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« on: September 20, 2007, 14:29 »
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Boy, there used to be a time when we (Canadians) earned U.S. $ we were really doing good.  In the recent past it was worth 40 cents more than our dollar. 

Our dollar is high, but U.S. is also low.   Has it had much on everyone's earnings in other places - Great Britain, etc. much?

Here's the news today - I NEVER thought I'd see this again:  (Hey Leaf - as an ExPat you may be interested in this....)


Canadian dollar hits parity with greenback
Updated Thu. Sep. 20 2007 1:40 PM ET

The Canadian dollar reached parity Thursday morning with the U.S. currency for the first time in nearly 31 years.

The loonie was supported by lofty commodity prices, a strong domestic economy and concerns about a U.S. economic slowdown.

At 10:58 a.m. EDT, the loonie rose as high as US$1.0004 before backing off to 99.86 cents US -- up 1.36 cents US from Wednesday.




« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2007, 14:38 »
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At the start of 2006, a dollar was worth about 0.57.  It is now worth about 0.50.

So if if someone in the UK earned $1,000 in 2006, it would make about 570 but now it is only 500.  I feel sorry for those in the UK who earn $10,000 a month :)

I don't know why all the sites deal in dollars.  I would have thought one of them would go for Euros or pounds.  Fotolia is the only one that pays me in .

« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2007, 14:45 »
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So if if someone in the UK earned $1,000 in 2006, it would make about 570 but now it is only 500. 

If someone in Canada earned $500 at the height of USD/CAD, it would make $800CAD. Now it's only 500. How about that?

« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2007, 14:48 »
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yeah, it is too bad for us micro stockers the US $$ is so low.

One good thing though is that the prices in the US stores are also relatively speaking lower (for those of us who like to buy camera gear online).

« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2007, 15:10 »
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I'm in the U.S. and this has been weighing heavily on my mind.  Not because of the falling dollar, but because I have an eary feeling that some (ok at least one) of the micros may be making money on us through arbitrage.

I know of a couple micros that have various foreign sites.  Per the TOS, on some sites, the contributer is to be paid a percentage of revenue.  If the agency is charging customers 2 Euro for an image in France, and $2USD for an image in the US, then why am I only getting 33 cents USD on a French sale?  Wouldn't it be 33% of the 2 Euro (which would be more than 33 cents USD)?  The other side of this is why would a customer buy from an agency with a site in France if they can buy the same images cheaper from that same agency on a US based site (in USD).  I need to think about this a bit more but it's a theory.

This wouldn't apply to Shutterstock or Dreamstime or Bigstock, etc. because either customers have to pay in USD or the TOS specifically states a pre-determined dollar amount (Shutterstock is 25 cents or 30 cents USD).


« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2007, 15:28 »
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USD is simply going through a long term gradual devaluation in order to correct trade and budget imbalances.  Better that it is gradual and controlled than a sudden drop which would cause panic and loss of confidence.

This has been happening for a long time.  In 1954 one USD bought 6,000 JPY (Japanese Yen).  Today that same dollar buys only 140 JPY........

The same thing will happen to the Chinese Yuan, which will probably appreciate at an average rate of 15% per annum compound for at least the next 20 years.

Just think yourselves lucky you are not in Zimbabwe, where the local currency has fallen 98% against the US Dollar over the last two years.  A local bottle of milk now costs $50 instead of $1.  Mind you, Zimbabwe does have a monthly inflation rate of 2,000% (which is what happens when currencies suddenly collapse).

Happy days..........

« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2007, 15:33 »
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Talking of inflation, the Zimbabwe situation is why Greenspan has warned this week of possible double digit interest rates in the years ahead.  Currency devaluation risks importing inflation, particularly in a country like the US which has a huge trade imbalance.  Think about it - if the USD drops 10% suddenly all the foreign goods in the shops cost 10% more......and if that gets out of control..........

US friends can expect mortgage rates of 9%, 11% or higher sometime in the next three or four years.  What that will do to the housing market doesn't bear thinking about, given its already fragile state.

Not good.

« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2007, 15:49 »
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US friends can expect mortgage rates of 9%, 11% or higher sometime in the next three or four years.  What that will do to the housing market doesn't bear thinking about, given its already fragile state.

That is highly unlikely. 8%-9% maybe if things get really bad. Lets look at this in a historical perspective.


« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2007, 16:03 »
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Yingyang, cycles repeat.  We are presently in 1968.  Be warned.

« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2007, 16:58 »
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If someone in Canada earned $500 at the height of USD/CAD, it would make $800CAD. Now it's only 500. How about that?
Tell me about it - I was getting almost a 15% bonus from the currency exchange when I started at the beginning of the year, now I get nothing.

Things will change though - there's an election on the horizon, and I'm hopeful that most Americans will make good choices.

« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2007, 18:51 »
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I don't know why all the sites deal in dollars.  I would have thought one of them would go for Euros or pounds.  Fotolia is the only one that pays me in .

Given that a huge part of my sales in FT are from Europe, I would love to receive those credits in euros....

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2007, 19:01 »
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Quote

Things will change though - there's an election on the horizon, and I'm hopeful that most Americans will make good choices.

Let's hope so(this coming from an American).

« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2007, 19:28 »
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I don't believe there is palpable connection between choice in the next (or last for that matter) election and current USD devlaluation. Forces that are in play here are way beyond the scope and timeframe of efforts of any given government. Think of it in terms of housing situation which plays significant role here; of Feds polcies in inflation control; stock market fluctuations, etc etc. It would be way too flatering for any President or Senate or else to consider them one of factors of such scale.

« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2007, 20:25 »
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I don't believe there is palpable connection between choice in the next (or last for that matter) election and current USD devlaluation. Forces that are in play here are way beyond the scope and timeframe of efforts of any given government. Think of it in terms of housing situation which plays significant role here; of Feds polcies in inflation control; stock market fluctuations, etc etc. It would be way too flatering for any President or Senate or else to consider them one of factors of such scale.
There is actually a pretty concrete connection. The president is the one who submits a federal budget and decides whether to continue the war. Balance the budget, in part by withdrawing from Iraq, and you'll see the the current account deficit diminish and the value of the dollar rise. Simple macroeconomics.

« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2007, 21:12 »
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Sorry, will have to respectfully disagree here... Evaluate the cost of war on macroeconomic scale and you'll see that it, well, leaves a dent but not much more than that. Also, and majorly, things like annual budget are very fleeting when we are talking about such macro-trends. When CAD was at 1.60 vs USD, did Canada go to war, or had unbalanced budget? In fact, Canada has balanced budgets for what, 25-30 years now? And fights mostly mosquitos in prairie provinces not spending on military anything above amounts bordering with indecent. Yet CAD went to historic lows - with strong economy, decent employment numbers... It wasn't until oil prices exploded and CAD became seen as resource-pegged currency that it went up.

If you are talking about trading deficit (which is far from straightforward thing), housing credit crunch (and all related credit issues), questionable Feds rate regualtion policy (matter of separate and very involved discussion), China USD reserves, possible unpegging of oil from USD by oil-producing countries in Middle East, and couple dosens things of this scale - then yes, I'll agree that they are singificant factors. Current President is merely blip on radar of these things, I'll venture to suggest that whoever hypotetically won last election or two - situation with USD would have been exactly the same as today. Just as Clinton didn't have much, if anything, to do with stock market surge in 1998-2000, Dubya had nothing to do with its crash in 2001. Consider also huge inertia of these things, they take quite a while to wortk their way through the system - in other words, economic mistakes of last c year won't reflect in events and reaction of this or next, and when we are talking about these long term trends, count in decades and use geopolitic terms

I understand common desire to put all the blame on widely disliked President... but this one is misplaced, IMO. Not because he did something right about that, but simply because it takes much longer and greater "social engineering" or mistaken economic policies to influence such huge economy as USA's. I could site some concrete examples to illustrate the thesis but heck, it has nothing to do with photography, and I think I wrote way too much about it already to bore you all to death :)

« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2007, 22:09 »
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It's not just the plainly visable costs of the war. Studies show that war increases the real interest rate and reduces investment. (cite if needed). The reduced investment has a very real effect on the demand for US dollars. I've also never read a study saying it takes decades for policies to take effect. In fact most say that the "policy lag" is at most 18 months. To be frank, I don't know much about Canada's government or economy because I only focused on hard currencies in college. I do know the US though, and the President and his adminstration do have a real impact on the nation's economy.

Now to get back on topic...Personally I think we've hit or will hit the trough by the beginning of spring '08.

« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2007, 22:31 »
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I am not talking about particular study. It's a rate cut or hike that takes about 18 month to work its way through the system, yes - which makes monthly Feds decisions very questionable approach as I said earlier - so, when we are talking about currency trend over last 4-5 years, when should the influencing factors start? :)

And war and its impact on economy... umm, at the risk to offend people of good will I will still have to suggest anyone interested to have a look at market's reactions on war announcement... spring of 2003 is the latest example.

Anyway, you can't ignore example of Canada in this comparison. Closest neighbour, very similar economy trends, strong interconnection. My example of what happened with CAD over last 10 years is relevant to show that a lot of factors you attribute USD downtrend to simply didn't exist north of border, yet currency  depreciated very significantly. Even without any further analysis that alone would be enough to question the validity of those factors, don't you think?


« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2007, 23:25 »
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I'm not trying to start an argument because I know nothing about economics - but wasn't the US in Vietnam or just out of Vietnam the last time the CDN $ was this high?  1976?

When CAD was at 1.60 vs USD, did Canada go to war, or had unbalanced budget? In fact, Canada has balanced budgets for what, 25-30 years now? And fights mostly mosquitos in prairie provinces not spending on military anything above amounts bordering with indecent.

Hmm.. then why are so many Canadians dying in Afganistan?  (And why is my nephew taking advanced bomb squad training to go there in a few weeks? :'()

« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2007, 23:39 »
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The US$ is the most overvalued currency on the globe.

The government has a terrible spending problem with defence, and the sub-prime mortgage market has burned a lot in the finance sector.


« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2007, 00:00 »
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Ha ha , you are talking abut inflation , well its a bit out of bounds but if someone wants to here an interesting story.

I remember when I was kid in ex YU , somewhere from mid to late 80-ties. The inflation was so big the the money was loosing value every day. Every year they were printing new bills , or better to say same bills but they were adding zeros to them. So what it used to be 100 dinars in the beginning of the year it ended the year like 10 000 or something like that.

The good thing , people who were taking long time bank loans , had to return 10 times smaller amount at the end of the year , and that stupidity was so huge , that if you ,lets say took a loan to buy a house ,  after 3-4 years the amount of money you had to return was amount you would need to buy an ice-cream or two.


I remember i needed more than 10000000 to go and play few pinball or a pool games at that time, and two years back I could buy a car for that amount.


Sorry again if nobody cares but I just thought it was a interesting story.

« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2007, 00:35 »
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Sorry again if nobody cares but I just thought it was a interesting story.

Yeah you are right Lizard. nobody cares ... lol

« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2007, 00:45 »
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Sorry again if nobody cares but I just thought it was a interesting story.

Yeah you are right Lizard. nobody cares ... lol

So , you quote every post you don't care about or ?


« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2007, 00:51 »
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Even without any further analysis that alone would be enough to question the validity of those factors, don't you think?
Sorry but I don't see analysis, I see hyperbole. You're using the Canadian economy to extrapolate what effects the US economy yet as you yourself pointed the Canadian economy is heavily dependent on oil (and logging), whereas the US economy is predominately a service economy. That would seem to indicate that what is good for Canada (high oil prices) is bad for the US. I'd like to see either actual empirical evidence or an academic article before you convince me.

P.S. I looked at the spring of '03 and the US dollar depreciated drastically over the months following announcement. How does that help your case?

« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2007, 00:59 »
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I'm not trying to start an argument because I know nothing about economics - but wasn't the US in Vietnam or just out of Vietnam the last time the CDN $ was this high?  1976?
Yep. very similar situation. Very unpopular president (Nixon), after a very unpopluar war. large trade deficits, etc.

« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2007, 08:16 »
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Pixart, you missed the point I am afraid... I said: "When CAD was at 1.60 vs USD, did Canada go to war, or had unbalanced budget?". We werne't anywhere near Afgan when CAD was that low, that was my point.

yingyang, sorry, I meant STOCK market reaction, not currency, should have elaborate. As for the rest, sorry, it becomes way too involved. I could cite a lot of analysis, but as you can appreciate we are restrained by a framework of forum devoted to completely different topics...  What you see as hyperbole is simply an analogy to show that your reasoning doesn't work in another place with similiar situation, in attempt to keep the discussion of highly complicated topics on a essily understood for non pros level. Also, every time it comes to Bush, US vs whoever, emotions run so high that it's kind of hard to maintain coldblooded discussion. So I'll bow out on this, with just one advice from somone who makes a living trading various markets: if you think popularity of a current president is a serious factor in currency valuiation, do not try to trade Forex :)


 

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