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Mediarena


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« on: October 31, 2011, 13:06 »
Seeing how 123RF got pushed up in the ranks, I thought it interesting to see how MSG’s earnings poll has developed over the years. I thought about making a month by month video, but that was too much work. Anyways, here is March 2008 compared to now:


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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 13:18 »
How are you finding the historial data?  Were the earnings bands the same then as they are now? (meaning is a 4 today equal to a 4 in 2008?)

It is interesting that 123RF has not really moved up as it was 4.0 then and 4.1 now, but rather that FT has dropped from 4.9 to 4.0.

Also interesting to see how much less profitable MS is now, or perhaps that profit is spread around to many more sites?


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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2011, 13:22 »
Found here: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/


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sharpshot


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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2011, 13:35 »
CanStockPhoto has worked its way up quite nicely.  I do think microstock is less profitable for most of us now, there's too many contributors.  The earnings from Stockxpert were a big loss for me.  Some of that money must of gone to Thinkstock.  I think in a few years time, we could see more of a change.  I think Shutterstock is going to get bigger and several sites will lose out.

Its also noticeable that the sites that pay low commission percentages or have cut them are in decline.  That's a trend I would like to see continuing.


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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2011, 14:08 »
I still find it hard to believe that 123RF has leapfrogged over Fotolia to be in the Top 4.  More likely, it isn't that 123RF has risen as much as Fotolia has fallen.

Still, my FT earnings are about 6 or 7 times my 123 earnings every month.  I think MSG members are taking their anger out at FT by punishing it in the poll, and it's not really reflecting reality because of this.


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luissantos84

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2011, 14:12 »
Quote from: stockmarketer on October 31, 2011, 14:08
I think MSG members are taking their anger out at FT by punishing it in the poll, and it's not really reflecting reality because of this.

thats ridiculous, I donīt believe in that, there might be 2 or 3 that donīt care but the majority no, in my case 123RF is climbing nicely and in perhaps 2 months they will be over FT, which means a 3rd place (talking about total earnings), I will have this month for the first time over 100$ from them


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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2011, 14:33 »
Crestock had quite a tumble as well.


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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 14:36 »
Quote from: luissantos84 on October 31, 2011, 14:12
Quote from: stockmarketer on October 31, 2011, 14:08
I think MSG members are taking their anger out at FT by punishing it in the poll, and it's not really reflecting reality because of this.

thats ridiculous, I donīt believe in that, there might be 2 or 3 that donīt care but the majority no, in my case 123RF is climbing nicely and in perhaps 2 months they will be over FT, which means a 3rd place (talking about total earnings), I will have this month for the first time over 100$ from them

I think you're helping to make my point.  FT is still earning more money for you than 123RF.  But there seems to be an overall sense that FT is declining and 123 is rising, and that feeling is getting ahead of reality in the polls.


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Wim


« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2011, 15:02 »
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« Last Edit: December 08, 2011, 02:41 by Wim »

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cthoman



« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2011, 15:55 »
I was looking at my March 2008 figures. I had ten agencies that I had images at. Six of those are either out of business or I've removed my images from them. Yet, I still have images at over ten agencies.

I guess a lot can change in a short amount of time. I think that is good news for the future, but I'm a glass half full kind of guy.


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Karimala



« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2011, 16:48 »
Quote from: Wim on October 31, 2011, 15:02

123RF triples my FT income btw.


And my FT income is still triple 123RF, despite FT's income going down and 123RF's going up.   


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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 17:21 »
Revenues on 123RF have been flat for me, dropping 2% year over year.  Fotolia has dropped by 36% year over year, putting it well behind 123RF.


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luissantos84

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 17:31 »
Quote from: stockmarketer on October 31, 2011, 14:36
Quote from: luissantos84 on October 31, 2011, 14:12
Quote from: stockmarketer on October 31, 2011, 14:08
I think MSG members are taking their anger out at FT by punishing it in the poll, and it's not really reflecting reality because of this.

thats ridiculous, I donīt believe in that, there might be 2 or 3 that donīt care but the majority no, in my case 123RF is climbing nicely and in perhaps 2 months they will be over FT, which means a 3rd place (talking about total earnings), I will have this month for the first time over 100$ from them

I think you're helping to make my point.  FT is still earning more money for you than 123RF.  But there seems to be an overall sense that FT is declining and 123 is rising, and that feeling is getting ahead of reality in the polls.

nop! they have 15$ difference in total earnings Smiley


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RacePhoto



« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2011, 00:06 »
Quote from: cthoman on October 31, 2011, 15:55
I was looking at my March 2008 figures. I had ten agencies that I had images at. Six of those are either out of business or I've removed my images from them. Yet, I still have images at over ten agencies.

I guess a lot can change in a short amount of time. I think that is good news for the future, but I'm a glass half full kind of guy.

The bottom four were amusing to me. Hmm, where are they now? Which makes me wonder, what will the ones below the top seven looks like? Maybe invisible and also gone? It's not getting easier to make money and stay in business.
 
2008 was vote, 2011 is money? Is that right? When did Leaf change the poll. Not that it makes a huge difference, but it might?


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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2011, 01:27 »
Year on year my fotolia earnings are off 65%, my 123 earnings are off by about 2%. That still leaves fotolia ahead by the price of a pint of beer. I think the vote given for the two agencies is a credible result.
If people are fiddling the figures, they should stop because this is about the only resource we have that shows the relative strength of agencies.


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Lagereek


« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2011, 01:40 »
Quote from: stockmarketer on October 31, 2011, 14:08
I still find it hard to believe that 123RF has leapfrogged over Fotolia to be in the Top 4.  More likely, it isn't that 123RF has risen as much as Fotolia has fallen.

Still, my FT earnings are about 6 or 7 times my 123 earnings every month.  I think MSG members are taking their anger out at FT by punishing it in the poll, and it's not really reflecting reality because of this.

Ditto!  FT, brings me in 10 times more then 123! In fact 123, was so useless, I deactivated my entire port. No regrets.


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sharpshot


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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 03:54 »
Quote from: RacePhoto on November 01, 2011, 00:06
Quote from: cthoman on October 31, 2011, 15:55
I was looking at my March 2008 figures. I had ten agencies that I had images at. Six of those are either out of business or I've removed my images from them. Yet, I still have images at over ten agencies.

I guess a lot can change in a short amount of time. I think that is good news for the future, but I'm a glass half full kind of guy.

The bottom four were amusing to me. Hmm, where are they now? Which makes me wonder, what will the ones below the top seven looks like? Maybe invisible and also gone? It's not getting easier to make money and stay in business.
 
2008 was vote, 2011 is money? Is that right? When did Leaf change the poll. Not that it makes a huge difference, but it might?
It was easy to borrow money and start a site in 2008.  I think that's how Lucky Oliver got in to problems.  They had quite a lot of sales, compared to some sites that are still around.  Albumo was a joke, it looked like it was run by one person who then became bored with the site and did nothing with it.  Zymmetrical were good for me but they never became popular with contributors, even though they paid 70% commission and sold quite a lot of EL's.  I really couldn't understand why people complained about low commissions but didn't give them a chance.  The owners of Lucky Oliver and Zymmetrical also had other businesses, so when they weren't doing as well as they wanted, it must of been an easier decision to walk away than it would of been if that was their only business.


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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2011, 06:38 »
Quote from: stockmarketer on October 31, 2011, 14:36
Quote from: luissantos84 on October 31, 2011, 14:12
Quote from: stockmarketer on October 31, 2011, 14:08
I think MSG members are taking their anger out at FT by punishing it in the poll, and it's not really reflecting reality because of this.

thats ridiculous, I donīt believe in that, there might be 2 or 3 that donīt care but the majority no, in my case 123RF is climbing nicely and in perhaps 2 months they will be over FT, which means a 3rd place (talking about total earnings), I will have this month for the first time over 100$ from them

I think you're helping to make my point.  FT is still earning more money for you than 123RF.  But there seems to be an overall sense that FT is declining and 123 is rising, and that feeling is getting ahead of reality in the polls.
123RF has beaten FT the last two months for me, in October by almost $100


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michealo


« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2011, 06:44 »
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 01, 2011, 01:27
Year on year my fotolia earnings are off 65%, my 123 earnings are off by about 2%. That still leaves fotolia ahead by the price of a pint of beer. I think the vote given for the two agencies is a credible result.
If people are fiddling the figures, they should stop because this is about the only resource we have that shows the relative strength of agencies.

My gripe is the granularity.

I think going from 1 to 2 is about $2.50
going from 6 to 7 is $200


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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2011, 05:54 »
Quote from: michealo on November 01, 2011, 06:44
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 01, 2011, 01:27
Year on year my fotolia earnings are off 65%, my 123 earnings are off by about 2%. That still leaves fotolia ahead by the price of a pint of beer. I think the vote given for the two agencies is a credible result.
If people are fiddling the figures, they should stop because this is about the only resource we have that shows the relative strength of agencies.

My gripe is the granularity.

I think going from 1 to 2 is about $2.50
going from 6 to 7 is $200

yeah, point taken.  The polls should get an overhaul to fix that.  I have played around with a few ideas but haven't put anything into action yet.


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michealo


« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2011, 06:51 »
Quote from: leaf on November 02, 2011, 05:54
Quote from: michealo on November 01, 2011, 06:44
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 01, 2011, 01:27
Year on year my fotolia earnings are off 65%, my 123 earnings are off by about 2%. That still leaves fotolia ahead by the price of a pint of beer. I think the vote given for the two agencies is a credible result.
If people are fiddling the figures, they should stop because this is about the only resource we have that shows the relative strength of agencies.

My gripe is the granularity.

I think going from 1 to 2 is about $2.50
going from 6 to 7 is $200

yeah, point taken.  The polls should get an overhaul to fix that.  I have played around with a few ideas but haven't put anything into action yet.

A thought too is having two IS polls, one for exclusives and one for non exclusives, as it is almost like two different agencies


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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2011, 07:53 »
Quote from: michealo on November 02, 2011, 06:51
Quote from: leaf on November 02, 2011, 05:54
Quote from: michealo on November 01, 2011, 06:44
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 01, 2011, 01:27
Year on year my fotolia earnings are off 65%, my 123 earnings are off by about 2%. That still leaves fotolia ahead by the price of a pint of beer. I think the vote given for the two agencies is a credible result.
If people are fiddling the figures, they should stop because this is about the only resource we have that shows the relative strength of agencies.

My gripe is the granularity.

I think going from 1 to 2 is about $2.50
going from 6 to 7 is $200

yeah, point taken.  The polls should get an overhaul to fix that.  I have played around with a few ideas but haven't put anything into action yet.

A thought too is having two IS polls, one for exclusives and one for non exclusives, as it is almost like two different agencies

A great idea!


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Sadstock


« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2011, 09:41 »
Quote from: aeonf on November 02, 2011, 07:53
Quote from: michealo on November 02, 2011, 06:51
Quote from: leaf on November 02, 2011, 05:54
Quote from: michealo on November 01, 2011, 06:44
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 01, 2011, 01:27
Year on year my fotolia earnings are off 65%, my 123 earnings are off by about 2%. That still leaves fotolia ahead by the price of a pint of beer. I think the vote given for the two agencies is a credible result.
If people are fiddling the figures, they should stop because this is about the only resource we have that shows the relative strength of agencies.

My gripe is the granularity.

I think going from 1 to 2 is about $2.50
going from 6 to 7 is $200

yeah, point taken.  The polls should get an overhaul to fix that.  I have played around with a few ideas but haven't put anything into action yet.

A thought too is having two IS polls, one for exclusives and one for non exclusives, as it is almost like two different agencies

A great idea!

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Agreed


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cthoman



« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2011, 09:56 »
Quote from: michealo on November 02, 2011, 06:51
A thought too is having two IS polls, one for exclusives and one for non exclusives, as it is almost like two different agencies

And maybe a separate poll for people that don't even have images there.  Grin


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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2011, 10:01 »
I would like to see (if it is possible) a graph of this period of  "Microstock pull results"...


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