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« on: January 10, 2018, 08:19 »
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Hello everyone,

I'm opening this thread as we got lost offtopic where we shouldn't. Didn't know where to put it...

Is anyone here selling with Cavan?

They have an interesting agreement and are series exclusive. They also do all the keywording, you only have to add up to 5 tags. Cavan distributes through other agencies too (Offset e.g.). They pay contributors a 50% royalty.

I applied there out of curiosity and got accepted in less than 24 hours. I think even my Shutterstock application took longer than that...  ;D

Would appreciate any advice!

Thanks


« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2018, 09:51 »
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sure browsing through cavan images is so refreshing after watching some lifestyle shooters portfolio in ss. unbelievable how many money some have done in ss with zero talent.
cavan images and stocksy you can see clearly that most are artist first of all than photographer.

« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2018, 10:39 »
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Totally agree. They have 48432 pictures in their port on Offset account. Not sure if those are all images from their Cavan site or just a part of it. It would be useful to know how big is their contributor community so we can get a better picture if it's worth a try. They seem shy about everything, tried to get more info on their facebook, instagram etc. but nothing much there. Just looks nice...

« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2018, 10:46 »
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Totally agree. They have 48432 pictures in their port on Offset account. Not sure if those are all images from their Cavan site or just a part of it. It would be useful to know how big is their contributor community so we can get a better picture if it's worth a try. They seem shy about everything, tried to get more info on their facebook, instagram etc. but nothing much there. Just looks nice...

there is a list of contributor...i say 500/1000.

« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 10:51 »
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there is a list of contributor...i say 500/1000.

You're right, I missed that. Would say closer to 1000, so similar numbers like Stocksy :)

« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2018, 13:24 »
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You need to be careful about Cavan.  I believe this was originally just a Getty photographer who decided to allow other photographers to contribute to Getty through the Cavan brand.  Gradually that activity has expanded.  I believe Cavan has been able to negotiate good placement terms with Getty (and Fotolia Premium, Offset etc) because of good quality and past success, and Cavan are now capitalising on their position in the market by allowing lots of other photographers to use their brand.  In other words it is a successful photographer who has now become an 'agency'.  No harm in that of course.  Note that although they say they pay 50%, I believe what they pay is 50% of whatever they are paid by the other agencies.  So basically they are a portal through which others can gain access to Getty etc in exchange for giving Cavan 50% of the income.  Again no harm in that of course, so long as people are aware.

« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2018, 13:59 »
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Cavan is a macro stock agency that's why it's not mentioned much here. Clearly the quality of their images is way above the big 4. While they are a distributor on top of selling thru their site, the return is still higher than selling thru the big 4. We're in this game to make money so why not sell thru the highest paying agency? I joined them a while ago but haven't start submitting. I know they have in-house art directors to work with photographers on shoot concepts, which at times can be based on client's feedback. They have a closed Facebook group where contributors can converse.

I think series exclusive is an advantage, (of course you have to be good to get as many images accepted per series), the big money clients don't want to have a similar image being sold everywhere, they know if they go to certain agencies, they'll get that.

« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2018, 15:56 »
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I wouldn't call it just macro. They have Cavan Social collection with photos for $100.

Looks like I'll have to get in that facebook group and ask for more info there.

Thanks everyone for your time. It's easier to think clear when you have more than one brain ;D

« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2018, 16:53 »
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I have heard from several people that they are very pleased with Cavan. But I have no intention to apply as I already am a member of macrostock agencies.


I think to have one or two agencies that specialize in the macrostock market is a good way to have balance.

« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 13:05 »
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I started uploading.. We'll see how it goes :) It's a pity none of their contributors are here. It would be nice to hear if it's working for them

PaulieWalnuts

  • On the Wrong Side of the Business
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 13:27 »
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You need to be careful about Cavan.  I believe this was originally just a Getty photographer who decided to allow other photographers to contribute to Getty through the Cavan brand.  Gradually that activity has expanded.  I believe Cavan has been able to negotiate good placement terms with Getty (and Fotolia Premium, Offset etc) because of good quality and past success, and Cavan are now capitalising on their position in the market by allowing lots of other photographers to use their brand.  In other words it is a successful photographer who has now become an 'agency'.  No harm in that of course.  Note that although they say they pay 50%, I believe what they pay is 50% of whatever they are paid by the other agencies.  So basically they are a portal through which others can gain access to Getty etc in exchange for giving Cavan 50% of the income.  Again no harm in that of course, so long as people are aware.

Thanks. Good to know. They contacted me. I asked for more contributor financial detail but never heard back. Maybe they forgot to respond. Or maybe they're hoping for people who blindly join and submit without asking questions about the contract and rates.

Running some basic numbers here's what I'd guess. So they pay 50% of their cut from Getty which going by standard RF rates is 20%. And when using standard RF prices the max is around $600 or as low as a subscription of pennies. So best case of $600 after 20% is $120. 50% of that is $60 or about 10% of the original selling price. If the sale is subscription then it's 10% of pennies. And it's series exclusive which is at least a bit more flexible than contributor exclusive. Again only guestimates though.

« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 13:38 »
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Thanks. Good to know. They contacted me. I asked for more contributor financial detail but never heard back. Maybe they forgot to respond. Or maybe they're hoping for people who blindly join and submit without asking questions about the contract and rates.

Running some basic numbers here's what I'd guess. So they pay 50% of their cut from Getty which going by standard RF rates is 20%. And when using standard RF prices the max is around $600 or as low as a subscription of pennies. So best case of $600 after 20% is $120. 50% of that is $60 or about 10% of the original selling price. If the sale is subscription then it's 10% of pennies. And it's series exclusive which is at least a bit more flexible than contributor exclusive. Again only guestimates though.

They are reselling images, yes. But I'm already selling for pennies on Shutterstock, so I think this won't do any more harm. Pennies, pennies everywhere...

« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 13:52 »
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Maybe if enough people keep reporting back, we will all learn more about them.

If they accept a lot of people who were declined elsewhere, then this is a good thing. And it is probably only possible to join for a short time.

Do they also take video?

« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 14:04 »
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They do accept video. They have 3 categories: Cavan Images, Cavan Social and Cavan Motion. The last one, Motion are videos. Images and Social are just differently priced photos

PaulieWalnuts

  • On the Wrong Side of the Business
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2018, 14:23 »
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Thanks. Good to know. They contacted me. I asked for more contributor financial detail but never heard back. Maybe they forgot to respond. Or maybe they're hoping for people who blindly join and submit without asking questions about the contract and rates.

Running some basic numbers here's what I'd guess. So they pay 50% of their cut from Getty which going by standard RF rates is 20%. And when using standard RF prices the max is around $600 or as low as a subscription of pennies. So best case of $600 after 20% is $120. 50% of that is $60 or about 10% of the original selling price. If the sale is subscription then it's 10% of pennies. And it's series exclusive which is at least a bit more flexible than contributor exclusive. Again only guestimates though.

They are reselling images, yes. But I'm already selling for pennies on Shutterstock, so I think this won't do any more harm. Pennies, pennies everywhere...

But you're making pennies on high volume with SS. Cavan is higher price point which is usually lower volume. Lower price point and lower volume don't mix. But yes it's good to see there still a higher price point macro site with a reasonable 50/50 split surviving and actively recruiting contributors.

« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2018, 14:47 »
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If they take video, Ill have a look.

JaenStock

  • Bad images can sell.
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2018, 14:47 »
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HI! Cavan don't work with Getty!!

You can earn good money with cavan by Offset and Infinite.

For me the worst of sites like Cavan or w61 is that you can't erase the images that don't work.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 03:42 by JaenStock »


« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 16:47 »
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So The Question is why someone contribute to Canvan, who sell on Offstock, and not contribute Offset and sell directly?
Maybe on short term could be useful to have a big name/seller (canvan) to sell your stuff, but
At longterm i think it is mouch better to sell directly.
Am i wrong?

MilanStojanovic

  • I sample life
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 17:18 »
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For me the worst of sites like Cavan o w61 is you can't erase a don't work in macro session.

What is worst? I'm not sure I get what you are saying :)

« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2018, 17:32 »
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A friend of mine is with both Cavan and Offset, and told me the difference is if you shoot a session, say you have 100 images you wanted to submit, with Cavan, you don't have to retouch out the logos until they make their selection. With Offset, you'll have to retouch all 100 images and they will select a percentage. That's a lot of post production time not knowing how many images will be accepted.

Secondly, he gets 30% from Offset. Where as Cavan is 50% direct sale, and thru distributing partners i think it's around 20% of the retail price.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2018, 17:47 by rgphoto »

« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2018, 17:47 »
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So The Question is why someone contribute to Canvan, who sell on Offstock, and not contribute Offset and sell directly?
Maybe on short term could be useful to have a big name/seller (canvan) to sell your stuff, but
At longterm i think it is mouch better to sell directly.
Am i wrong?

True, I thought about Offset. But even if I manage to get accepted (haven't applied yet), Cavan isn't selling only through Offset. Here is a quote from their web page: ''We're proud to be featured in the premium collections at Adobe, Offset, Dissolve, Plainpicture, Amana, Gaopin, Imagine China, Imagefolk, and Alamy''

« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2018, 22:28 »
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Hi Cersei, like you I got my rejection from Stocksy last week after 3+ months of waiting and applied to Cavan and got accepted within 24 hours but I have not yet uploaded any images. I also applied to Offset and I am waiting on a response. I was hoping to get a golden ticket from Stocksy but  :'(. I have images with one Australian stock company so I am now trying to branch out.

« Last Edit: January 14, 2018, 23:15 by michellesphotostyle »

JaenStock

  • Bad images can sell.
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2018, 03:44 »
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For me the worst of sites like Cavan o w61 is you can't erase a don't work in macro session.

What is worst? I'm not sure I get what you are saying :)

Sorry my telephone english!!... the worst is you cant erase photos that dont work. In w61 you have a penalty for deleted photo. Is like Getty, you have to delet the whole portfolio in contractual end

« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2018, 09:11 »
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Hi Cersei, like you I got my rejection from Stocksy last week after 3+ months of waiting and applied to Cavan and got accepted within 24 hours but I have not yet uploaded any images. I also applied to Offset and I am waiting on a response. I was hoping to get a golden ticket from Stocksy but  :'(. I have images with one Australian stock company so I am now trying to branch out.

Hello Michelle, I'm so sorry about your Stocksy rejection, but I hope that somehow they did it for the right reasons both with you and me. I believe they know their customers really good and it doesn't mean that work won't sell well on some other sites.

Also, it's a good idea to have more options. Cavan and Offset may be similar but some of your images could be rejected by one and not by the other. If it's not a series, you can always try with another agency. I think I might apply to Offset too.

I spent some time searching through Cavan collection and many contributors have really small ports (up to 20 photos). Don't know if these are new contributors or the rejection rate is high ???

My acceptance rate with Cavan is about 40/60. It is very small sample for now but still means they do care about quality. Their keywording system (up to 5 tags, they add more) and in-house editing + fast response... Pretty good first impression!

« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2018, 22:21 »
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Hi Cersei, thank you. Yes Stocksy's collection is excellent because they know what works for them.  As their CTA FAQ says if you receive a rejection and want to resubmit:  "....submit a new body of work that will stand out vs blend into what currently exists with Stocksy." I've seen the portfolios of some of the new contributors who are adding something new to the stocksy collection. Please keep us posted on how things go for you with your offset submission and your Cavan sales. Good to hear that first impressions are good. I loved Stocksy's Image Manager though. So good to use.


 

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