Author Topic: Drop in status... We are not RF photographers... we are LBRF :) (Read 1820 times)

Morphart · « **on:** January 04, 2012, 11:43 »

Just found this funny today,

I went to the whole process with Agefotostock to get my portfolio on their RF site, took a while and they explained me...:

In your case, we have taken more time in editing your material because we noticed that you are a "microstock" photographer. Consequently, your images can´t be uploaded as Royalty Free (RF) and we have moved them to our Low Budget Royalty Free (LBRF) offer named "easyFotostock".

Just found it funny... and I guess it really represents most of what we sell... LBRF, I'll use that one in the future

(Don't ask me the difference between RF and LBRF, except the price there must be something in their license but... still funny

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BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2012, 12:06 »

Quote from: Morphart on January 04, 2012, 11:43

Just found this funny today,

I went to the whole process with Agefotostock to get my portfolio on their RF site, took a while and they explained me...:

In your case, we have taken more time in editing your material because we noticed that you are a "microstock" photographer. Consequently, your images can´t be uploaded as Royalty Free (RF) and we have moved them to our Low Budget Royalty Free (LBRF) offer named "easyFotostock".

Just found it funny... and I guess it really represents most of what we sell... LBRF, I'll use that one in the future (Don't ask me the difference between RF and LBRF, except the price there must be something in their license but... still funny )

I expect you'll see what the difference is when the time comes for them to pay you for what they have sold

Sounds like they are setting up their own microstock site.

lthn · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2012, 12:20 »

How about Losers Bracket?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2012, 13:04 »

how have you add your portfolio into Agefotostock?

I have already portfolio there from Yaymicro (LBRF) like half of what I have in Yay website

But I have also my portfolio into Zoonar, a little more files but cannot find it on Agetostock and they have been approved for that partner and a few others..

cardmaverick · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2012, 13:12 »

So I would guess that "RM Stock" is now being called "PITA Stock"?

Ed · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2012, 13:51 »

Curious as to how they found out?

pancaketom · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2012, 13:57 »

Is this the same portfolio that is at other micro sites? - in which case I can see why they would do that. If it is a different portfolio but they are doing this merely because you sell other stuff as micro that is another story - and guaranteed to keep you selling micro and thus competing with higher priced offerings no matter how good the images are.

Morphart · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:40 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 04, 2012, 13:04

how have you add your portfolio into Agefotostock?

I have already portfolio there from Yaymicro (LBRF) like half of what I have in Yay website

But I have also my portfolio into Zoonar, a little more files but cannot find it on Agetostock and they have been approved for that partner and a few others..

You can find all the info here: http://www.agefotostock.com/phroad/ingles/phroad00.asp

Basically it's a lengthy process. You contact them, then you need to print and sign contracts. then send DVDs of your portfolio that you want online to them by mail along with the contract. Then they get to the system, have to be selected, once selected they are processed and once processed and if the files are OK they are sent over to be sold on the web... and then you need to choose 2 categories and few other tick box for each of your images and submit them to await keywording approval (your IPTC data is read but they ask to choose 2 category)

Hope this helps!

Don't know yet if it's worth it, my images

Morphart · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:42 »

Quote from: pancaketom on January 04, 2012, 13:57

Is this the same portfolio that is at other micro sites? - in which case I can see why they would do that. If it is a different portfolio but they are doing this merely because you sell other stuff as micro that is another story - and guaranteed to keep you selling micro and thus competing with higher priced offerings no matter how good the images are.

Yes this is the same portfolio I have elsewhere, trying to maximize the profit off my current portfolio. I am not shocked by this, I can understand that if I sell my images at 10$ everywhere and they try to sell the same image for 40$ they will have a hard time.

Just found it funny as I never heard of LBRF before

luissantos84 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:49 »

Quote from: Morphart on January 05, 2012, 08:40

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 04, 2012, 13:04
how have you add your portfolio into Agefotostock?

I have already portfolio there from Yaymicro (LBRF) like half of what I have in Yay website

But I have also my portfolio into Zoonar, a little more files but cannot find it on Agetostock and they have been approved for that partner and a few others..

You can find all the info here: http://www.agefotostock.com/phroad/ingles/phroad00.asp

Basically it's a lengthy process. You contact them, then you need to print and sign contracts. then send DVDs of your portfolio that you want online to them by mail along with the contract. Then they get to the system, have to be selected, once selected they are processed and once processed and if the files are OK they are sent over to be sold on the web... and then you need to choose 2 categories and few other tick box for each of your images and submit them to await keywording approval (your IPTC data is read but they ask to choose 2 category)

Hope this helps!

Don't know yet if it's worth it, my images

I see, I have seen that page yesterday but looking there I don´t see a "point" to join once I have my portfolio already there from yaymicro and zoonar (which I haven´t found already but have email them)

yay pays also 50%, zoonar I am at 75% (over 3k pictures)

why have you decide to join on their website? do you know anybody reporting sales from there?

thanks again

Morphart · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:38 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 04, 2012, 13:04

why have you decide to join on their website? do you know anybody reporting sales from there?

No it was just referred to me by someone as I have a lot of old 18th century images in my portfolio and there is a decent amount on their site, thought I would give it a try. I am not at Yay nor at Zoonar, didn't they they were partners with them. Now that the process is done I guess I'll just submit, wait and see if any extra income comes from there, will keep you posted.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:44 »

Quote from: Morphart on January 05, 2012, 09:38

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 04, 2012, 13:04
why have you decide to join on their website? do you know anybody reporting sales from there?

No it was just referred to me by someone as I have a lot of old 18th century images in my portfolio and there is a decent amount on their site, thought I would give it a try. I am not at Yay nor at Zoonar, didn't they they were partners with them. Now that the process is done I guess I'll just submit, wait and see if any extra income comes from there, will keep you posted.

thanks! a great day for you

dirkr · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:53 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 05, 2012, 08:49

I see, I have seen that page yesterday but looking there I don´t see a "point" to join once I have my portfolio already there from yaymicro and zoonar (which I haven´t found already but have email them)

yay pays also 50%, zoonar I am at 75% (over 3k pictures)

why have you decide to join on their website? do you know anybody reporting sales from there?

thanks again

Zoonar pays 60% for partner sales irrespective of your percentage on their own site IIRC.

And those 60% (or 50% from Yay) are after the cut agefotostock takes, so probably you'll get more when you submit directly. Whether that's worth the additional effort, no idea.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:58 »

Quote from: dirkr on January 05, 2012, 09:53

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 05, 2012, 08:49

I see, I have seen that page yesterday but looking there I don´t see a "point" to join once I have my portfolio already there from yaymicro and zoonar (which I haven´t found already but have email them)

yay pays also 50%, zoonar I am at 75% (over 3k pictures)

why have you decide to join on their website? do you know anybody reporting sales from there?

thanks again

Zoonar pays 60% for partner sales irrespective of your percentage on their own site IIRC.

And those 60% (or 50% from Yay) are after the cut agefotostock takes, so probably you'll get more when you submit directly. Whether that's worth the additional effort, no idea.

I see, same thing that happens with other agencies, the all contract and categories doesn´t look good, lot of effort

TheDman · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2012, 13:52 »

They recommend your camera be at least 12 megapixels, and will accept jpgs no smaller than 26 MB "saved at quality 10 or higher in Photoshop". What 12 megapixel camera produces 26 MB jpgs, especially saved at quality 10?

mtilghma · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2012, 15:23 »

Maybe YOU are low budget. I, on the other hand, am extravagance personified.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:11 »

Quote from: TheDman on January 05, 2012, 13:52

They recommend your camera be at least 12 megapixels, and will accept jpgs no smaller than 26 MB "saved at quality 10 or higher in Photoshop". What 12 megapixel camera produces 26 MB jpgs, especially saved at quality 10?

I wish I understood who you were answering and what you were talking about? Who is "they"? It sounds like some strange requirements.

TheDman · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2012, 01:50 »

The Agefotostock link that Morphart posted above. It details the requirements for becoming a contributor there. Strange requirements indeed... I wonder how anyone gets accepted!

bizair · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2012, 03:10 »

Quote from: TheDman on January 05, 2012, 13:52

They recommend your camera be at least 12 megapixels, and will accept jpgs no smaller than 26 MB "saved at quality 10 or higher in Photoshop". What 12 megapixel camera produces 26 MB jpgs, especially saved at quality 10?

None. I think what is meant is 26MB uncompressed (such as a tiff file at 8 bits). The jpg compressed image of such a file will end up around 2 to 6 MB depending on content.

ShadySue · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2012, 07:23 »

Quote from: bizair on January 06, 2012, 03:10

Quote from: TheDman on January 05, 2012, 13:52
They recommend your camera be at least 12 megapixels, and will accept jpgs no smaller than 26 MB "saved at quality 10 or higher in Photoshop". What 12 megapixel camera produces 26 MB jpgs, especially saved at quality 10?

None. I think what is meant is 26MB uncompressed (such as a tiff file at 8 bits). The jpg compressed image of such a file will end up around 2 to 6 MB depending on content.

Yup, that's how Alamy express too (24Mb uncompressed). The good thing is that you can see the size in the Photoshop window - you don't need to get the calculator out for odd crops.

Paraphenildiamide · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2012, 06:33 »

Yes, we seem to be Low Budget. is that strange? If we are selling mostly under $10 and a lot less what can we expect to be called "Big Budget?

Paraphenildiamide · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2012, 06:48 »

**Basically it's a lengthy process. You contact them, then you need to print and sign contracts. then send DVDs of your portfolio that you want online to them by mail along with the contract.**

I´m with them and while they accept DVD´s, in case that they run into a senile shooter, the best option is FTP or HD´s if you send a ton of images that I doubt you have.

>>Then they get to the system, have to be selected, once selected they are processed and once processed and if the files are OK they are sent over to be sold on the web...<<

I find great that they edit my images.

>>...and then you need to choose 2 categories and few other tick box for each of your images and submit them to await keywording approval (your IPTC data is read but they ask to choose 2 category)<<

This is surreal if it was not wrong. You only need to add a category when you send video clips, otherwise your IPTC only needs "Description" and "Keywords" as simple. You don´t need to go your area there if you don´t want to.

Paraphenildiamide · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2012, 06:53 »

>>They recommend your camera be at least 12 megapixels, and will accept jpgs no smaller than 26 MB "saved at quality 10 or higher in Photoshop". What 12 megapixel camera produces 26 MB jpgs, especially saved at quality 10?<<

You need to read between lines. Most pros knows that 12mpx cameras yields 36MB of data once decompressed. If they require a 12mpx camera and accepts 26MB files that implies that they accept images from cameras around 8mpx but suggest to use better cameras. Not a bad deal.

Paraphenildiamide · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2012, 07:05 »

>>The Agefotostock link that Morphart posted above. It details the requirements for becoming a contributor there. Strange requirements indeed... I wonder how anyone gets accepted!<<

age fotostock seems to have been in business more than 30 years and have offices in different cities of the world, obviously they may have been doing something correctly, or maybe all the photographers that work with them are a bunch of masochists. So you are wondering about matters that you don´t know well.

I´m one of photographers, I´m not a masochist, and on top they do a pretty professional job for me and on top they have a private social area that rocks. You need to be one of their photographers though, but they respond, clarify and help technically.

Morphart · « **Reply #24 on:** February 27, 2012, 21:17 »

Quote from: Paraphenildiamide on February 26, 2012, 07:05

age fotostock seems to have been in business more than 30 years and have offices in different cities of the world, obviously they may have been doing something correctly, or maybe all the photographers that work with them are a bunch of masochists. So you are wondering about matters that you don´t know well.

I´m one of photographers, I´m not a masochist, and on top they do a pretty professional job for me and on top they have a private social area that rocks. You need to be one of their photographers though, but they respond, clarify and help technically.

... This thread was just to state something FUNNY I found in their nomenclature, not a personal attack on you, their system or their photographer?

Cheer up! We are used to be called RF in microstock, LBRF was a first for me... Repeat after me... FunnnnnnY... FUN....NY.... FUNNN!!!!

Quote from: Paraphenildiamide on February 26, 2012, 06:48

I´m with them and while they accept DVD´s, in case that they run into a senile shooter, the best option is FTP or HD´s if you send a ton of images that I doubt you have.

They (Eva) required to have signed contracts send by mail along with identity proof. Upload over 32 gb of images on FTP or send the contract along with DVDs? Don't have to be senile to be stupid it would seem eh?

Thanks for being an *, you're helping everyone understand the nice community there!

Good thing that not every photographer on their Yammer are like you.

Of course FTP is the best way to increase a portfolio without the hassle, you're quite impressively brilliant!

Quote from: Paraphenildiamide on February 26, 2012, 06:48

I find great that they edit my images.

Your point?

Quote from: Paraphenildiamide on February 26, 2012, 06:48

This is surreal if it was not wrong. You only need to add a category when you send video clips, otherwise your IPTC only needs "Description" and "Keywords" as simple. You don´t need to go your area there if you don´t want to.

You have to do this, else they will not get the final approval to get online. For your case, they might do it for you, if thats the case, great for you. This forum is to give information to people. In any case having your image set in categories is not a lengthy process, and it cannot hurt your search results.

Quote from: Paraphenildiamide on February 26, 2012, 06:53

Quote from: TheDman on January 05, 2012, 13:52 >>They recommend your camera be at least 12 megapixels, and will accept jpgs no smaller than 26 MB "saved at quality 10 or higher in Photoshop". What 12 megapixel camera produces 26 MB jpgs, especially saved at quality 10?<<

You need to read between lines. Most pros knows that 12mpx cameras yields 36MB of data once decompressed. If they require a 12mpx camera and accepts 26MB files that implies that they accept images from cameras around 8mpx but suggest to use better cameras. Not a bad deal.

Not all people here are pros, not need to laugh at them pal

.

Quote from: Paraphenildiamide on February 26, 2012, 07:05

>>The Agefotostock link that Morphart posted above. It details the requirements for becoming a contributor there. Strange requirements indeed... I wonder how anyone gets accepted!<<

age fotostock seems to have been in business more than 30 years and have offices in different cities of the world, obviously they may have been doing something correctly, or maybe all the photographers that work with them are a bunch of masochists. So you are wondering about matters that you don´t know well.

I´m one of photographers, I´m not a masochist, and on top they do a pretty professional job for me and on top they have a private social area that rocks. You need to be one of their photographers though, but they respond, clarify and help technically.

What he was trying to say is that they're requirements are not the standard in the microstock world, and the answer to that is that they I would class them more as a Midstock collection and a Macrostock collection, thus the different requirements, even tho Alamy don't ask that much (contract, ID proof and such).

Quote from: Paraphenildiamide on February 26, 2012, 07:05