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POLL: Please vote which "FAIR TRADE AGENCY" will be the first in our "Joint promotion and marketing campaign"!

Shutterstock
80 (18.3%)
iStock
12 (2.7%)
Fotolia
7 (1.6%)
Dreamstime
34 (7.8%)
DepositPhotos
19 (4.3%)
123RF
18 (4.1%)
Pond5
61 (14%)
Stockfresh
33 (7.6%)
Canstockphoto
21 (4.8%)
Bigstockphoto
2 (0.5%)
Veer
5 (1.1%)
Envato
7 (1.6%)
YayMicro
15 (3.4%)
GLStockImages
65 (14.9%)
FeaturePics
5 (1.1%)
PantherMedia
0 (0%)
MostPhotos
5 (1.1%)
Crestock
0 (0%)
Cutcaster
5 (1.1%)
Alamy
43 (9.8%)

Total Members Voted: 170

Voting closed: April 03, 2013, 08:54

Author Topic: POLL: Let's promote together "The best contributor friendly agency"! First time!  (Read 15180 times)

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« Reply #125 on: April 02, 2013, 16:14 »
+2
Not always on everything, but fine, add them to the next poll and only include sites that pay 50% or more (most of the time?). That would solve the questions of who we should or shouldn't vote for. If it was only for places that are 50% and up (most of the time?), why are all the Microstock sites that don't pay that, included as an option.

See where it's confusing? And it said "The best contributor friendly agency"

I like Alamy even at 40% Distributor makes 40% I make 40%

40% Distributor Commission    30.90    
40% Distributor Commission    27.80

It's not necessarily all about %. It's about what you get paid per sale. I think many of us were surprised (as was I) at the number of votes SS got because it is pretty much known as the lowest per sale agency out there.

I actually think this poll was pretty interesting because it shows most contributors don't really care about RPD at all. They'd rather promote SS because... Actually, I'm not really sure why. I guess that would be a good follow up question.


Shortly

-most people joined there in same  model as they have now

-they never played tricky moves trying to grab in the part they promised to contributors

-when they were dominant in their part of market they showed intention to push prices up...and
share that with us

- their forum is most democratic and never banned people for nothing , at least I feel that way

-never throw limits

- never rejected for we have enough of those

-never set upload limits

- i like their transparency

- never experienced sale returns there

I can put more reasons if u want
That's fine if you are a hobbyist but not if you are in this to make  a living.  I'll take 4$ or more a dl over less than a dollar any day.
I made over $800 with SS last month and $60 with DT, so the higher RPD with DT is meaningless to me.  My highest RPD site is alamy but I average less monthly earnings with them than with DT lately.  So I'm not that concerned about RPD.  It would be nice if it was higher with SS but I'm much more interested in how much each site makes each month.

It would be nice if buyers went to higher RPD sites and downloaded the same amount of images but that doesn't happen.  I think they buy more than they need with SS but with the higher priced sites, they download less.  So RPD isn't as important as some people think it is.  For the best RPD, why bother with microstock at all?


« Reply #126 on: April 02, 2013, 17:02 »
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I made over $800 with SS last month and $60 with DT, so the higher RPD with DT is meaningless to me.  My highest RPD site is alamy but I average less monthly earnings with them than with DT lately.  So I'm not that concerned about RPD.  It would be nice if it was higher with SS but I'm much more interested in how much each site makes each month.

It would be nice if buyers went to higher RPD sites and downloaded the same amount of images but that doesn't happen.  I think they buy more than they need with SS but with the higher priced sites, they download less.  So RPD isn't as important as some people think it is.  For the best RPD, why bother with microstock at all?

I understand. It is totally meaningless until it means something.  ;D

Seriously though, it's hard to find sites that both pay well and have enough volume to be profitable or have potential (I had to build one of them). That doesn't mean the two are mutually exclusive. 60% of my earnings last month came from 12% of my sales. Like you, my top site earned me over $800 (if SS was your top site), but the RPD was around $7.

None of that happened overnight though. I'd like to think that I had something to do with it by choosing to go "all in" on my high RPD sites and let the other ones just coast. But, those sites had to show some signs of life. For example, I like Cutcaster, but I don't think it would matter how many files I upload there.

« Reply #127 on: April 03, 2013, 03:59 »
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Royalty per download (RPD) is not quite good measure! For more money on SS the reason could be that they have excellent selling-price management which attract customers more than others agencies, where customers will spend more than usual! That is certainly the truth in case of Shutterstock!
So crucial thing have to be how much from that they are ready to give to their contributors and nothing else, no RPD or RPI etc.
Just royalty rate!

Everyone who want to change the opinion in this poll, can remove his voting with click on "REMOVE VOTE" button under the poll, and can do it again!
« Last Edit: April 03, 2013, 04:11 by borg »

« Reply #128 on: April 03, 2013, 11:06 »
0
We have the winner! Shutterstock!

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #129 on: April 03, 2013, 11:15 »
0
We have the winner! Shutterstock!

I don't think.

As SS has not obtained the absolute majority (50% +1) what do you think about to do a second round with the first 2 (or 3)?
« Last Edit: April 03, 2013, 11:19 by Beppe Grillo »

« Reply #130 on: April 03, 2013, 11:23 »
0
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 14:55 by Audi 5000 »

Poncke

« Reply #131 on: April 03, 2013, 11:25 »
0
Haha, this is exactly what was predicted to happen.

« Reply #132 on: April 03, 2013, 12:40 »
+2
I think I'll promote Shutterstock by drinking a cold beer.  Now that's sorted, I'm ready to get to work promoting the second place site :)

EmberMike

« Reply #133 on: April 03, 2013, 13:27 »
0

I wouldn't even back the 2nd place company, GL, honestly. I just don't see them being able to grow in any significant way. My earnings there have been steadily slipping for over a year now. I still think Stockfresh is the real up-and-comer. I'm seeing $120-180 a month at SF, and $30-40 and GL. There's just no comparing them.

I know it defeats the purpose of this if we don't back the winning company, but I just can't see any value in backing SS and I'm not convinced that GL has the ability to do much more than what they are currently doing. 

« Reply #134 on: April 03, 2013, 13:46 »
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Maybe you think that we haven't any result with this poll! We have!
Now we know better who we are...

Poncke

« Reply #135 on: April 03, 2013, 13:52 »
-1

.... I still think Stockfresh is the real up-and-comer....

I am waiting for the poll on the right to settle down and then I think I am going to submit to them as I see more and more people report good sales. They are between CanStockPhoto and 123

« Reply #136 on: April 03, 2013, 19:52 »
+1

I wouldn't even back the 2nd place company, GL, honestly. I just don't see them being able to grow in any significant way. My earnings there have been steadily slipping for over a year now. I still think Stockfresh is the real up-and-comer. I'm seeing $120-180 a month at SF, and $30-40 and GL. There's just no comparing them.

I know it defeats the purpose of this if we don't back the winning company, but I just can't see any value in backing SS and I'm not convinced that GL has the ability to do much more than what they are currently doing.

At least someone is making money there.  However, I think the real up and comer is still up for grabs and I would not vote for SF over P5 or GL simply due to the pricing of images.  If any of those three were to take off, I'd vote P5.  We would make a lot more money there....assuming all things equal in terms of number of buyers.  Our goal should be to begin taking steps to reverse the poor commission trends that result from skeleton pricing.  As I've stated before, 50% of a tiny sale (.38 x .5 = .19 cents) amount doesn't make a site stand out.  50% of a $10 sale is a lot juicier, so I recommend we push buyers to these sites....which I am doing at work and with some of my designer friends.


Poncke

« Reply #137 on: April 03, 2013, 20:38 »
-1
38 cent is the full cut not 19 cent

EmberMike

« Reply #138 on: April 03, 2013, 21:07 »
-1
...I think the real up and comer is still up for grabs and I would not vote for SF over P5...

I'm probably just out of the loop on this one, but what's the deal with Pond5? I thought they were a partner with 123RF and our work went to them via 123?

Are you uploading direct to P5?

« Reply #139 on: April 04, 2013, 03:14 »
-1
...I think the real up and comer is still up for grabs and I would not vote for SF over P5...

I'm probably just out of the loop on this one, but what's the deal with Pond5? I thought they were a partner with 123RF and our work went to them via 123?

Are you uploading direct to P5?
I upload to 123rf and my images aren't at pond5 so I am uploading directly there.

« Reply #140 on: April 04, 2013, 04:14 »
-1
...I think the real up and comer is still up for grabs and I would not vote for SF over P5...

I'm probably just out of the loop on this one, but what's the deal with Pond5? I thought they were a partner with 123RF and our work went to them via 123?

Are you uploading direct to P5?
You can ask P5 to remove your images from 123 and upload your portfolio direct.  But I'm not sure what's best with vectors.  As they've merged with Pixmac, you might be best off uploading via Pixmac.  The queue is slow with Pond5 but it's worth it for 50% commission and being able to set your own prices.

« Reply #141 on: April 04, 2013, 04:28 »
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Why not make this promotion for all the sites that have been around for a few years and pay 50% commission or more?  I think we should give them a contributors fair trade award and inform buyers that they pay a commission that makes this sustainable for us.  If we end up getting 15% commission or virtually giving away our images for $12, this is going to turn in to a hobby.  The only way I can stay motivated to produce new microstock images is if buyers move to sites that pay us a fair share.

It's not just about the commission percentage, if sites guaranteed that we weren't going to have any more commission cuts, I'd be able to see a future in microstock.  Until they do that, there's little point in working harder for less money each year until it becomes completely unsustainable.


EmberMike

« Reply #142 on: April 04, 2013, 14:20 »
-1
I upload to 123rf and my images aren't at pond5 so I am uploading directly there.

You can ask P5 to remove your images from 123 and upload your portfolio direct...

Thanks, guys. I haven't been able to find any of my images at Pond5, so I'm assuming they aren't being sent over from 123RF. Looks like I'm missing out by not having my stuff there. Guess I'll start uploading direct.

« Reply #143 on: April 04, 2013, 14:38 »
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I upload to 123rf and my images aren't at pond5 so I am uploading directly there.

You can ask P5 to remove your images from 123 and upload your portfolio direct...

Thanks, guys. I haven't been able to find any of my images at Pond5, so I'm assuming they aren't being sent over from 123RF. Looks like I'm missing out by not having my stuff there. Guess I'll start uploading direct.

They don't have their vector uploads set up yet, so you may have to wait a month or 2. Unless you go through Pixmac, but they don't have the price setting features set up there. So, I'm waiting until it all gets settled.

EmberMike

« Reply #144 on: April 04, 2013, 14:53 »
-1
They don't have their vector uploads set up yet, so you may have to wait a month or 2. Unless you go through Pixmac, but they don't have the price setting features set up there. So, I'm waiting until it all gets settled.

Thanks, Cory. Guess I'll be waiting also, then.

« Reply #145 on: April 04, 2013, 15:46 »
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I'm interested to know why somebody has given minuses to the last 4 or 5 posts.  Not complaining that I got one but just genuinely interested.

« Reply #146 on: April 04, 2013, 16:17 »
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I'm interested to know why somebody has given minuses to the last 4 or 5 posts.  Not complaining that I got one but just genuinely interested.

LOL. I was wondering that too. I thought my post was helpful. As opposed to the usual useless garbage that comes out of my mouth.  ;D

Maybe, it was sort of off topic? I don't know.

EmberMike

« Reply #147 on: April 04, 2013, 19:40 »
+1

Haters gonna hate.

;)


« Reply #148 on: April 06, 2013, 03:47 »
0
What we should do now!?
Suggestions please!

Poncke

« Reply #149 on: April 06, 2013, 04:03 »
0
What we should do now!?
Suggestions please!
Let it go, you'll never get an agreement. Its not going to work like a democracy where the most votes is the winner. Its all individuals with their own agenda. Nothing wrong with that. It was a good attempt, and now everybody moves on, just as always.


 

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