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« on: November 29, 2018, 11:49 »
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I create some quotes lettering illustration and upload them on several agency and they are accepted on every stock agency. but istock rejected my vector for copyright and trademark issue. how it is possible when I am using perfect font. and quotes are before 1920. they are famous ancient philosophical quotes before 1920. so how there is any copyrigh or trademark problem. if someone have some knowledge about that please describe it. thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2018, 11:56 »
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I create some quotes lettering illustration and upload them on several agency and they are accepted on every stock agency. but istock rejected my vector for copyright and trademark issue. how it is possible when I am using perfect font. and quotes are before 1920. they are famous ancient philosophical quotes before 1920. so how there is any copyrigh or trademark problem. if someone have some knowledge about that please describe it. thanks.

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1. Just because one/some agency/ies accept content doesn't mean other/s will. Each has their own rules. It's their ball, their game, they can do what they like. Each has their own 'fence around the Law'.

2. Why not ask in iStock's own forum? There's a chance (not a certainty) that you might get an official answer.

« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2018, 11:58 »
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thanks

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2018, 01:12 »
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the fonts are definitely not copy protected in the US. neither are short phrases.

"Works Not Protected by Copyright"

- Names, titles, and short phrases
- Typeface, fonts, and lettering

US Copyright Office
https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ33.pdf

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2018, 02:46 »
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As always, unnonimus is slightly correct... but mainly completely wrong.

« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2018, 02:51 »
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the fonts are definitely not copy protected in the US. neither are short phrases.

"Works Not Protected by Copyright"

- Names, titles, and short phrases
- Typeface, fonts, and lettering

US Copyright Office
https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ33.pdf
thanks for your comment

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2018, 03:06 »
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As always, unnonimus is slightly correct... but mainly completely wrong.
  "There are some very limited cases where the Office may register some types of typeface,
typefont, lettering, or calligraphy. " to quote from his source.  The font used by the London Underground being one example.

« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2018, 03:09 »
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thanks for your comment. but in this case I only use free for commercial use fonts. and I have suitable licence and font author's permission too.
As always, unnonimus is slightly correct... but mainly completely wrong.
  "There are some very limited cases where the Office may register some types of typeface,
typefont, lettering, or calligraphy. " to quote from his source.  The font used by the London Underground being one example.

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2018, 03:47 »
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I am not sure, but I think that sometimes it is the translation of the quote to be copyrighted, not the quote itself.
Somebody can confirm that?

ShadySue

« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2018, 04:00 »
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the fonts are definitely not copy protected in the US. neither are short phrases.

"Works Not Protected by Copyright"

- Names, titles, and short phrases
- Typeface, fonts, and lettering

US Copyright Office
https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ33.pdf
thanks for your comment

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It's totally irrelevant, though.
If an agency decides not to accept photos of grass, that's their decision.

« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2018, 05:47 »
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it seems impossible when a quotation/saying/short phrase from the  ancient philosophers or from their books which is 18th or 19th century old for example aristotle and William Shakespeare quotes.  how it is possible to get copyright and trademark rejections with that. although the validity of and copyright protection is maximum 70 years. this case is could not be able to understand. otherwise thanks for your comment here.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2018, 08:18 »
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it seems impossible when a quotation/saying/short phrase from the  ancient philosophers or from their books which is 18th or 19th century old for example aristotle and William Shakespeare quotes.  how it is possible to get copyright and trademark rejections with that. although the validity of and copyright protection is maximum 70 years. this case is could not be able to understand. otherwise thanks for your comment here.

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Why would an agency want to offer anything that is not copyrighted, anybody can copy it.

« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2018, 10:57 »
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it seems impossible when a quotation/saying/short phrase from the  ancient philosophers or from their books which is 18th or 19th century old for example aristotle and William Shakespeare quotes.  how it is possible to get copyright and trademark rejections with that. although the validity of and copyright protection is maximum 70 years. this case is could not be able to understand. otherwise thanks for your comment here.

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Why would an agency want to offer anything that is not copyrighted, anybody can copy it.
you mean they are not accepting my files because andbody can re make that by using same quote.

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2018, 12:00 »
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I create some quotes lettering illustration and upload them on several agency and they are accepted on every stock agency. but istock rejected my vector for copyright and trademark issue. how it is possible when I am using perfect font. and quotes are before 1920. they are famous ancient philosophical quotes before 1920. so how there is any copyrigh or trademark problem. if someone have some knowledge about that please describe it. thanks.

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Do you have a link with an example of image you are talking about? Like a link from a different stock website that accepted it? Maybe the quotation is not the copyright issue, but another element in your design.

For instance, if you've used reference images, you would need to own the copyright of these, and upload the ref image as well: https://contributors.gettyimages.com/article.aspx?article_id=5190
« Last Edit: December 01, 2018, 12:04 by Not Today »

« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2018, 12:04 »
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I create some quotes lettering illustration and upload them on several agency and they are accepted on every stock agency. but istock rejected my vector for copyright and trademark issue. how it is possible when I am using perfect font. and quotes are before 1920. they are famous ancient philosophical quotes before 1920. so how there is any copyrigh or trademark problem. if someone have some knowledge about that please describe it. thanks.

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Do you have a link with an example of image you are talking about? Like a link from a different stock website that accepted it? Maybe the quotation is not the copyright issue, but another element in your design.
I don't use another additional elements just a simple font isolated on white background.

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2018, 12:11 »
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Did you use the word 'logo' as keyword, title, description?

''The iStock Content Licensing Agreement specifically prohibits clients from using our illustrations as logos (See section 3b: Restricted Uses: No use in Trademark or Logos). Describing your illustration as a logo is extremely misleading for clients as they are not allowed to use iStock illustrations as logos or trademarks. As such, if you use the word logo in your illustration (for example, you type Logo Template as placeholder text), or in your metadata (keywords, description, or title), your file will be declined. This information is also covered in our comprehensive Contributor FAQs site.''

Also

''Read the license that came with your font to ensure it can be used commercially (i.e. sold as a Royalty Free stock illustration). As per our ASA (Artists Supply Agreement), you are responsible for ensuring your submissions dont contain any legal issues. As such, you will need to check the font license to ensure its OK to use it commercially. When in doubt, please contact the font creator or type foundry for clarification.''

And

''All text must be converted to outlines. This is because clients likely dont have the same fonts as you, so editable text boxes in your le will default to a system font (such as Courier). In order to ensure clients are receiving the exact same file they saw on iStock you must convert all your text to outlines. To do this in Adobe Illustrator, just click on your text and go to Type > Create Outlines.''
« Last Edit: December 01, 2018, 12:16 by Not Today »

« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2018, 12:20 »
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Did you use the word 'logo' as keyword, title, description?

''The iStock Content Licensing Agreement specifically prohibits clients from using our illustrations as logos (See section 3b: Restricted Uses: No use in Trademark or Logos). Describing your illustration as a logo is extremely misleading for clients as they are not allowed to use iStock illustrations as logos or trademarks. As such, if you use the word logo in your illustration (for example, you type Logo Template as placeholder text), or in your metadata (keywords, description, or title), your file will be declined. This information is also covered in our comprehensive Contributor FAQs site.''

Also

''Read the license that came with your font to ensure it can be used commercially (i.e. sold as a Royalty Free stock illustration). As per our ASA (Artists Supply Agreement), you are responsible for ensuring your submissions dont contain any legal issues. As such, you will need to check the font license to ensure its OK to use it commercially. When in doubt, please contact the font creator or type foundry for clarification.''

And

''All text must be converted to outlines. This is because clients likely dont have the same fonts as you, so editable text boxes in your le will default to a system font (such as Courier). In order to ensure clients are receiving the exact same file they saw on iStock you must convert all your text to outlines. To do this in Adobe Illustrator, just click on your text and go to Type > Create Outlines.''
thanks but I never use the word logo email even i don't use the name of the philosophers as - cite where the quote comes from. for example 'aristotle'.

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2018, 12:30 »
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Seems that some of Aristotle work is still copyrighted in the US until 2023 and 2026 - that might be why then: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Aristotle

Otherwise, you should contact iStock support to get more information, or try to resubmit and hope for another reviewer.

ShadySue

« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2018, 12:41 »
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Why worry? Your files are on other sites so if someone wants them, they'll need to buy them there.
At one time iS would likely  have rejected any font you didn't design yourself, and more recently, they'd have rejected what you described as being "too simplistic". At the low selling rate there nowadays, they can't pay for detailed inspection so probably just tell inspectors just to reject quotations - they can't afford inspector time for research.
Finally, back in the day, I had a file rejected for having the name of the town visible. It was really small, but I had to remove it (prior to them accepting editorial). I questioned it on the forum and was told to my astonishment that the town name might be copyrighted. I couldn't imagine such a scenario, and anyway the town has had that name since at least the 11th century. But blanket rejections on town names.

Just move on.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2018, 12:47 by ShadySue »

« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2018, 12:44 »
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I think you are right. thanks for your valuable message.
Why worry? Your files are on other sites so if someone wants them, they'll need to buy them there.
At one time iS would likely  have rejected any font you didn't design yourself, and more recently, they'd have rejected what you described as being "too simplistic". At the low selling rate there nowadays, they can't pay for detailed inspection so probably just tell inspectors just to reject quotations - they can't afford inspector time for research.
Finally, back in the day, I had a file rejected for having the name of the town visible. It was really small, but I had to remove it (presumably editorial). I questioned it on the forum and was told to my astonishment that the town name might be copyrighted. I couldn't imagine such a scenario, and anyway the town has had that name since at least the 11th century. But blanket rejections on town names.

Just move on.

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2018, 12:58 »
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Why worry? Your files are on other sites so if someone wants them, they'll need to buy them there.
At one time iS would likely  have rejected any font you didn't design yourself, and more recently, they'd have rejected what you described as being "too simplistic". At the low selling rate there nowadays, they can't pay for detailed inspection so probably just tell inspectors just to reject quotations - they can't afford inspector time for research.
Finally, back in the day, I had a file rejected for having the name of the town visible. It was really small, but I had to remove it (prior to them accepting editorial). I questioned it on the forum and was told to my astonishment that the town name might be copyrighted. I couldn't imagine such a scenario, and anyway the town has had that name since at least the 11th century. But blanket rejections on town names.

Just move on.

Sad but true, the town name wouldn't be copyrighted as such, but the council holds copyright over every single street sign in the city, including a sign with the town name on it (at least that's how it works in the UK, not sure about the US)

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2018, 13:10 »
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For everyone dead 100 years, rest of the world and published before 1923 in the US. Works by this author published before January 1, 1923 are in the public domain worldwide because the author died at least 100 years ago.

New works or posthumous works could still be protected. Also just for example, someone collects writings of "author" and publishes that. Their version is protected but the historic old versions are not. You can't copyright a recipe or a joke. Really! But you can copyright a cookbook or a joke book.

...they can't pay for detailed inspection so probably just tell inspectors just to reject quotations - they can't afford inspector time for research.

I don't see how any quote from any ancient source would be the cause. Maybe you should include the author and a date such as circa or ca 322 BCE so they know it's not modern and protected. A reviewer can't know ever quote and date. You need to tell them the age and source so they can make a decision.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2018, 13:23 by Uncle Pete »

ShadySue

« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2018, 13:13 »
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Why worry? Your files are on other sites so if someone wants them, they'll need to buy them there.
At one time iS would likely  have rejected any font you didn't design yourself, and more recently, they'd have rejected what you described as being "too simplistic". At the low selling rate there nowadays, they can't pay for detailed inspection so probably just tell inspectors just to reject quotations - they can't afford inspector time for research.
Finally, back in the day, I had a file rejected for having the name of the town visible. It was really small, but I had to remove it (prior to them accepting editorial). I questioned it on the forum and was told to my astonishment that the town name might be copyrighted. I couldn't imagine such a scenario, and anyway the town has had that name since at least the 11th century. But blanket rejections on town names.

Just move on.

Sad but true, the town name wouldn't be copyrighted as such, but the council holds copyright over every single street sign in the city, including a sign with the town name on it (at least that's how it works in the UK, not sure about the US)

My rejection wasn't actually a street sign, or town sign, though.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2018, 13:51 by ShadySue »

« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2018, 14:54 »
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It's totally irrelevant, though.
If an agency decides not to accept photos of grass, that's their decision.

And THAT completely sums it up. Why is this thread even still hogging my RSS feeds?


 

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