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« on: September 08, 2012, 01:09 »
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"Most products have a certain file span on the market. It can be long or short depending on product or service"

Microstock images have the same, life span, of course. Have you ever think what kind of it is or how long it could be average. Lets say, you have a new image/images, how income will change in the future. Something likes that:

1. year income 100%
2. year income 100%
3. year income 75%
etc..

Of course there is thousands of  factors that affect the results, but without that analysis, just average.


« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2012, 03:39 »
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Interesting topic. But with out thew analysis, based on just a rough gut feeling, there's not much point. Not only that, I wouldn't know where to begin to provide even remotely accurate figures.

In case you're interested in just finding out, read Tom Grill's Image Half Life, or get the values from Arcurs

« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2012, 08:54 »
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Thanks, half life explain very much!

Batman

« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2012, 19:10 »
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Interesting topic. But with out thew analysis, based on just a rough gut feeling, there's not much point. Not only that, I wouldn't know where to begin to provide even remotely accurate figures.

In case you're interested in just finding out, read Tom Grill's Image Half Life, or get the values from Arcurs


Watch out the last people that said this shelf life for pictures got his head chopped off by the queen of hearts.  http://www.microstockgroup.com/16812/16812/msg270699/#msg270699

tab62

« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2012, 22:02 »
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but a a diamond last forever  ;D



digitalexpressionimages

« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 09:17 »
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The life span of images has more to do with the agency search engine than the image itself. I was with DT for years before branching out into other agencies and many images that had stopped selling years ago on DT suddenly flew off the shelves at places like SS. The only explanation is that the images were no longer showing up in search results on DT as they tend to favour new material.

I am considering deleting all my old material that no longer sells, wait a year or so and reupload so that they're fresh again.

« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 09:25 »
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This image from 2004 just licensed:


Also, this from 2006 (not the best, I know):


I get a few from 05-07 on every page of dls.

OM

« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 12:23 »
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The life span of images has more to do with the agency search engine than the image itself. I was with DT for years before branching out into other agencies and many images that had stopped selling years ago on DT suddenly flew off the shelves at places like SS. The only explanation is that the images were no longer showing up in search results on DT as they tend to favour new material.

I am considering deleting all my old material that no longer sells, wait a year or so and reupload so that they're fresh again.

Agree. When FT changed it's search to favour new uploads, most of my best selling images just stopped dead. No half-life, no anything except no more sales. After I went to SS in July, one previous best seller on FT has once again become my best seller but now on SS. Fortunately, it's an image that doesn't date too quickly and I see no reason for it to stop selling in the near future.
If only these half-life destroyers would go and do something useful like work in the nuclear industry, the world would be a safer place!  ;D

lisafx

« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2012, 12:34 »
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I agree that search engine placement has more to do with it than age of the image.  When Istock changes their search engine to favor older images, all of a sudden I will see images that are 5 or more years old with few to NO downloads start to sell. 

The things that would make images themselves age out of usefulness would be changing fashions in clothing or hair, and changing technology.  Micro hasn't been in existence long enough for fashion or hair to change drastically.   Images with out-of-date laptops, cellphones, etc. would have aged out by now, but unless your port is very tech heavy it shouldn't be too much of an issue.   

Changing photo technology would be an issue too, but after post processing, there is very little noticeable difference between an image shot with a 20D or a 60D except the pixel count.  The change from film to digital was much more pronounced, but that is more an issue for Trads who have collections dating back decades, rather than micros where nearly all images are shot digitally and mostly within the past 5 - 8 years. 
« Last Edit: September 15, 2012, 12:51 by lisafx »

Poncke

« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2012, 16:30 »
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"Most products have a certain file span on the market. It can be long or short depending on product or service"

Microstock images have the same, life span, of course. Have you ever think what kind of it is or how long it could be average. Lets say, you have a new image/images, how income will change in the future. Something likes that:

1. year income 100%
2. year income 100%
3. year income 75%
etc..

Of course there is thousands of  factors that affect the results, but without that analysis, just average.

How do you know the year income is 100%? 100% compared to what? If it sells better in the 2nd year, will  that be above 100 i.e. 120%? How do you know a photo sold at 100% in the first year? Does That mean every search on a keyword included on your photo resulted in a sale?

« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2012, 04:15 »
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How do you know the year income is 100%? 100% compared to what? If it sells better in the 2nd year, will  that be above 100 i.e. 120%? How do you know a photo sold at 100% in the first year? Does That mean every search on a keyword included on your photo resulted in a sale?
I don't know, a percentage it's only one approach. It can be what ever between what ever, I don't know. We all know that it is not 100% next 10 years. Do you have your own experience about the life span or half life?

And finally this is only one approach. It is more like calculation tool, to the future. How much 100% is? It depending fully whither you like to set it in your calculation.

Poncke

« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2012, 04:59 »
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I am too new in this business to have an answer on that.

« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2012, 05:34 »
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Transferring the  halflife notion from atomic physics to image life is an artefact.
Whereas halflife excists with isotopes it does not with image sales. The formulars are simply not applicable.
To determine the life of an image you should use other formulars, or none at all, since it is very random.
So maybe chaos theory can better be applied, or even good old fashioned superstition.

Like what about talking about the LUCK of an image?
Which would be influenced by:
How soon a picture gets its first sale.
Strike out effect in thumbnail size.
Keyword relevancy.

+ other idiotic factors, like hurrycanes and olympic games and tsunamis.



« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2012, 07:52 »
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There is no formula as there are far too many variables. In my experience good images, that really encapsulate their subject, can seemingly go on earning forever. Poorer images just get increasingly buried by the sort order.

A lot depends on the particular agency's default sort-order. Istock, for example, can kill best-selling images overnight with a change to their algorithm, as many of us know to our cost. IMHO the best agency for longevity of sales is SS where the 'Popular' default sort-order appears to be just that ... the position attained is entirely based on merit. As long as customers keep choosing it an image will retain it's place.

Once an agency starts messing about with different prices, promoting 'collections', newness, exclusivity, etc then it destroys the natural merit of an image. Having said that, if an image of yours happens to be favoured by the peculiarities of the sort order, then later-life earnings can actually be significantly accelerated. DT's 'Levels' pricing architecture certainly has this effect (although it doesn't appear to help overall portfolio earnings at all).

Poncke

« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2012, 16:31 »
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SS has recently ffed up their search, lots to do about it on the forums there.

Batman

« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2012, 21:30 »
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The life span of images has more to do with the agency search engine than the image itself. I was with DT for years before branching out into other agencies and many images that had stopped selling years ago on DT suddenly flew off the shelves at places like SS. The only explanation is that the images were no longer showing up in search results on DT as they tend to favour new material.

I am considering deleting all my old material that no longer sells, wait a year or so and reupload so that they're fresh again.

Good idea except if they don't accept all the old pictures and you have nothing to sell when it's gone. Everything flys off the shelf at SS better then DT.

digitalexpressionimages

« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2012, 20:22 »
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The life span of images has more to do with the agency search engine than the image itself. I was with DT for years before branching out into other agencies and many images that had stopped selling years ago on DT suddenly flew off the shelves at places like SS. The only explanation is that the images were no longer showing up in search results on DT as they tend to favour new material.

I am considering deleting all my old material that no longer sells, wait a year or so and reupload so that they're fresh again.

Good idea except if they don't accept all the old pictures and you have nothing to sell when it's gone. Everything flys off the shelf at SS better then DT.

Not really the point. The point is they stop selling on DT. The reason they stop selling on DT is they end up buried in the search results. So the life of the image is more about the search than the image. OK then.


 

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