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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2017, 03:00 »
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The rest: there is a rest?

iStock?

Karen, iStock sales for July* are not available now, as I know ;)

*see thread title

Download numbers are available, but not money earned.

where?

Account management > Profile.

It is literally 'downloads year to date', but I've been recording them, so I know how many I've made this month.
After the bump earlier in the month, I understand it's now as accurate as any iS/Getty recording is likely to be.

On which website? I can't find it on ESP (and can't login to istock from workplace)


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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2017, 03:07 »
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ESP

Account Management is top right of the page and Profile is one of the tabs near the top on the left.

« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2017, 03:41 »
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July it is bad but not with Shutterstock...(for a video port)

1. Shutterstock normal with 40 sales  (2500 clips & 250 pic)
2. Videoblocks down 50 % (3200 clips)
3.Fotolia/Adobe down 80% (2500 clips & 200 pic)
4.Pond5 down 80% (over 3500 clips & 250 pic)
5. Dreamstime normal with 10+ sales (3200 clips & 250 pic)
6.Depositphotos down 60% (3200 clips & 250 pic)
7. 123rf down 80% (3200 clips & 250 pic)
8.Istock up 50% (with only 250 clips)

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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2017, 03:53 »
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It feels like the worst month ever, but looking at the stats... last July, I made 76% of what I made in June.This year, I've already made 78% of what I made last month, with a few days to go... so I guess it's not all that bad. And last August went back up to around June levels, so hopefully the same thing will happen this year. Fingers crossed.   

« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2017, 10:43 »
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SS pretty good thanks to two EL's, one yesterday, one today. Without those, it would be OK, not good, but not bad either. Compared to last july I made 3 times more, but last july was extremly bad.

FT another disastrous month. I'm making less with more photos and silver rank compared to, when I was bronze and had less photos.

Canva pretty good, not best month, but not bad either

Photodune BME thanks two 2 EL's

Other low earning sites as usual. Low earnings

angelawaye

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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2017, 12:00 »
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July is such a disaster I feel embarrassed for myself ...

« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2017, 01:08 »
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The rest: there is a rest?

You can use Deepmeta to see how many sales your did the last months and then compare with the value in ESP Profile. Not good for me in July anyway...  :'(

iStock?

Karen, iStock sales for July* are not available now, as I know ;)

*see thread title

Download numbers are available, but not money earned.

where?

Account management > Profile.

It is literally 'downloads year to date', but I've been recording them, so I know how many I've made this month.
After the bump earlier in the month, I understand it's now as accurate as any iS/Getty recording is likely to be.

Thank you ShadySue, I did not notice that.
So you have to record the number at the end of the month and then count the difference.
Was it so difficult for iStock to give the number of downloads from the beginning of each month? ? ? ? ?  >:(
But as now one sale amount can space from $0.02 to $100+ I am not sure that it is very useful.

« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2017, 04:53 »
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my july has been the worst too, I am not positive anymore, the more I upload the less I sell. Well, digital world changes continuosly, I had already put a limit in the profits for the future shooting for microstock, time has arrived. It is high time we gave it up if we wished the profits we have had till 2 or 3 years ago. Microstock companies have opened up to everybody, there isnt almost any control of the quality of the pics, almost everything is accepted so it is almost impossible that our pics, even of highest quality, are bought as before. you cannot help it.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2017, 06:40 »
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Look to be slightly up on last year, so not too bad I guess given current trends.
Of course I work full time on this so an only marginal gain means a big drop in RPI.

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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2017, 07:07 »
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my july has been the worst too, I am not positive anymore, the more I upload the less I sell. Well, digital world changes continuosly, I had already put a limit in the profits for the future shooting for microstock, time has arrived. It is high time we gave it up if we wished the profits we have had till 2 or 3 years ago. Microstock companies have opened up to everybody, there isnt almost any control of the quality of the pics, almost everything is accepted so it is almost impossible that our pics, even of highest quality, are bought as before. you cannot help it.

i agree. look some portfolio asking review here...some where so amateur that makes me think why they are accepted.
i change my tactic off uploading in last period because the most important thing is that good photos are sold and sell soon they uploaded, if not they go buried by some millions files, and as i already aid anybody wants to search infinitely for a relevant files with good and correct keyword in that mess under the tab new files. thats why those who have many popular files still are selling good.

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« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2017, 00:36 »
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people constantly uploading is what keeps these sites alive!  and then expecting sales among 400 million pictures all scattered all over the Internet. As one agency-boss said: if uploading was reduced only by 25% Oh boy then we would have to get our act together. Our files are an agencys assets,  think about that when you go to the bank and ask for a potential loan of $10 million. Agencies are using OUR assets not only for selling but also for all sorts of negotiations. SS would never have gone public without our pictures would they.

« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2017, 00:51 »
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people constantly uploading is what keeps these sites alive!  and then expecting sales among 400 million pictures all scattered all over the Internet. As one agency-boss said: if uploading was reduced only by 25% Oh boy then we would have to get our act together. Our files are an agencys assets,  think about that when you go to the bank and ask for a potential loan of $10 million. Agencies are using OUR assets not only for selling but also for all sorts of negotiations. SS would never have gone public without our pictures would they.
It surprises me how shallow investors seem to be....in the various Q and A sessions I've never seen once an investor question the quality of the "assets" but just suck up the boast about number of images. While I don't share your vision of impending disaster sooner or later SS growth will slow and I expect investors to do a bit of digging....

« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2017, 01:32 »
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I once joined a company with a massive warehouse of old, unsellable stock.  Still with some value on the balance sheet though written down. Took ages to convince top management that there was no value here - just extra costs storing and auditing and space filled up which could be better used..... And that was face to face and literally walking them round them the space!
But how you get this message to shareholders about such intangible assets as our files is a serious problem.....

Till somebody realizes this, new files, no matter how good, just get washed away in the flood. On the other hand, if they only accept truly professional stuff requiring full frame cameras, studios, 38 different reflectors etc we are still up the creek as they WILL still sell for pennies.

Can't win this game.

« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2017, 03:05 »
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I'm sure there are benefits for sites having a huge amount of images.  Most of them have gone from strange rejection policies that often rejected good images to accepting low commercial value images.  Is it because they do much better with Google with more images?  I don't think the shareholders care about much, just look at the people investing in banks when they were about to go bust.  Most investors have a lot of similarities with gamblers.

« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2017, 03:33 »
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I once joined a company with a massive warehouse of old, unsellable stock.  Still with some value on the balance sheet though written down. Took ages to convince top management that there was no value here - just extra costs storing and auditing and space filled up which could be better used..... And that was face to face and literally walking them round them the space!
But how you get this message to shareholders about such intangible assets as our files is a serious problem.....

Till somebody realizes this, new files, no matter how good, just get washed away in the flood. On the other hand, if they only accept truly professional stuff requiring full frame cameras, studios, 38 different reflectors etc we are still up the creek as they WILL still sell for pennies.

Can't win this game.
I guess the cost of storage etc is close to zero the problem is though I don't think the search algorithms are good enough to present buyers with good choices. I think in the past the sites had a far higher standard than buyers which was also counter productive. The pendulum has swung too far the other way.

« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2017, 10:23 »
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I guess the cost of storage etc is close to zero the problem is though I don't think the search algorithms are good enough to present buyers with good choices. I think in the past the sites had a far higher standard than buyers which was also counter productive. The pendulum has swung too far the other way.

never thought i'd see the day i'd agree with you, pauws, but this time i am in agreement.
if i look at my consistent top sellers, i would say they're pretty ordinary compared to many , no, alot  of my non-sellers.
unique, "amazing" photography, do not make stock great sales. it's like music.. or art.. or even cuisine..
like the newspaper is meant for what? primary 5 readers, trying to sell cordon bleu to the masses is pretty much suicide,
as with trying to sell coltrane to the masses who go "awwwww!" at lady gaga or celine dion ,etc.
stock photos are the same. we waste out time trying to catch the great one, when really it's the silly stupid minnow that they really want. so, as they give us peanuts for stupid monkeys, give them minnows  8)

stop upgrading your equipment, sell the whole sebang and shoot with mob.  everything else is profit!!!

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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2017, 10:48 »
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Same here Paws!!  youre spot on!  I just hate to agree with you, hate it!!!! ;D ;D


« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2017, 11:24 »
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[/quote] I guess the cost of storage etc is close to zero the problem is though I don't think the search algorithms are good enough to present buyers with good choices. I think in the past the sites had a far higher standard than buyers which was also counter productive. The pendulum has swung too far the other way.
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I don't think  the buyers now have higher standards than the sites - st least not SS. I think they are equally low.

When I see some of the show-me, just-sold-this threads it just makes me despair.

« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2017, 11:25 »
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"stop upgrading your equipment, sell the whole sebang and shoot with mob.  everything else is profit!!!"
If only that was true. Depends where you live. Here fixed costs and taxes have to be paid even if I don't sell a bean...! :(
« Last Edit: July 30, 2017, 11:29 by sarah2 »

« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2017, 13:53 »
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Same here Paws!!  youre spot on!  I just hate to agree with you, hate it!!!! ;D ;D
I'm sure normal service will be resumed soon ;-)

« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2017, 18:07 »
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62% down on my bme, but lets say 50% down on my average before sales plunged overnight
« Last Edit: July 31, 2017, 03:39 by Microstockphoto »

« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2017, 00:39 »
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I don't think the algorithm will ever be good enough for everyone. There will also be someone dissatisfied with it because their files are not showing up on the search.

On amazon, sellers are complaining that their search placement is not high enough, so they buy advertisement on the search rankings. If you do a search for 'led writing tablet', you get over 100 results. And it's like this for nearly every product. And then you have the App Store, where there are nearly 2 million apps and everyone is angry that their app can't be found. Or webmasters frustrated that their website doesn't rank high enough on Google or Bing.

That's basically the problem of any search engine. Not matter how good the algorithm, it will never be good enough for everyone. The only way to get visibility is to understand each search engine and optimize the heck out of everything.

« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2017, 00:53 »
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I don't think the algorithm will ever be good enough for everyone. There will also be someone dissatisfied with it because their files are not showing up on the search.

On amazon, sellers are complaining that their search placement is not high enough, so they buy advertisement on the search rankings. If you do a search for 'led writing tablet', you get over 100 results. And it's like this for nearly every product. And then you have the App Store, where there are nearly 2 million apps and everyone is angry that their app can't be found. Or webmasters frustrated that their website doesn't rank high enough on Google or Bing.

That's basically the problem of any search engine. Not matter how good the algorithm, it will never be good enough for everyone. The only way to get visibility is to understand each search engine and optimize the heck out of everything.
By definition an Algorithm well never be good enough for everyone....its purpose though is to maximise profit for SS or whoever not to satisfy sellers.....we are probably third in line behind buyers who the sites need to keep happy with images to suit their needs. They also need to keep sellers sufficiently interested to keep uploading but this doesn't currently seem an issue.

« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2017, 12:59 »
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we are probably third in line behind buyers who the sites need to keep happy with images to suit their needs. They also need to keep sellers sufficiently interested to keep uploading but this doesn't currently seem an issue.

definitely, as i said before, if they drop an sjlocke and let him suffer a shortfall, and instead please 1000 or even 10,000 marginal contributors that would go on ss forum every day as soon as the end the month with 30 dollars, they would not be lacking any new images from sjlocke. there's enough copycat to fill his void, and yes, their work won't be as good as sean's, but really,
the buyers can't see the diff anyway!  it's like hamburgers..you feed them garbage and eventually millions will buy from you everyday ;)

« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2017, 14:51 »
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For me there is another reason why most agencies now accept everything: reviewers cost a lot of money and they generally do an extremely bad job.
How can you expect reviewers paid peanuts to guess which files are going to sell?
Even if an image is plain, stupid and technically wrong, it can be just what the customer needed in that moment.
I understand the strategy of most agencies, at least the surviving one: accept everything and let the market choose which images are the winners.
Then their search engine becomes extremely important: people who have no sales are immediately; downgraded and basically disappear from the scene, as if their images were not approved, only that the choice is made by the buyers, not the reviewers (and also doesn't cost any money).
It does make a lot of sense


 

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