a tiny set of usages.  And this isnt one of them."

the use is considered fair use because it is for editorial purposes, and the use of the watermarked version has been upheld in court to be fair use because the watermarked version  does not have commercial value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#U.S._fair_use_factors
"The fourth factor measures the effect that the allegedly infringing use has had on the copyright owner's ability to exploit his original work"

in this case, the use of a watermarked image does not prevent the copyright owner's ability to exploit his original work. this is fair use.

I was going to ask where in the world do you get your ridiculous ideas on legal issues but now I see. You're quoting Wikipedia, which is a crowd-sourced encyclopedia and historically considered unreliable for accuracy.

You are dead wrong on "fair use" as usual. Stop posting your pseudo-legal nonsense, you are not an authority.

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« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 16:58 by memakephoto »

« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2018, 16:51 »
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https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html


Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of usessuch as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and researchas examples of activities that may qualify as fair use



memakephoto

« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2018, 16:56 »
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https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html


Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of usessuch as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and researchas examples of activities that may qualify as fair use

edited from above post:

While fair use includes news reporting (the one thing you got right) in this case the photo is not part of the story but simply a companion to make the story pretty. We know that because it's stock. It's obviously not related to the story in any real way. There's no attribution, no comment, critique or parody it's just there to add colour to the article.

So it is not fair use. You have a tenuous grasp of the concept at best so stop making these claims as if you're a legal expert. You don't even preface your misinformation with "in my opinion" you state it as if it's fact which only leads to more misinformation. Stop it.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 16:59 by memakephoto »

« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2018, 17:12 »
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re: "We know that because it's stock. "

Copyright laws are written by the federal government through the legislative branch. The judicial branch interprets the laws.

anything that a stock agency says is not law and not interpretation of law, and has no legal precedence whatsoever.

American citizens are under no obligation to follow the desires of stock agencies unless the stock agencies are in compliance with federal laws.

the use of this dreadlock photo is fair use. we know this because the news article is about dreadlocks, and the photo is dreadlocks. under the fair use doctrine in the US, the photo can be used without permission from the copyright holder, and without payment to the copyright holder. in addition, the watermark on the photo is transformative and fair use, as upheld in court.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 17:15 by unnonimus »

« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2018, 17:16 »
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you said: " in this case the photo is not part of the story but simply a companion to make the story pretty."

no, the photo is part of the story.

« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2018, 17:21 »
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you said: "Otherwise, remember fair use applies to a tiny set of usages.  And this isnt one of them."

the use is considered fair use because it is for editorial purposes, and the use of the watermarked version has been upheld in court to be fair use because the watermarked version  does not have commercial value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#U.S._fair_use_factors
"The fourth factor measures the effect that the allegedly infringing use has had on the copyright owner's ability to exploit his original work"

in this case, the use of a watermarked image does not prevent the copyright owner's ability to exploit his original work. this is fair use.

I was going to ask where in the world do you get your ridiculous ideas on legal issues but now I see. You're quoting Wikipedia, which is a crowd-sourced encyclopedia and historically considered unreliable for accuracy.

You are dead wrong on "fair use" as usual. Stop posting your pseudo-legal nonsense, you are not an authority.

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Exactly. Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. Is that where you got your law degree from unnonimus? 😂 Please just stop.

« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 17:24 by cathyslife »

memakephoto

« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2018, 17:22 »
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you said: " in this case the photo is not part of the story but simply a companion to make the story pretty."

no, the photo is part of the story.

Oh my bloody god. A stock photo is a generic image. That's kind of the definition. An image used in an article just to provide colour is not related to the story.

FAIR USE:

A guy takes a photo of a dog being beaten and puts it online. It goes viral and news agencies pick it up and use the photo in an article. The photo IS the story. Fair use.

NOT FAIR USE:
An online newspaper uses a generic stock photo of dreadlocks to accompany a human interest story on dreadlocks in the workplace. The only relationship there is between the photo and the story is the photo happens to contain dreadlocks. Not fair use.

I realize you still don't get it. You never will. You will go on poisoning the internet with your blather but perhaps someone else will read this and understand.


 

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