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« on: May 30, 2011, 06:37 »

And then one comes across news like this Smiley http://www.popphoto.com/news/2011/05/cindy-sherman-print-sells-39-million-auction-highest-ever-photograp. I know I mixing apples and oranges, but still, it makes sentences like the one in the subject pretty absurd

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2011, 06:42 »

That image is obviously of low commercial value due to cropping. And focus is not located where I feel it works best.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 06:56 »

Here's a nice long thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1014&thread=38420223

Personally, I don't see much worth of any kind in that image.


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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 07:05 »

oh its only 3.9 million not 39million like I first though. Bargin


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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 08:03 »

I'm scratching my head as well about what is fine-art and how to enter the fine art business.

We all hear about these crazy multimillion dollars sales but as a matter of fact galleries are flooded by crap that has nothing to envy to the crap sold for crazy prices and yet they're worth nothing.

In the last few months i personally went on a tour of the major galleries in my city and frankly was unimpressed by what i've seen there, instead the shock was to realize how many bloody awful images were sold for thousands of dollars.

It's both a bubble and a mafia, as any art dealer will tell you there's no clear rule about how an artist can make a name in the market and then grow the value of its collection over time : both galleries and art critics must agree the specific artist can generate value and then the gallery bet on him organizing a sale etc but at the end of the game buyers and collectors have no linear logic on why they prefer artist x to artist y or z, moreover they only buy as an investment, with the hope that they can make a fat profit after a few years, and when the artist dies the value increase as it become something interesting for collectors too.

In most of the cases the quality of the images is absolutely non important, and often the most expensive shots are terrible, grainy, and look to be shot with a broken Polaroid !

Long story short, i'm carefully assembling a book to present to my local art galleries and at least gather up some feedback, time will tell.


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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 08:08 »

And then one comes across news like this Smiley http://www.popphoto.com/news/2011/05/cindy-sherman-print-sells-39-million-auction-highest-ever-photograp. I know I mixing apples and oranges, but still, it makes sentences like the one in the subject pretty absurd


That photo is awful from any point of view, but hey this is "conceptual photography" therefore anything goes.
Maybe i'm getting old but i can't see any clear concept on it, they sold it for millions just because it's been shot by Cindy Sherman, the bidders couldn't probably give a crap about the photo itself, all they know is that they can make money on it.

I'm not still an expert but to me it looks like basically a Ponzi scheme, where the loser is the last one buying the product, probably a gullible collector or somebody overseas money laundering a few millions.


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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 08:12 »

Even a dog could take that shot with a mobile phone.
Conceptual my ass.


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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 08:50 »

Good for Cindy Sherman. I hope she gets 7.8 mil for the next print.


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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 09:59 »

The frame is built from pure Platinum which is worth $4.5million - therefore it's a steal...


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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 10:05 »

This kind of "fine art" is 95% about self-promotion.   You have to be a special kind of person to pull it off.


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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 10:11 »

This kind of "fine art" is 95% about self-promotion.   You have to be a special kind of person to pull it off.

If she wrote a book on how to network "properly", I'd pay top dollar for that one.

Truly shows how to be a successful business person...  Lips sealed


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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2011, 10:16 »

It's a very good photo, it says something.  But 3 million? Come on people. 


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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2011, 10:37 »

It's a very good photo, it says something.  But 3 million? Come on people. 

The only thing it says to me is "look, I aint such a good photographer".
Then again I haven't sold any photos for over 700$ so what do I know...


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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2011, 10:44 »

personally I can't stand most of Cindy Sherman's work. I don't like her lighting choices, and her shots inspire little interest in her subjects IMO. maybe that's her intention, to create distance between the audience and the subject but I find much of her work boring and self-indulgent. same goes for Warhol.

though I'll say I like the photo in this example better than most of her other stuff.
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2011, 10:52 »

though I'll say I like the photo in this example better than most of her other stuff.

Enough to pay $3.9 Mill. for it?


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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2011, 10:53 »

Interesting discussion.  I don't really find this photo interesting but I think it's an offbeat sort of portrait that captures something about being a child,  in a sort of retro orange-y glow.  I've never heard of Cindy Sherman.  

I always liked what Warhol did - when I was a kid it seemed very fresh and original.   The mind of the 'collector' though is something different.  The collector will pay a huge sum to own and display an original and imply a personal connection with the artist. We need rich patrons or there's no art.  But this price strikes me as way, way over the top. There just isn't that much content, craft or even effort in this photo.


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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2011, 11:22 »

Interesting discussion.  I don't really find this photo interesting but I think it's an offbeat sort of portrait that captures something about being a child,  in a sort of retro orange-y glow.  I've never heard of Cindy Sherman.  

I always liked what Warhol did - when I was a kid it seemed very fresh and original.   The mind of the 'collector' though is something different.  The collector will pay a huge sum to own and display an original and imply a personal connection with the artist. We need rich patrons or there's no art.  But this price strikes me as way, way over the top. There just isn't that much content, craft or even effort in this photo.

Collectors are not crazy as it seems.
From what i have understood they're rich people willing to find an investment and eventually a profit.
They usually invest in many fields, including art and they don't stick just with photography.
Before buying someone they think twice and they ponder accurately if the artwork is worth or not.
If they bought this crap for 3 millions it means they "know" sooner or later they can resell it for 4 millions, that's the logic,
especially if the artist dies and you have a large collections of his works.


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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2011, 11:28 »

If I had that hanging on my wall I'd pay someone $20 to take it away and get rid of it.

(and someone forgot the "WB may be incorrect" rejection, too).


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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2011, 11:50 »

If I had that hanging on my wall I'd pay someone $20 to take it away and get rid of it.

(and someone forgot the "WB may be incorrect" rejection, too).

1+ and LOL
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2011, 13:22 »

If I had that hanging on my wall I'd pay someone $20 to take it away and get rid of it.

(and someone forgot the "WB may be incorrect" rejection, too).

lol


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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2011, 13:51 »

I'll need to add myself to the "Emperor has no clothes" camp. I totally don't get why that picture is worth anything other than to the model and her family and friends, and even then ... not a lot.
Which is clearly another reason why I'll never make it.  Shocked


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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2011, 14:23 »

^^
No model involved.
I believe that the image in question is, as most of Ms. Sherman's work, a self portrait of the artist.

This is less about being a great photographer and more about fame and artistic expression.

As for my own opinion of the photograph? I did better work when I was twelve... but then again, I'm not famous, which is why I license my images for pennies.


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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2011, 14:37 »

Sadly, artistic success at a high level often (not always) depends on getting in with the right social circle and persuading the right people to promote you. It's a matter of social skills rather than artistic ones. Unfortunately, selling microstock is likely to be an instant disqualification from membership of the in-crowd.
There are some photographers whose work is just so marvellous that nobody could deny their greatness but they are a tiny minority which I'm afraid we are not a part of. A good percentage of them are social/news photographers and sell stock at places like Magnum. 


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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2011, 16:44 »

Went to her website and looked at "art". Ew.


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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2011, 17:31 »

I had to click twice on that link. The first time I scanned the page quickly for the photograph that was being talked about. Not seeing it, I immediately jumped back to this thread to read on. I thought that photo was a pop up ad for some crummy teen clothing line!


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