pancakes

MicrostockGroup Sponsors


Author Topic: November Sales  (Read 8177 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2018, 07:13 »
+1
I think we can safelty assume agencies like SS and Adobe will NEVER go back to its shall we call good days, hey days if you know what I mean. Right now there are two agencies being launched next month.
They are governed by people with huge experience and its 50/50 split with contributors. These are agencies who will gear themselves towards the creative buyers, designers, ad-agency people etc, etc and not to be mistaken for pic off the peg outfits.

Keep your eyes open it might be something who knows?

Eyes open this I want to see happen if truth.


derek

    This user is banned.
« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2018, 07:32 »
0
I think we can safelty assume agencies like SS and Adobe will NEVER go back to its shall we call good days, hey days if you know what I mean. Right now there are two agencies being launched next month.
They are governed by people with huge experience and its 50/50 split with contributors. These are agencies who will gear themselves towards the creative buyers, designers, ad-agency people etc, etc and not to be mistaken for pic off the peg outfits.

Keep your eyes open it might be something who knows?

Eyes open this I want to see happen if truth.

So do I mate!  so do I!...well there is bound to be "some"  truth in it, question is will the truth be worth to consider as an option?

« Reply #77 on: November 27, 2018, 11:06 »
+2
the problem in micro stock is always the same...new content don't sell...established photo with many popular photos high in search engine still earn a lot despite uploading nothing...while to increase sales with new content is practically impossible....one moth of christmas and new year production with content who  5 years ago would have sold like hotcakes, today produce practically zero sales. when you upload content if they are not sold after 10 minutes they go in th garbage between snapshot i cannot even understand why they are uploaded fist and accepted secondly. personally   i m shooting more and more for rm and i hope been accepted by stocksy this year. i worked a lot this year   and so far i have just a  10% earning gain compared to last year and practically same download.

derek

    This user is banned.
« Reply #78 on: November 27, 2018, 13:05 »
0
the problem in micro stock is always the same...new content don't sell...established photo with many popular photos high in search engine still earn a lot despite uploading nothing...while to increase sales with new content is practically impossible....one moth of christmas and new year production with content who  5 years ago would have sold like hotcakes, today produce practically zero sales. when you upload content if they are not sold after 10 minutes they go in th garbage between snapshot i cannot even understand why they are uploaded fist and accepted secondly. personally   i m shooting more and more for rm and i hope been accepted by stocksy this year. i worked a lot this year   and so far i have just a  10% earning gain compared to last year and practically same download.

Well spoken!! couldnt have said it better myself!

« Reply #79 on: November 27, 2018, 13:48 »
+3
the problem in micro stock is always the same...new content don't sell...established photo with many popular photos high in search engine still earn a lot despite uploading nothing...while to increase sales with new content is practically impossible....one moth of christmas and new year production with content who  5 years ago would have sold like hotcakes, today produce practically zero sales. when you upload content if they are not sold after 10 minutes they go in th garbage between snapshot i cannot even understand why they are uploaded fist and accepted secondly. personally   i m shooting more and more for rm and i hope been accepted by stocksy this year. i worked a lot this year   and so far i have just a  10% earning gain compared to last year and practically same download.

New content does sell. Of course, not all new content are created equal, so most new content won't sell. The good quality content with good keywording will find its way to the top. It could take weeks or it could take months, but it will find its way.

Don't expect things to go back to the "good old days". The industry was in infancy back then. Now it's a mature adult. It's much harder to please and it demands more from all contributors.

« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2018, 14:14 »
0
the problem in micro stock is always the same...new content don't sell...established photo with many popular photos high in search engine still earn a lot despite uploading nothing...while to increase sales with new content is practically impossible....one moth of christmas and new year production with content who  5 years ago would have sold like hotcakes, today produce practically zero sales. when you upload content if they are not sold after 10 minutes they go in th garbage between snapshot i cannot even understand why they are uploaded fist and accepted secondly. personally   i m shooting more and more for rm and i hope been accepted by stocksy this year. i worked a lot this year   and so far i have just a  10% earning gain compared to last year and practically same download.

New content does sell. Of course, not all new content are created equal, so most new content won't sell. The good quality content with good keywording will find its way to the top. It could take weeks or it could take months, but it will find its way.

Don't expect things to go back to the "good old days". The industry was in infancy back then. Now it's a mature adult. It's much harder to please and it demands more from all contributors.

i agree in part...probably i had uploaded too late for holiday begin november...i had two collection in catalog manager one from 2017 files uploaded and i see that dollar  exceed number of file already... one of 2018 where dollar earned are 20% of number of file downloaded....in my opinion lately new files sell pretty low.. i expects good sales for christmas but again is impossible. you can have best keyword in world best images but if your images go fast in page 3 4 5 they are lost forever. too junk is accepted...really sometimes i saw new images and i'm speechless.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #81 on: November 28, 2018, 07:38 »
0

New content does sell. Of course, not all new content are created equal, so most new content won't sell. The good quality content with good keywording will find its way to the top. It could take weeks or it could take months, but it will find its way.

Don't expect things to go back to the "good old days". The industry was in infancy back then. Now it's a mature adult. It's much harder to please and it demands more from all contributors.

New content doesn't sell like it used to, "upload today, sell tomorrow" because there's much more competition, much more established old content, yet new content can sell, like old content. I think some people are looking at old content and past sales?

Maybe we should be looking at new content current sales, vs old content current sales. I know that some of my older files that used to sell more often, don't anymore. I also have a few new files that have moved from, new upload, into passing old files that are top 20 in earnings. That's because some of the old are slowing down, while some of the new are gaining.

But what I'm trying to say is, current sales of old vs current sales of new, instead of looking at past history as a comparison, because the good old days are absolutely gone, done, over and never coming back. History in this business might not be an indication of the future, just a reflection of the past.  :)

« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2018, 08:11 »
0

New content does sell. Of course, not all new content are created equal, so most new content won't sell. The good quality content with good keywording will find its way to the top. It could take weeks or it could take months, but it will find its way.

Don't expect things to go back to the "good old days". The industry was in infancy back then. Now it's a mature adult. It's much harder to please and it demands more from all contributors.

New content doesn't sell like it used to, "upload today, sell tomorrow" because there's much more competition, much more established old content, yet new content can sell, like old content. I think some people are looking at old content and past sales?

Maybe we should be looking at new content current sales, vs old content current sales. I know that some of my older files that used to sell more often, don't anymore. I also have a few new files that have moved from, new upload, into passing old files that are top 20 in earnings. That's because some of the old are slowing down, while some of the new are gaining.

But what I'm trying to say is, current sales of old vs current sales of new, instead of looking at past history as a comparison, because the good old days are absolutely gone, done, over and never coming back. History in this business might not be an indication of the future, just a reflection of the past.  :)

good content don't sell because any mental healthy person won't even bother to look for a good file in the mess of new images, so they straight go to popular....look fotolia most sold images of week..always the same stuff....christmas sells mostly 100 photos establish who are in page 1. with this scheme is impossible to increase sales constantly working hard.  impossible. in ss i always selle 90% of files older than 2 years.it looks like having a small fixed income , is not a case i will end with the same earning of last year and i mean same plus minus 50 dollar, and same number of download, despite much more content added. i even doubt that uploading 50k images would be any difference. even if they were good quality.

till they abolish popular and add a curated or serious best reference files, nothing will change, and i say this knowing that i will lose the constant flow of my popular images

« Reply #83 on: November 28, 2018, 14:50 »
0
I thought I would start the topic for November sales. Sadly, due to poor sales on Shutter my November looks to be worse that what I made even compared to 2014/2015 years. I am sure there will be newbie's claiming BME but I wonder how the veteran's are doing?

So far best November from 2008 for me and also best month from 2008

« Reply #84 on: November 28, 2018, 15:46 »
+4

New content does sell. Of course, not all new content are created equal, so most new content won't sell. The good quality content with good keywording will find its way to the top. It could take weeks or it could take months, but it will find its way.

Don't expect things to go back to the "good old days". The industry was in infancy back then. Now it's a mature adult. It's much harder to please and it demands more from all contributors.

New content doesn't sell like it used to, "upload today, sell tomorrow" because there's much more competition, much more established old content, yet new content can sell, like old content. I think some people are looking at old content and past sales?

Maybe we should be looking at new content current sales, vs old content current sales. I know that some of my older files that used to sell more often, don't anymore. I also have a few new files that have moved from, new upload, into passing old files that are top 20 in earnings. That's because some of the old are slowing down, while some of the new are gaining.

But what I'm trying to say is, current sales of old vs current sales of new, instead of looking at past history as a comparison, because the good old days are absolutely gone, done, over and never coming back. History in this business might not be an indication of the future, just a reflection of the past.  :)

good content don't sell because any mental healthy person won't even bother to look for a good file in the mess of new images, so they straight go to popular....look fotolia most sold images of week..always the same stuff....christmas sells mostly 100 photos establish who are in page 1. with this scheme is impossible to increase sales constantly working hard.  impossible. in ss i always selle 90% of files older than 2 years.it looks like having a small fixed income , is not a case i will end with the same earning of last year and i mean same plus minus 50 dollar, and same number of download, despite much more content added. i even doubt that uploading 50k images would be any difference. even if they were good quality.

till they abolish popular and add a curated or serious best reference files, nothing will change, and i say this knowing that i will lose the constant flow of my popular images

I don't see the problem with the Popular category. It's what people buys and it's what relevant. Why should new files that are unproven get precedence over files that sells well?

I was on a website that decided to sort their search by rotating images instead of by quality/popularity. The result was a complete failure. All the long time contributors income decreased dramatically and their search result showed low quality images. The website traffic dropped by half in a year because of low quality images in the search.

The communist approach doesn't work in real life or search engines. If a contributor want to rise above the noise, they must create good content and meticulously keyword heck out of it. Automatic keywording tools don't work, neither does keyword suggestions. If you're not putting the same effort into keywording like you do your work, your work will get lost in the flood of new images.

« Reply #85 on: November 30, 2018, 10:03 »
0
Its dead today.

« Reply #86 on: November 30, 2018, 11:12 »
0
from the thanksgiving weekend completely dead, i had hope for christmas holiday photos, lot of work, so far disappointing, proving that uploading is in mot cases useless.
only stock is strong performing but with 15 % the red is oo low, pity cause number o download would make it a great contender to ss...fotolia super till 20 with 190 dollar, ten probably 10 dollar.

« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2018, 11:28 »
+1
Thanksgiving week was, as expected a bit slow, but sales bounced back again.
On SS, November is a good month, within normal limits.
But the big change comes from AS. November is my 3rd consecutive BME. AS is now just a few dozens dollars shy from the usual SS performance. That's really, really good and refreshing!

I still have to do the overall math tomorrow, but from what I see so far, November is heading towards one of the best months I had lately.

« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2018, 11:36 »
0



Maybe we should be looking at new content current sales, vs old content current sales.

We can do that, if we also consider the fact that even when the production level is kept constant, the new/old ratio is constantly decreasing. Under these assumptions, new will naturally sell less than old.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2018, 11:50 »
0



Maybe we should be looking at new content current sales, vs old content current sales.

We can do that, if we also consider the fact that even when the production level is kept constant, the new/old ratio is constantly decreasing. Under these assumptions, new will naturally sell less than old.

That too.  ;D I just look at new as all files uploaded in 2018, pretty rough math, and look at the income for 2018 files. Then I can look at income for 2017 files. No I'm not doing files since the beginning of time vs new (2018 for example) and you are right, if a ratio, old will always do better because there are just so many more.

I used to have a SS gallery created for oldest 100 files and one for newest 100 files. Waste of time. The old stuff was so bad, lets say 2007, that new always beat them. I could take the time and do 1,000 vs 1,000 but really, nothing interesting as I don't believe the complaining that New files don't have a chance. I see how they are pushed to the front of the search, where they get an unnatural favorite placement. Some catch on and after a couple years, are just as good as old files.

I'll add that some newer files of mine have recently moved into the top ten, pushing down older best sellers. The old still get the same sales they have, but the new are just getting more sales. So no I don't believe there's any differences for new or old files, other than time, competition and quality. I have to say some of my newer files are better and sell more times a year on average.

New file do have a chance if given time.

« Reply #90 on: November 30, 2018, 12:24 »
0
I'm not sure what minimum payout on SS,  I've never not made payout but I'm guessing this may be the month!  Jeeze,  I made more with 14 photos on my first half month at SS than I did this last month.

« Reply #91 on: November 30, 2018, 12:41 »
0
Not so good everywhere.

Adobe just a little down.
But Shutterstock is a real disaster: 50% of my usual monthly average, and 25% of my 2015, 2016 and 2017 Novembers average
Probably it will be the lowest November of these 5-6 last years

But all can happen during the last week, the worst and the best.
Same here. Almost 100k images in port, 50k added this year, working my ass off. Despite that my SS income is decreasing month after month with Nov being a pure catastrophe  :-\ What is going on?


« Reply #92 on: November 30, 2018, 13:24 »
0
By some kind of miracle, November became my BME on SS. I knew it was going to be a good month, but this exceeded expectations.

AS had a good month, but nothing to write about compare to last month.

« Reply #93 on: November 30, 2018, 13:41 »
+3
Not so good everywhere.

Adobe just a little down.
But Shutterstock is a real disaster: 50% of my usual monthly average, and 25% of my 2015, 2016 and 2017 Novembers average
Probably it will be the lowest November of these 5-6 last years

But all can happen during the last week, the worst and the best.
Same here. Almost 100k images in port, 50k added this year, working my ass off. Despite that my SS income is decreasing month after month with Nov being a pure catastrophe  :-\ What is going on?

100k? oh god. what's going on? people uploading like crazy saturating market thats it...i would like to see all those file

« Reply #94 on: November 30, 2018, 13:56 »
0
Not so good everywhere.

Adobe just a little down.
But Shutterstock is a real disaster: 50% of my usual monthly average, and 25% of my 2015, 2016 and 2017 Novembers average
Probably it will be the lowest November of these 5-6 last years

But all can happen during the last week, the worst and the best.
Same here. Almost 100k images in port, 50k added this year, working my ass off. Despite that my SS income is decreasing month after month with Nov being a pure catastrophe  :-\ What is going on?

new files uploaded in 2018 accounts so far for the 10% of this year income....as i said  there is no way if you don't have a lot of popular files already to earn a lot or increase earning...new files, apart the stories of keyboarding and quality, i upload only good files and spent a lot of times in keyboarding, simply are not selling, so how somebody can improve earning considerably?. my 2017 file sold much better, and they were similar in theme and quality for example. the less people sell the more upload saturating even more a market already oversaturated. the only way to achieve results is through quality agency and creativity.
check most files sold in fotolia.......mostly stuff uploaded more than 2 years ago that are on top of popular image for their important keyword, simply because when they were loaded there were 1% of files that are now in collection...yesterday i checked christmas theme search, really who is that crazy buyer who browse through 100000 of snapshots just to buy an image? they simply search popular files and look 2 3 pages no more

« Reply #95 on: November 30, 2018, 14:13 »
0
Not so good everywhere.

Adobe just a little down.
But Shutterstock is a real disaster: 50% of my usual monthly average, and 25% of my 2015, 2016 and 2017 Novembers average
Probably it will be the lowest November of these 5-6 last years

But all can happen during the last week, the worst and the best.
Same here. Almost 100k images in port, 50k added this year, working my ass off. Despite that my SS income is decreasing month after month with Nov being a pure catastrophe  :-\ What is going on?

100k? oh god. what's going on? people uploading like crazy saturating market thats it...i would like to see all those file

We are a studio working on niche market illustrations that require multiple variations, therefore we have large amounts of images. And I mean meaningful variations, not the same call centre worker in the same pose from 50 angles. I am not going to present my port here, but there are several such areas... like if you create illustrations of flags, words, food ingredients... and yes microstock is oversaturated by these, but the theme we are working on turned out to be very successful few years back when I tested it, so I sticked to it and it worked... until now. I have handful of competitors in my area and I compete with providing better quality and more of the meaningful variations. I think thats what microstock is about, is it not?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

« Reply #96 on: November 30, 2018, 14:41 »
0
Not so good everywhere.

Adobe just a little down.
But Shutterstock is a real disaster: 50% of my usual monthly average, and 25% of my 2015, 2016 and 2017 Novembers average
Probably it will be the lowest November of these 5-6 last years

But all can happen during the last week, the worst and the best.
Same here. Almost 100k images in port, 50k added this year, working my ass off. Despite that my SS income is decreasing month after month with Nov being a pure catastrophe  :-\ What is going on?

new files uploaded in 2018 accounts so far for the 10% of this year income....
...yesterday i checked christmas theme search, really who is that crazy buyer who browse through 100000 of snapshots just to buy an image? they simply search popular files and look 2 3 pages no more
Very logical explanation jonbull, I couldn't agree more.
I tried it all, "flooding" a segment with tons of good quality illustrations, so that only mine would sell. No they wouldn't. Older, less quality images remained on the first page. I tried going with few, but extremely high quality and time consuming shots in another segment. Not much more success that regular shots. Then some "test" image where I'm just toying with a feasibility of an idea shoots off and occupies the first page of searches for years. Why? To me it looks like the algorithms can't give any sense of the huge numbers of images anymore and it is starting to be a game of randomness, luck... lottery. Is it so?
« Last Edit: November 30, 2018, 14:43 by Harvepino »

« Reply #97 on: November 30, 2018, 20:43 »
0
It looks like a little above the average for the year - so ok for now I guess. highpoint - Alamy - a few biggish sales and a number of smallish (for Alamy) sales. Low point - 123RF - wow, this site has gone from being a solid mid performer to an also ran. I made more there my first full month with under 200 images. SS, AS, and Canva all down from last month for $ and DL.

« Reply #98 on: December 01, 2018, 04:26 »
0
SS within 5% of every month of the year in downloads and $ as usual (no cap!). AS continues the slow climb (the only positive), everywhere else practically dead.

« Reply #99 on: December 01, 2018, 06:22 »
0
I'm not sure what minimum payout on SS,  I've never not made payout but I'm guessing this may be the month!  Jeeze,  I made more with 14 photos on my first half month at SS than I did this last month.

The minimum payout on SS is $35


 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
11 Replies
1581 Views
Last post November 28, 2013, 01:45
by leaf
43 Replies
12479 Views
Last post December 23, 2013, 09:22
by Red Dove
34 Replies
10314 Views
Last post December 20, 2014, 09:25
by PaulieWalnuts
36 Replies
4815 Views
Last post December 25, 2016, 15:42
by YadaYadaYada
3 Replies
550 Views
Last post November 10, 2018, 18:51
by KimsCreativeHub

Sponsors

Microstock Poll Results

Sponsors