Author Topic: October earnings (Read 18438 times)

Slovenian · « **on:** October 31, 2011, 19:18 »

A decent month, but nowhere near of what it's supposed to be, the best month of the year. If it wasn't for a great last week on my top 2 earners, it would be a weak month for me. I'm gonna break it down 4 ya (compared to previous month):

SS: +11%
IS: -13%
123RF: +37%
FT: +24%
DT: -61%

And I won't even bother calculating the pathetic earnings at DP and CS (below 10$ each, started 2 months ago).

steheap · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2011, 20:30 »

October was a great month for me - a personal best, and almost $160 over the previous month to end with just over $1200 off an average of about 1800 images. As usual, more details on my web site, but Shutterstock was great with $450, iStock maintained solid performance with another month of $200. Veer is a great site some months and I managed two of their unlimited reproduction licenses to come in with around $135. My big disappointment was Zoonar. I really thought that it had started moving, but I only sold one image for $3.50 this last month.

Steve

luissantos84 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2011, 21:34 »

3rd month in a row over 1k $ (started in March 2009)

1003$, 1062$, around 1020$

this month top5 % (previous month)

SS 47% (40%)
IS 14% (16%)
123RF 11% (9%)
FT 7% (8%)
DT 4% (7%)

17% across other agencies, more relevant Zazzle (4%), DepositPhotos (3%) and PhotoDune (2%)

Veer from 17.5$ (11 sales) to 2.45$ (2 sales)

cthoman · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2011, 21:55 »

There's a new sheriff in town and its name is Clipartof. Maybe, it's a fluke, but I feel all the sacrifices I've made this year trying to clean up "my house" are starting to pay off. I'm still not where I want to be (or even where I was), but I'm feeling more confident about the future.

Hopefully, it's a sign that you don't need to wait for a union or a miracle. Just start taking control of YOUR images and where and how you distribute them. I hope this continues and others can do the same thing.

aeonf · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2011, 01:13 »

Exclusives at IS.
Down 8% from last month, and up 260% from 10/2011
Still working hard to get to that 40K RC target this year as well as passing the 2K $ mark.

lagereek · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2011, 01:47 »

Great month!

SS. brillant.

FT. way up.+ 30%

DT. up 15%

IS. worthless. ( compared to what it used to be)

Alamy. great.

BS. up 30%

Anyka · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2011, 02:33 »

October was not bad at all. What's a good October? It should be better than September + better than last year's October.
Overall I was 4% up compared to September and 3% up from last year's October. So it's "up", but not much.

The "guilty" sites are Istockphoto, Alamy and Rodeo, all others went up enough to cover these losses. Big cheer for 123rf, Dreamstime and Fotolia, with more than 25% of growth compared to last year's October.

Last year's November was a BME, so it'll be quite a challenge to beat that!

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2011, 02:40 »

Shutterstock up, the other micros flat or down. A sudden burst of activity on Alamy will make it a BME, though. Fotolia back to 2007 levels.

ayzek · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2011, 03:19 »

Good Month.
IS : -38% (After second week of September sales %50 less than normal)
SS : +13% BME
MYsite : This month up to third position BME
Alamy : +91% BME
FT : +670% BME finally start to sell.
123rf: +10% BME
DT : +91% BME
Veer: +560% BME
Yay: -50%
BS: -8%

Wim · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2011, 03:23 »

Just want to say thanks to Steheap and Luissantos84 for providing details on their income from Stock. This is secret to most, even me, so respect to you lads.
Keep it up!

rubyroo · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2011, 04:01 »

I was down a litte on last month's BME (pushing this month to second from top), and down a little at most of the agencies.

On the running FT/123RF comparison, my sales at 123RF were almost double those at FT.

1 = SS
2 = iStock
3 = DT
4 = 123RF
5 = FT

redo · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2011, 05:18 »

More downloads, less money
comparing 10.2011 to 10.2010 ()
ss 31% (21%)
ft 28% (21%)
dt 18% (18%)
is 10% (32%)
others 13% (8%)

RPD 0,81 € (0,94 €)

travelstock · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2011, 10:01 »

Very good month for me....

Photos: Exclusive on iStock

iStock:
BME for both DLS and $$

Compared to Sept:
$$: +35%
DSL: +22%
Portfolio: + 5%
(went up to a higher royalty percentage partway through the month)

Compared to Oct 10:
$$: +94%
DLS: +45%
Portfolio: +98%

On the stats, income and downloads caught up in some measure with the amount of uploading I did in August and September, so the numbers look a lot more impressive than they actually are.

Video: Non-exclusive
Very early days, but had my first sale on SS - $15

cthoman · « **Reply #13 on:** November 01, 2011, 10:10 »

Clipartof - 30%
Shutterstock - 26%
Dreamstime - 10%
Can Stock Photo - 7%
myStockVectors - 7%
Graphic Leftovers -6%
123RF - 5%
Veer - 2%
BigStock - 2%
Yay - 1%
Cutcaster - 0%
Stockfresh - 0%
Drawshop - 0%

The first month without iStock ended up a lot better than I thought.

Pixart · « **Reply #14 on:** November 01, 2011, 10:50 »

Quite pleased with DT and SS. They are the only sites that have shown growth for me, and came in with DT ahead by one download!

DT 32%
SS 32%
IS 16%
FT 7%

The rest don't add up to much. I should point out though that 123 was only 2% of my overall - I'm glad others are doing so well there because I sure am not.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #15 on:** November 01, 2011, 13:35 »

Quote from: cthoman on November 01, 2011, 10:10

Clipartof - 30%

Hello,

Thank you for contacting us, however we are no longer accepting new contributors.

Thank You,
Mrs. Jamie Voetsch
Clipart Of LLC

Unless it's just no one except the invited people at this point. Hope that saves someone the trouble of trying to get information where the ClipartOf site has none.

steheap · « **Reply #16 on:** November 01, 2011, 13:54 »

Quote

Just want to say thanks to Steheap and Luissantos84 for providing details on their income from Stock. This is secret to most, even me, so respect to you lads.
Keep it up!

Thanks! When I was starting out, I had no idea how I was doing, and how much the "competition" was earning. I know that different styles of image earn different amounts, and that the number of files is important, but I can't see the harm in sharing real numbers. I discuss these sort of details each month on my blog (http://www.backyardsilver.com) Unless someone is going to go out and try to copy my shots (which they could do by searching for me on the main sites), I see no problem here.

Steve

lisafx · « **Reply #17 on:** November 01, 2011, 14:08 »

It was a pretty disappointing October for me. Overall I was up 7% on last month and 6% on last year. 3 out of 4 top sites all posted losses. Fortunately the day was spectacularly saved by a big BME at Shutterstock! Funny thing is when I added up my % losses from IS, SS, and DT, over the past year, they totaled the exact % SS was up (51%).

Istock continues to sink into the void. Sales more pathetic each month, and sank to levels not seen since April of 2006!!

FT actually rebounded a bit, showing a 10% gain over last month, but is still well down on last year.

Below is the market share of each of the sites for me, along with the % gain or loss from October 2010.

ISP   30% (-23%)
SS   28% (+51%)
DT   13% (-9%)
Fot   15% (-19%)
BigStock   4%

Perry · « **Reply #18 on:** November 01, 2011, 14:09 »

SS A New Best Month Ever!

(The second one in row, also september was BME)
IS the lows continue... not the worst month of the year tho.
DT second worst month this year
FT weak weak weak...

Low earners:
Veer Okay month, Veer starts to be very close to DT and FT
123rf Best month ever! Almost as good as Veer.
canstockphoto Very weak, are they dying?
Bigstockphoto Business as usual. Some sales, but not much
Alamy a few nice sales (and a few not-so-nice sales), overall a very good month.

stockmarketer · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2011, 14:43 »

Almost identical to Sept 2011, except the extra day put me over the edge for a new BME.

Up 120% vs Oct 2011.

My Big 4 are all posting solid gains every month... in this order here's how they placed in October...

1: SS thanks to a mad rush of ELs (still looking for an explanation for the sudden rush of these. Any ideas?)
2. FT
3. DT and IS almost identical to the dollar

And the rest? I almost don't care, since all together the second and third tier players accounted for less than 15% of my earnings. 123RF earnings are growing nicely. The CanStockPhoto big "Distribution Regular" $19.80 sales are nowhere to be seen these days, so it's down. Everyone else seems to be treading water.

Elenathewise · « **Reply #20 on:** November 01, 2011, 15:33 »

Quote from: lisafx on November 01, 2011, 14:08

It was a pretty disappointing October for me. Overall I was up 7% on last month and 6% on last year. 3 out of 4 top sites all posted losses. Fortunately the day was spectacularly saved by a big BME at Shutterstock! Funny thing is when I added up my % losses from IS, SS, and DT, over the past year, they totaled the exact % SS was up (51%).

Istock continues to sink into the void. Sales more pathetic each month, and sank to levels not seen since April of 2006!!

FT actually rebounded a bit, showing a 10% gain over last month, but is still well down on last year.

Below is the market share of each of the sites for me, along with the % gain or loss from October 2010.

ISP   30% (-23%)
SS   28% (+51%)
DT   13% (-9%)
Fot   15% (-19%)
BigStock   4%

Wow Lisa nice data for Shutterstock! I am only about 35% up compared to last October. My sales on istock didn't tank that much though - less than 1% off. I guess it kinda evens it out:)

lisafx · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2011, 17:24 »

Quote from: Elenathewise on November 01, 2011, 15:33

Wow Lisa nice data for Shutterstock! I am only about 35% up compared to last October. My sales on istock didn't tank that much though - less than 1% off. I guess it kinda evens it out:)

Interesting... Looks like overall you had a higher net gain than I did. I'm jealous! You are fortunate to have not lost more than 1% at IS. That's about the best I've heard for an established port.

I am becoming a bit suspicious that there may be some truth to the idea that they are juggling the search to prevent people reaching their RC goals. I am about 7k off of keeping my 19% with approx. 6 weeks of decent sales left in the year (no point in expecting much action the last two weeks of the year). Normally I could hit that mark in that time period easily, but with sales so bad I may not make it.

cobalt · « **Reply #22 on:** November 01, 2011, 17:42 »

Well last year the RC levels were lowered a bit after the year was over. I sincerly hope they do this again.What worries me are the next targets...

lisafx · « **Reply #23 on:** November 01, 2011, 17:49 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 01, 2011, 17:42

Well last year the RC levels were lowered a bit after the year was over. I sincerly hope they do this again.What worries me are the next targets...

Were they lowered? I had thought they just didn't raise them. I hope you're right and they will be lowered this year, but I'm not holding my breath. The less they have to pay us the more sustainable their business is

traveler1116 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 01, 2011, 18:58 »

Quote from: lisafx on November 01, 2011, 17:49

Quote from: cobalt on November 01, 2011, 17:42
Well last year the RC levels were lowered a bit after the year was over. I sincerly hope they do this again.What worries me are the next targets...

Were they lowered? I had thought they just didn't raise them. I hope you're right and they will be lowered this year, but I'm not holding my breath. The less they have to pay us the more sustainable their business is

Yep they lowered them to .1% above what I was at, literally 2 or 3 sales for the whole year.. bitter...I'm not bitter. But it did cost me a few thousand dollars.

loop · « **Reply #25 on:** November 01, 2011, 19:13 »

this post went to another htread

cobalt · « **Reply #26 on:** November 01, 2011, 19:18 »

They went down just a little bit, instead of 40k rc, didn´t people need 39000 to keep their level? or something like that? I think they did this for every level, sometime in january.

i don´t know if they are planning to do it this time, but with the terrible drop in traffic it should be the least they could do.

Slovenian · « **Reply #27 on:** November 01, 2011, 19:54 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 01, 2011, 19:18

They went down just a little bit, instead of 40k rc, didn´t people need 39000 to keep their level? or something like that? I think they did this for every level, sometime in january.

i don´t know if they are planning to do it this time, but with the terrible drop in traffic it should be the least they could do.

Indeed, but they should lower it for 50%, not 5.

cobalt · « **Reply #28 on:** November 02, 2011, 06:17 »

What worries me about all that traffic that seems to be flowing away from istock onto ss or the others - at the moment istock´s USP seems to be the high quality overall and their very high quality, tightly edited V/A collections.

Customers who have the budget love these collections, because it saves them a lot of time.

However...all the other agencies also have millions of files.

What if they start marketing tightly edited collections of the best they have - WITHOUT RAISING THE PRICE? (Or just adding 5 dollars)

Purely as a service to the customer?

ss could have a huge library plus collections and everything at a very similar price point, so there is no customer confusion.

Am I the only exclusive who is concerned about this? Is this a potential iceberg we could hit?

Or is it the high price of V/A that is attracting unique artists that the other sites don´t have? Is istock really successfully locking down the top talent in the market?

I just wish those traffic stats were not so depressing. It makes me think too much.

CD123 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 02, 2011, 06:35 »

Bottom feeder feedback (someone has to represent us here

:

Canstock saved the month for me big time - not high number of sales but high value (my first payout in one month site), making it overall BME on combined sales (all sites).
123RF down drastically.

8 Sites down on sales 4 up from September.

PS Had my first sale on Alamy after 10 months..

borg · « **Reply #30 on:** November 02, 2011, 10:03 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on October 31, 2011, 21:34

3rd month in a row over 1k $ (started in March 2009)

1003$, 1062$, around 1020$

this month top5 % (previous month)

SS 47% (40%)
IS 14% (16%)
123RF 11% (9%)
FT 7% (8%)
DT 4% (7%)

17% across other agencies, more relevant Zazzle (4%), DepositPhotos (3%) and PhotoDune (2%)

Veer from 17.5$ (11 sales) to 2.45$ (2 sales)

Excellent Louis!

I am overall still under 1000$ without Evanto's bundle earnings...

helix7 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 02, 2011, 10:30 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 02, 2011, 06:17

...Am I the only exclusive who is concerned about this? Is this a potential iceberg we could hit?...

You mean you didn't already hit it? Judging by most comments, it seems like the good ship iTanic already has a gaping hole and is taking on water fast.

Quote from: cobalt on November 02, 2011, 06:17

...Is istock really successfully locking down the top talent in the market?...

Speaking strictly from the vector side of things, no, they're not. There are some fantastic illustrators exclusive to istock. Jamie, Tom, and Aleksandar to name a few. But by and large, I think the independent agencies have the advantage with top talent. Especially since the EPS10 standard was adopted by pretty much every agency except istock, which opened the door to many more extremely talented folks who otherwise wouldn't have been able to work in microstock. The nature of their work was just too advanced for EPS8 formatting.

pro@stockphotos · « **Reply #32 on:** November 02, 2011, 10:51 »

Quote from: lisafx on November 01, 2011, 14:08

It was a pretty disappointing October for me. Overall I was up 7% on last month and 6% on last year. 3 out of 4 top sites all posted losses. Fortunately the day was spectacularly saved by a big BME at Shutterstock! Funny thing is when I added up my % losses from IS, SS, and DT, over the past year, they totaled the exact % SS was up (51%).

Istock continues to sink into the void. Sales more pathetic each month, and sank to levels not seen since April of 2006!!

FT actually rebounded a bit, showing a 10% gain over last month, but is still well down on last year.

Below is the market share of each of the sites for me, along with the % gain or loss from October 2010.

ISP   30% (-23%)
SS   28% (+51%)
DT   13% (-9%)
Fot   15% (-19%)
BigStock   4%

This is what I do not understand. Your numbers say even today a majority of your $$ comes from IS. How did you do the math not to be exclusive with istock especially in 2005 did they not have 70% market share. With the bad best match placement, loss of commissions of 20%, and the loss of $$ from the higher collections I just wonder how much independents have lost by not putting all your eggs in one basket.

gostwyck · « **Reply #33 on:** November 02, 2011, 11:09 »

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on November 02, 2011, 10:51

This is what I do not understand. Your numbers say even today a majority of your $$ comes from IS. How did you do the math not to be exclusive with istock especially in 2005 did they not have 70% market share. With the bad best match placement, loss of commissions of 20%, and the loss of $$ from the higher collections I just wonder how much independents have lost by not putting all your eggs in one basket.

Istock peaked for most independents at about 40% 'market share' so even at 40% commission going exclusive would most likely have lost significant income. In addition to that 'all your eggs in one basket' is a pretty risky strategy if you rely on that income. With the loss of trust at Istock, falling sales and the apparent movement of customers to other agencies ... it's a no-brainer to remain independent. For those with many TAC/Vetta images I'm sure it is still worthwhile to remain exclusive but I do wonder for how much longer.

cthoman · « **Reply #34 on:** November 02, 2011, 11:14 »

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on November 02, 2011, 10:51

This is what I do not understand. Your numbers say even today a majority of your $$ comes from IS. How did you do the math not to be exclusive with istock especially in 2005 did they not have 70% market share. With the bad best match placement, loss of commissions of 20%, and the loss of $$ from the higher collections I just wonder how much independents have lost by not putting all your eggs in one basket.

I can't speak for Lisa, but I think most us independents are glad we didn't take the plunge in hindsight. They've made it fairly tempting in the past, but the future there seems so unstable now.

microstockphoto.co.uk · « **Reply #35 on:** November 02, 2011, 11:27 »

For some of us being independent is a way of life, and the main reason we chose microstock in first place. So exclusivity has never been tempting for me, not even when Istock was on top of the list.

CCK · « **Reply #36 on:** November 02, 2011, 11:32 »

I feel a little bad reading this tread. This October has been my worst month ever with SS and DT, with the exception of my first two months at DT. The only site that didn't show a plunge is Depositphotos.

gostwyck · « **Reply #37 on:** November 02, 2011, 12:58 »

My October finished 4% above both September and Oct 2010. Earnings at each agency as follows with the gain/loss compared to Oct 2010;

SS 39% +21%
IS 25% -17%
FT 14% -33%
DT 13% +31%
BS 5% +63%

On Istock actual downloads were 38% down on Oct 2010 but fortunately P+ made up most of the difference.

lisafx · « **Reply #38 on:** November 02, 2011, 13:36 »

Quote from: cthoman on November 02, 2011, 11:14

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on November 02, 2011, 10:51
This is what I do not understand. Your numbers say even today a majority of your $$ comes from IS. How did you do the math not to be exclusive with istock especially in 2005 did they not have 70% market share. With the bad best match placement, loss of commissions of 20%, and the loss of $$ from the higher collections I just wonder how much independents have lost by not putting all your eggs in one basket.

I can't speak for Lisa, but I think most us independents are glad we didn't take the plunge in hindsight. They've made it fairly tempting in the past, but the future there seems so unstable now.

At this point in Istock's implosion, I am surprised to still be getting the "why aren't you exclusive" question. Isn't it obvious? Pro@ must have missed the part of my post where I said sales are down to early 2006 levels.

Cory and Gostwyck both hit the nail on the head. At one time Istock exclusivity seemed very appealing. I almost was snared in the "canister grandfathering" scam. But now I am SOOOO GLAD I didn't go exclusive at IS.

A read through the monthly stats threads on IS (particularly from diamonds and above) is like going to a funeral... From what I can see the momentum among top artists is leaning toward dropping exclusivity, not going exclusive.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #39 on:** November 02, 2011, 13:45 »

For a long time I think a lot of us were wondering if we had made a bad mistake by not taking the exclusive route because on top of the higher percentage there were benefits in best match placement and speed of reviewing (which comes back to best match placement). I still wonder if I wouldn't have been better of if I had ridden the gravy train in the early years but I certainly don't think about exclusivity as an appealing option any longer.
Those who were exclusive and then jumped ship may still benefit at iS from the early boost their old files had (since once something starts selling, it tends to keep selling) but, of course, they lose out in other ways, with acceptance problems at other sites and maybe finding it hard to make their mark among established artists there.

loop · « **Reply #40 on:** November 02, 2011, 14:19 »

I'm glad I went exclusive. I still am (I could be more, certainly). From the beggining, I saw my earnigs go from scarce, to good, to very good, to very very good, to very very very good. Do I have now a little step back? Yes. But continous everlasting growth is just and illusion, in that business and in others. Eventually, sooner or later, everybody will go back, at every site. it's just a matter of reaching the saturation point, the critical mass. A matter of time. Thinking of throwing the crown? Not now, certainly. But, in the end, this is a just business and numbers matter. An objective and practical decision, not emotional. Should I had to leave exclusivity and flood every site on the face of Earth, I would do it without hesitation. I have no way of knowing if that will happen, of course.

Perry · « **Reply #41 on:** November 02, 2011, 14:20 »

I was IS exclusive between 2005 and 2006. I did some research and found out there was many other sites like IS. I thought I didn't want to have all my eggs in one basket so I quit my exclusivity. Never really looked back. Now my IS earnings are 30% of my stock income, I don't think I would make more as an exclusive, and I'm enjoying having my risk spread over many sites. I would not like to have sleepless nights every time my one-and-only site tweaks their search algorithms.

cascoly · « **Reply #42 on:** November 02, 2011, 14:38 »

istock for me has been 5th - 8th for more than a year; just became not worth the time for their silly submission process

otherwise last 2 months have been steadily increasing with following proportions on total of $435

ss   56.68%
dream   12.67%
foto   8.99%
123   6.68%
big   5.99%
pond video   3.46%
yay   2.30%
istock   1.84%
feature   1.38%

DT was down this month after 2 BME in previous months

the month to month graph doesnt make much sense for me since it's very spiky, so i follow 3 & 6 mo averages and the results for these are

6 mo avg +14% over last year
3 mo avg +19%

except for SS & DT i no longer submit to any site that requires more than a click to submit an image

pro@stockphotos · « **Reply #43 on:** November 02, 2011, 14:54 »

Quote from: lisafx on November 02, 2011, 13:36

Quote from: cthoman on November 02, 2011, 11:14
Quote from: pro@stockphotos on November 02, 2011, 10:51
This is what I do not understand. Your numbers say even today a majority of your $$ comes from IS. How did you do the math not to be exclusive with istock especially in 2005 did they not have 70% market share. With the bad best match placement, loss of commissions of 20%, and the loss of $$ from the higher collections I just wonder how much independents have lost by not putting all your eggs in one basket.

I can't speak for Lisa, but I think most us independents are glad we didn't take the plunge in hindsight. They've made it fairly tempting in the past, but the future there seems so unstable now
At this point in Istock's implosion, I am surprised to still be getting the "why aren't you exclusive" question. Isn't it obvious? Pro@ must have missed the part of my post where I said sales are down to early 2006 levels.

Cory and Gostwyck both hit the nail on the head. At one time Istock exclusivity seemed very appealing. I almost was snared in the "canister grandfathering" scam. But now I am SOOOO GLAD I didn't go exclusive at IS.

A read through the monthly stats threads on IS (particularly from diamonds and above) is like going to a funeral... From what I can see the momentum among top artists is leaning toward dropping exclusivity, not going exclusive.

Was Istock exclusivity appealing when it was mathematically impossible to make up the losses by not taking the double commission rate on a site that controlled more than 50% of the market share? I can see why people were asking about the logic of not going only with istock. It is just now that the mistakes of istock are causing a loss of market share, but the higher collections are making up the difference. When a top 5 exclusive reports $$$ within 5% from highs of 2010, I would not say the income of istock exclusives are back at 2006 levels. At least not for those who have taken advantage of the higher pricing structure.

ayzek · « **Reply #44 on:** November 02, 2011, 15:03 »

i left my exclusivity six month ago. i was getting 50% more RPD when i was exclusive (thinking that exclusives hasn't got boost on best match). So we can say that if your istock earning below than half of your total earning you are doing good job.
if istock is 30% of your total earning. You are getting 66% more than if you were exclusive.

lagereek · « **Reply #45 on:** November 02, 2011, 15:28 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 02, 2011, 13:45

For a long time I think a lot of us were wondering if we had made a bad mistake by not taking the exclusive route because on top of the higher percentage there were benefits in best match placement and speed of reviewing (which comes back to best match placement). I still wonder if I wouldn't have been better of if I had ridden the gravy train in the early years but I certainly don't think about exclusivity as an appealing option any longer.
Those who were exclusive and then jumped ship may still benefit at iS from the early boost their old files had (since once something starts selling, it tends to keep selling) but, of course, they lose out in other ways, with acceptance problems at other sites and maybe finding it hard to make their mark among established artists there.

Sometimes you come out with a gem of a thought and this is one of them! I have been thinking in exactly the same terms. I mean in the film days there was no option but exclusivity, ofcourse it was differant, basically it was a matter of belonging to Stones, Image-Bank or Pictor, still though. I was exclusive for years with Stones and it was fantastic! in RM, Im still exclusive to Getty who took over Stones in 93, we were earning fortunes in them days, things were great and the thought of non-exclusivity never even entered our heads. Exclusivity in them days was a NICE word.

Yes, I would say we should have jumped on the gravy train about 4-5 years back, saving lots of work and troubles not to speak of hassles but we didnt and here we are, uploading to many differant sites and now, its way, way too late to even think of exclusivity, plus the fact that somehow Getty/IS, have through extremley unethical ways managed to turn the very word exclusivity into something nasty.

I do agree with you though, the actual thought is somehow always there.

best.

pancaketom · « **Reply #46 on:** November 02, 2011, 20:35 »

To get back on subject,

another BME for me, thanks to mainly to great performance at SS (5 ELS makes a nice bump), Alamy (my first triple digit sale), and Veer. The smaller sites were all in the average range. IS was pathetic, but that is to be expected w/ most of my images disabled - I did get a decent RPD since they are all + images though.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #47 on:** November 02, 2011, 22:50 »

Quote from: borg on November 02, 2011, 10:03

Excellent Louis!
I am overall still under 1000$ without Evanto's bundle earnings...

kind of you thanks, I do enjoy your conceptual portfolilo, really cool stuff

travelstock · « **Reply #48 on:** November 03, 2011, 05:22 »

Quote from: ayzek on November 02, 2011, 15:03

i left my exclusivity six month ago. i was getting 50% more RPD when i was exclusive (thinking that exclusives hasn't got boost on best match). So we can say that if your istock earning below than half of your total earning you are doing good job.
if istock is 30% of your total earning. You are getting 66% more than if you were exclusive.

Not sure how you're doing your maths, but on my numbers having gone the other way, my monthly RPD has never dropped below 3 times my previous best RPD as a non-exclusive - usually its more like 4 times.

Obviously everyone's results will be different, but my numbers still support exclusivity, particularly if you're on the 35-40% commission rates.

ayzek · « **Reply #49 on:** November 03, 2011, 08:06 »

Quote from: holgs on November 03, 2011, 05:22

Quote from: ayzek on November 02, 2011, 15:03
i left my exclusivity six month ago. i was getting 50% more RPD when i was exclusive (thinking that exclusives hasn't got boost on best match). So we can say that if your istock earning below than half of your total earning you are doing good job.
if istock is 30% of your total earning. You are getting 66% more than if you were exclusive.

Not sure how you're doing your maths, but on my numbers having gone the other way, my monthly RPD has never dropped below 3 times my previous best RPD as a non-exclusive - usually its more like 4 times.

Obviously everyone's results will be different, but my numbers still support exclusivity, particularly if you're on the 35-40% commission rates.

Just check your numbers again. i just count average commission rates for new system.

travelstock · « **Reply #50 on:** November 03, 2011, 09:26 »

Quote from: ayzek on November 03, 2011, 08:06

Just check your numbers again. i just count average commission rates for new system.

Looking at average rates, across the board the exclusive prices are much higher when you factor in E+, Vetta and Agency, so the combination of higher percentages on higher prices should give much more than a 50% boost. How much really depends on what you put into E+, what gets accepted into the collections, and how much of those you sell.

I did my initial calculations on the difference between 20% and 35% - in reality if I was non-exclusive now I'd be on 17% with virtually no prospect of making 18%, instead of now 35% as an exclusive. Its harder for non-exclusives to make the RC targets as well which ends up being an extra hurdle to climb. The problem with all these equations is that its a moving feast - since I made the jump, we had the new commission rates, introduction of the Agency collection, some increases in E+ prices, and the introduction of P+, and then theres always the unknown variable of the exclusive best match boost to contend with (if it even exists).

ayzek · « **Reply #51 on:** November 03, 2011, 09:35 »

My numbers are for who is selling popular files in P+ and not selling E+ and others.
If you have success with E+ and others you are right.

Slovenian · « **Reply #52 on:** November 03, 2011, 09:44 »

Quote from: holgs on November 03, 2011, 09:26

I did my initial calculations on the difference between 20% and 35% - in reality if I was non-exclusive now I'd be on 17% with virtually no prospect of making 18%, instead of now 35% as an exclusive. Its harder for non-exclusives to make the RC targets as well which ends up being an extra hurdle to climb. The problem with all these equations is that its a moving feast - since I made the jump, we had the new commission rates, introduction of the Agency collection, some increases in E+ prices, and the introduction of P+, and then theres always the unknown variable of the exclusive best match boost to contend with (if it even exists).

That makes no sense since 35% as excl=18% as nonexcl

.

And all these new changes pushed sales over a cliff. They really did a thorough job

(obviously not for you. Yet)

travelstock · « **Reply #53 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:05 »

Quote from: Slovenian on November 03, 2011, 09:44

Quote from: holgs on November 03, 2011, 09:26
I did my initial calculations on the difference between 20% and 35% - in reality if I was non-exclusive now I'd be on 17% with virtually no prospect of making 18%, instead of now 35% as an exclusive. Its harder for non-exclusives to make the RC targets as well which ends up being an extra hurdle to climb. The problem with all these equations is that its a moving feast - since I made the jump, we had the new commission rates, introduction of the Agency collection, some increases in E+ prices, and the introduction of P+, and then theres always the unknown variable of the exclusive best match boost to contend with (if it even exists).

That makes no sense since 35% as excl=18% as nonexcl .

And all these new changes pushed sales over a cliff. They really did a thorough job (obviously not for you. Yet)

No it makes perfect sense, because instead of earning 2 RCs for an XS sale, as a non-exclusive I'd only earn 1 - so to hit 40,000 RCs I'd have to sell a lot more files as a non-exclusive, without the benefit of any best match boost.

oboy · « **Reply #54 on:** November 03, 2011, 16:05 »

My top four for October are: Shutterstock, DepositPhotos, Zazzle, Alamy
I am up 20% compared to September. You can see the full statistic at http://microstockinfos.blogspot.com/2011/11/stock-photography-sales-statistic.html

ShadySue · « **Reply #55 on:** November 05, 2011, 16:00 »

Compared to Sept '11: dls & $$ both c20% down.
Compared to Oct '10: dls almost identical (3 fewer), $$ -c7%.
c700 files added since Oct '10, c22% of port.
Disappointing, but on a par with what others are reporting.

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