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SA

« on: February 14, 2012, 05:15 »
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Hi, just a quick question:

Do you tag with "copyspace" or "copy space" or both?

Im not native English so I need some help. Started tagging with nobody and copyspace just a  few months ago.

/Simon


wut

« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2012, 05:27 »
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I don't think anyone is searching images using that term anyway, at least I've never seen it among keywords used for a DL at SS. I think it's just a waste of keywords, just like human, color, horizontal etc. It's quite obvious wether a photo has copy space, is a color image etc from a thumbnail. You can search by photo orientation at IS as well.

SA

« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 05:47 »
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Ok, do you others agree its not any point?

Wim

« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2012, 06:22 »
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I use "copy space" and add nobody, horizontal and the lot but I also have noticed no one buys images searching with those keywords.

So..it's up to you lad!

Carl

  • Carl Stewart, CS Productions
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2012, 07:19 »
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I use "copyspace."

WarrenPrice

« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 10:51 »
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Use either one in description field.  Buyer may not be searching on copy space or copyspace but seeing it in the description could make a difference.

And ... you can check the often used keywords at DT to see the level of use.

« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 13:56 »
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Hello Simon.  I use both "copy space" and "copyspace" and I also have "copy-space".  I haven't had a chance to check stats per download for that particular set of words to see if any of those work yet.

It's up to you if you use it or not but it wouldn't do any harm to have them in there.

« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 14:23 »
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Hello Simon.  I use both "copy space" and "copyspace" and I also have "copy-space".  I haven't had a chance to check stats per download for that particular set of words to see if any of those work yet.

It's up to you if you use it or not but it wouldn't do any harm to have them in there.
I agree. I don't see how it is 'wasting' keywords unless you have so many good ones that you are over the keyword limit, which never happens to me. I usually put on both 'copy space' and copyspace' if they are appropriate.

wut

« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 15:30 »
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Hello Simon.  I use both "copy space" and "copyspace" and I also have "copy-space".  I haven't had a chance to check stats per download for that particular set of words to see if any of those work yet.

It's up to you if you use it or not but it wouldn't do any harm to have them in there.
I agree. I don't see how it is 'wasting' keywords unless you have so many good ones that you are over the keyword limit, which never happens to me. I usually put on both 'copy space' and copyspace' if they are appropriate.

That's exactly what I had in mind. Many ppl also say images with fewer keywords do better in searches (agencies say that as well)

rinderart

« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 17:19 »
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copy-space

« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2012, 21:08 »
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Hello Simon.  I use both "copy space" and "copyspace" and I also have "copy-space".  I haven't had a chance to check stats per download for that particular set of words to see if any of those work yet.

It's up to you if you use it or not but it wouldn't do any harm to have them in there.
I agree. I don't see how it is 'wasting' keywords unless you have so many good ones that you are over the keyword limit, which never happens to me. I usually put on both 'copy space' and copyspace' if they are appropriate.

That's exactly what I had in mind. Many ppl also say images with fewer keywords do better in searches (agencies say that as well)
That's true. It is known that DT weights searches in a way that punishes you if you have a lot of keywords. I forgot about that.

« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2012, 22:27 »
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copy-space

Copy space
because
CopySpace is trademark of IS as they clame in they footer:

Copyright 2012 iStockphoto LP. iStockphoto, iStock, iStockaudio, iStockvideo, iStockalypse, Vetta and CopySpace are trademarks of iStockphoto LP. All other marks are the property of their respective owners.

« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2012, 22:57 »
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According to the SS keywords trends "copyspace" is about twice as popular as "copy space" and "copy-space" barely registers. The data looks pretty spotty though.

(and don't use CopySpace - that would be too iStocky)

« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 00:35 »
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I've often pondered this exact same question! I consider it a less valuable keyword depending on the subject matter. If it's an image that is tough to keyword, I will put in both variations of it to cover the bases... can't hurt ;)

SA

« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2012, 02:37 »
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Ok, thanks for the input. I will use only copyspace in the future I think. Doesnt seem to be so important either....

« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2012, 05:08 »
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^  The iStock CV uses "Copy Space" so you should have that for them at least.  But many images there are also tagged with "Copyspace".  Best use both I would think.

« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2012, 22:43 »
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According to the SS keywords trends "copyspace" is about twice as popular as "copy space" and "copy-space" barely registers. The data looks pretty spotty though.

(and don't use CopySpace - that would be too iStocky)

Interesting that "copyspace" beats out "copy space" as a keyword but SS's system rejects "copyspace" as an error, suggesting you change it to "copy space" or "copy-space".  You still have the option to leave it as one word but it seems like SS needs to update their keyword rejection program if they're rejecting the term that is the most commonly used for search according to their own tool.


Microbius

« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2012, 09:39 »
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copy-space
Nope, hyphenated words are almost without exception a waste of time.
copyspace, space, copy, and if you have room in your 50 "copy space", in that order.

« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 10:58 »
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A lot of English words are split up in two words.
A lot of buyers are not native English and perhaps are not always sure about the spelling of their search.

So when the subject is a two-word-word or the words are hyphenated I always use all possible combinations.
Indeed like: copy, space, copy space, copyspace, copy-space.

But I am not sure using the words apart are confusing for search systems.
Space and copy apart have total different meaning other than copy space.
When searching only for space or for copy all images with copy space in the keywords will show up too.
Using this as keyword seems not useful to me, since agencies give the advise to leave copy space in all images!
For the same reason it is useless to keyword millions of images beautiful.

Microbius: Why do you think that hyphenated words like copy-space are a waste of time?
A lot of words are spelled hyphenated in English (at least according to my Dictionary).

Microbius

« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2012, 11:34 »
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Because buyers never search for them, check Yuri's keywording tool, and the SS trends one, and the comments Yuri made after his study of searches made by buyers.

« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2012, 11:43 »
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Didn't know that... I suppose this is not true for words that ought to be hyphenated?

Microbius

« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2012, 11:59 »
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Seems to be, but check it out yourself and let us know if you spot any that are search for in any significant numbers. Copy-space certainly isn't and it can definitely be written with a hyphen.

« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2019, 11:09 »
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Hello! I want to revive this topic. Current people, how do you use it?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 12:27 »
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Hello! I want to revive this topic. Current people, how do you use it?
On Alamy, copy space and copyspace. There don't seem to be many recorded searches using these, (many more use copy space than copyspace) but I'm seldom anywhere near maxing-out keywords, so why not?

BTW, IIRC I think the CopySpace trademark referred to a tool which indicated where the copyspace was on an image, back in the day. (I'm failing to google the info, at least it's not in the first many pages.)
« Last Edit: February 10, 2019, 12:34 by ShadySue »

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 12:50 »
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Hello! I want to revive this topic. Current people, how do you use it?

Copy Space as one word, no others. Keep in mind I'm a minimalist as far as keywords go. But as long as you are asking I also add No One as one word for images with no people. Many sites have a box for that information. Not sure how helpful either of those is, but no harm that I could imagine.

« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 13:31 »
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Did a search on SS

copyspace:  1,754,935 results
copy space: 8,662,747 results


« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2019, 14:04 »
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Did a search on SS

copyspace:  1,754,935 results
copy space: 8,662,747 results

says it all really doesn't it :D


« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2019, 14:38 »
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Did a search on SS

copyspace:  1,754,935 results
copy space: 8,662,747 results

says it all really doesn't it :D

That's not bad 240,000,000 out of the way.
cat copyspace gets you down to 66 pages
cat and copy space 365 pages

black cat and copyspace 16 pages
black cat and copy space 92 pages

black cat copyspace and nobody gets you on the front page
black cat copy space nobody 8 pages mostly not black :)

« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2019, 23:50 »
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So, better use copy space haha

« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2019, 03:33 »
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It might give you penalties if you start ranking for copy and for space individually (if your image isn't about copy or space)... anyone tested this?

« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2019, 10:09 »
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Forget it.  Customers do not appear to search using copyspace words.

For my first few years at microstock (exclusive at iStock) I always included copyspace, copy, space, copy-space etc as I believed these words were important.

Then in October 2012 or thereabouts iStock changed their search algorithm,  Suddenly all my photos with copyspace words disappeared from searches that included those words.  I wrote to istock about this and they replied to say that the new search placed priority on the top most popular words for each file, and that copy, space etc never came into the top seven (or rarely).  I asked them again and they replied again to say that according to their records there is absolutely no evidence that customers search using the copyspace words.

When I became non-exclusive after a while I could see at Shutterstock, 123RF etc the most popular words used for searches.  At SS using the 'most popular' listing not one of my thousands of files show copy, space or any derivative in the top three keywords.  My keyword cloud at 123RF has never included those words (I believe they show the top fifty or so.

Nowadays I don't include those words in any of my files.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2019, 11:14 »
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Forget it.  Customers do not appear to search using copyspace words.

For my first few years at microstock (exclusive at iStock) I always included copyspace, copy, space, copy-space etc as I believed these words were important.

Then in October 2012 or thereabouts iStock changed their search algorithm,  Suddenly all my photos with copyspace words disappeared from searches that included those words.  I wrote to istock about this and they replied to say that the new search placed priority on the top most popular words for each file, and that copy, space etc never came into the top seven (or rarely).  I asked them again and they replied again to say that according to their records there is absolutely no evidence that customers search using the copyspace words.

When I became non-exclusive after a while I could see at Shutterstock, 123RF etc the most popular words used for searches.  At SS using the 'most popular' listing not one of my thousands of files show copy, space or any derivative in the top three keywords.  My keyword cloud at 123RF has never included those words (I believe they show the top fifty or so.

Nowadays I don't include those words in any of my files.

I love research, especially when I don't have to do that myself. Thanks!



« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2019, 13:44 »
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Forget it.  Customers do not appear to search using copyspace words.

For my first few years at microstock (exclusive at iStock) I always included copyspace, copy, space, copy-space etc as I believed these words were important.

Then in October 2012 or thereabouts iStock changed their search algorithm,  Suddenly all my photos with copyspace words disappeared from searches that included those words.  I wrote to istock about this and they replied to say that the new search placed priority on the top most popular words for each file, and that copy, space etc never came into the top seven (or rarely).  I asked them again and they replied again to say that according to their records there is absolutely no evidence that customers search using the copyspace words.

When I became non-exclusive after a while I could see at Shutterstock, 123RF etc the most popular words used for searches.  At SS using the 'most popular' listing not one of my thousands of files show copy, space or any derivative in the top three keywords.  My keyword cloud at 123RF has never included those words (I believe they show the top fifty or so.

Nowadays I don't include those words in any of my files.

Interesting. But I recently read an article in 500px where they firmly encouraged to include that keyword...

« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2019, 16:06 »
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Forget it.  Customers do not appear to search using copyspace words.

For my first few years at microstock (exclusive at iStock) I always included copyspace, copy, space, copy-space etc as I believed these words were important.

Then in October 2012 or thereabouts iStock changed their search algorithm,  Suddenly all my photos with copyspace words disappeared from searches that included those words.  I wrote to istock about this and they replied to say that the new search placed priority on the top most popular words for each file, and that copy, space etc never came into the top seven (or rarely).  I asked them again and they replied again to say that according to their records there is absolutely no evidence that customers search using the copyspace words.

When I became non-exclusive after a while I could see at Shutterstock, 123RF etc the most popular words used for searches.  At SS using the 'most popular' listing not one of my thousands of files show copy, space or any derivative in the top three keywords.  My keyword cloud at 123RF has never included those words (I believe they show the top fifty or so.

Nowadays I don't include those words in any of my files.

Interesting. But I recently read an article in 500px where they firmly encouraged to include that keyword...

You asked, because you don't know. We answered and now you want to argue? Use it if you want don't if you don't.

« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2019, 16:09 »
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Forget it.  Customers do not appear to search using copyspace words.

For my first few years at microstock (exclusive at iStock) I always included copyspace, copy, space, copy-space etc as I believed these words were important.

Then in October 2012 or thereabouts iStock changed their search algorithm,  Suddenly all my photos with copyspace words disappeared from searches that included those words.  I wrote to istock about this and they replied to say that the new search placed priority on the top most popular words for each file, and that copy, space etc never came into the top seven (or rarely).  I asked them again and they replied again to say that according to their records there is absolutely no evidence that customers search using the copyspace words.

When I became non-exclusive after a while I could see at Shutterstock, 123RF etc the most popular words used for searches.  At SS using the 'most popular' listing not one of my thousands of files show copy, space or any derivative in the top three keywords.  My keyword cloud at 123RF has never included those words (I believe they show the top fifty or so.

Nowadays I don't include those words in any of my files.

Interesting. But I recently read an article in 500px where they firmly encouraged to include that keyword...

You asked, because you don't know. We answered and now you want to argue? Use it if you want don't if you don't.
Lmao chill. I said it was interesting and thank you all for the posts. I said the thing they published in 500px to show that  maybe they are wrong and nobody uses that keyword anymore


 

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