Author Topic: Photographing our children for stock/money ? (Read 26089 times)

Shank_ali · « **on:** July 03, 2011, 06:18 »

I wont do it...Children grow to be adults and may ask....."do you think you exploited me for money when i was a child..
Opinions please !

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #1 on:** July 03, 2011, 06:40 »

Chatty lately aren't we?

I'd say "I think you helped the family earn money for food, vacations, etc. and even helped to put away a chunk for your higher education". Pretty good for having a big smile and good attitude

lisafx · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2011, 07:27 »

Seriously^^

Throughout history kids have helped in their parents' family businesses. It teaches them responsibility and helps them appreciate the value of money. I seriously doubt any of us is running a modeling sweatshop! LOL!

My daughter enjoys the benefits of a great college education, currently a trip to Europe, a nice car, spending money, and pretty much anything she could need and most of what she wants, because of the extra income microstock has generated. I don't see a problem asking her to contribute to that with a little modeling.

FWIW, she is an adult now, and far from feeling exploited, she is grateful for having had a much better childhood than most of her friends.

Lambros Kazan · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2011, 08:07 »

Totaly agree with Lizafx.
+ Modeling is fun.

Mantis · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2011, 08:10 »

While I don't have any kids....that I know of anyway,

I agree with Sean and Lisa. Using your kids to help pad the monthly budget isn't exploitation.. Do you have your kids pull weeds, wash cars, trim your shrubs, do housework? Technically speaking you could hire a maid, a Gardner or take your car to the car wash but many don't. They save a few bucks by having their kids do it instead....in addition to learning that there are no free rides in life.

Slovenian · « **Reply #5 on:** July 03, 2011, 09:07 »

I don't have kids, but I'd never do it. I have a little sister and she's very photogenic and cute (and I am saying this as a photog not like all parents call their offspring cute even if they're far from it) and I'd never sell those photos on stock, even though I could make hundreds if not thousands of dollars with photos of her.

I think it's wrong to make decisions that could mark your child forever (it's a long shot with stock, but if she appears on hundreds of billboards for years, it sure will). It's almost like baptizing, circumcision etc. I think those decisions should be agreed on when they're old enough to decide about it, not forced on them when they're infants or just to young to decide. I for one am glad I wasn't forced in any of those things by my parents. Of course gardening etc is a totally different story, they should be taught about the value of money and to help with the work around home, they should be taught about responsibility.

Perry · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2011, 10:10 »

(I don't have kids, so this is just theory...)

If the money goes to the kids benefit, I can't see how it would be exploitation.

I would perhaps sell my kids images as RM, just to stop them circulating over time.

madelaide · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2011, 10:51 »

I don't have kids, but I have nephews that I could have used as models, but I am very sensitive to possible misuse of the images.

Other than that, I see no problem using your own kids as models, as long as they enjoy it and are not forced into it when they really wanted to be playing with their friends.

helix7 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:15 »

Quote from: Slovenian on July 03, 2011, 09:07

...I think it's wrong to make decisions that could mark your child forever (it's a long shot with stock, but if she appears on hundreds of billboards for years, it sure will). It's almost like baptizing, circumcision etc. I think those decisions should be agreed on when they're old enough to decide about it, not forced on them when they're infants or just to young to decide...

It's a parent's job to make decisions for their children. Even most governments acknowledge the fact that parents need to make decisions that they feel are in the best interests of their kids up to a certain age (18 here in the U.S.) because below that age many kids don't have the ability to act in their own best interest.

I "forced" baptism and circumcision on my son and I'll gladly do it again with the next one. He's free to make decisions about his religion when he's old enough to form his own reasonable opinion on the subject. Until then it's my responsibility to do what I think is best for him.

The stock issue doesn't come into play for me since I'm not a photographer. But if I were, I wouldn't see any harm in having him be the subject of some stock images.

Slovenian · « **Reply #9 on:** July 03, 2011, 13:02 »

Quote from: helix7 on July 03, 2011, 12:15

Quote from: Slovenian on July 03, 2011, 09:07
...I think it's wrong to make decisions that could mark your child forever (it's a long shot with stock, but if she appears on hundreds of billboards for years, it sure will). It's almost like baptizing, circumcision etc. I think those decisions should be agreed on when they're old enough to decide about it, not forced on them when they're infants or just to young to decide...

It's a parent's job to make decisions for their children. Even most governments acknowledge the fact that parents need to make decisions that they feel are in the best interests of their kids up to a certain age (18 here in the U.S.) because below that age many kids don't have the ability to act in their own best interest.

I "forced" baptism and circumcision on my son and I'll gladly do it again with the next one. He's free to make decisions about his religion when he's old enough to form his own reasonable opinion on the subject. Until then it's my responsibility to do what I think is best for him.

The stock issue doesn't come into play for me since I'm not a photographer. But if I were, I wouldn't see any harm in having him be the subject of some stock images.

Indeed, I just expressed my opinion, contrary to everyone before me, which was against it. I think this would be in the best interest of my children. But you don't want to much control, don't you? Like choosing which school they should attend, which profession is right or them and at the end have an arranged marriage in store for them

He's not really free to make his/her own decision later, you're marked (as a catholic, muslim or whatever). I'm glad I wasn't baptised, because my father was smart and liberal enough to be against it. I could make the decision now to be baptised. I'm glad I'm an atheist, who was never "marked". That said, I respect all religions and people's choice to be religious, visit church/mosque etc for mass etc. I just think it should be a choice, not something you're pushed in. And religion is less and less "popular" every year, with all the technological development and education, we can find explanations for certain things we didn't understand elsewhere. Or not. But it should be a choice IMO. About circumcision, there's no turning back and you've already deprived him (to a certain degree) of sexual pleasure. So much for wanting the best for our children. I've also read percentage of little boys get circumsized is lowering every year in the US. People are opening their eyes in this regard as well.

Shank_ali · « **Reply #10 on:** July 03, 2011, 13:22 »

{snip}
How did we get onto circumcision

madelaide · « **Reply #11 on:** July 03, 2011, 14:13 »

Quote from: shank_ali_reborn on July 03, 2011, 13:22

{snip}
How did we get onto circumcision

Not only that, but we are also in the dangerous "is religion good or bad" path. I hope we re-route to the original subject!

Slovenian · « **Reply #12 on:** July 03, 2011, 14:24 »

Quote from: shank_ali_reborn on July 03, 2011, 13:22

{snip}
How did we get onto circumcision

I thought this thread was getting a bit boring

dirkr · « **Reply #13 on:** July 03, 2011, 14:33 »

I have a two year old daughter. Like every father, I think she is the cutest girl in the world

and she has been my favourite subject for photography these last two years. And - even without the biased viewpoint of a father - there are certainly a good number of shots of her sitting on my harddrive that would make some money in stock.
Still I don't upload them, simply because I don't want to see the face of my daughter anywhere where I can't control it. It's just a matter of personal choice. And it helps a lot if you don't do it (photography) for a living...

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #14 on:** July 03, 2011, 15:55 »

My daughter is now talking about getting her own agent and keeps negotiating me up in price. I have no idea where you'd get the idea that this is exploiting your kids. You'd be the first stock photographer in history not to do it.

lisafx · « **Reply #15 on:** July 03, 2011, 19:22 »

I agree completely with Mike. As parents, it is our job to make decisions for our kids, and we do our best to make the right ones. Hopefully we succeed most of the time.

With trepidation, I will jump into the religion thing. I don't see how having your child baptized is marking them for life. The water dries

In fact, I don't see how any self-described atheist could make the argument that baptism marks anyone for life. If you don't believe in God, then it's just some kid getting a spritz of water on their forehead... Only to Christians would it have any significance.

I was baptized Episcopalian, but I have never practiced that religion. In fact I was atheist for many years, and none of the other atheists made fun of me or called me names because I was baptized, LOL.

Shank_ali · « **Reply #16 on:** July 04, 2011, 01:09 »

Quote from: dirkr on July 03, 2011, 14:33

I have a two year old daughter. Like every father, I think she is the cutest girl in the world and she has been my favourite subject for photography these last two years. And - even without the biased viewpoint of a father - there are certainly a good number of shots of her sitting on my harddrive that would make some money in stock.
Still I don't upload them, simply because I don't want to see the face of my daughter anywhere where I can't control it. It's just a matter of personal choice. And it helps a lot if you don't do it (photography) for a living...

Bravo.I share those sentiments.It's too easy for photographers who have children to use them as models and earn money.
The bottom line is that our off spring are subjects that designers want in a variety of shots.Education /playing/ ect ect.It's that demand that will continue to drive photographers to photograph there own children.
Sad but true !

lagereek · « **Reply #17 on:** July 04, 2011, 01:32 »

Quote from: lisafx on July 03, 2011, 07:27

Seriously^^

Throughout history kids have helped in their parents' family businesses. It teaches them responsibility and helps them appreciate the value of money. I seriously doubt any of us is running a modeling sweatshop! LOL!

My daughter enjoys the benefits of a great college education, currently a trip to Europe, a nice car, spending money, and pretty much anything she could need and most of what she wants, because of the extra income microstock has generated. I don't see a problem asking her to contribute to that with a little modeling.

FWIW, she is an adult now, and far from feeling exploited, she is grateful for having had a much better childhood than most of her friends.

Exellent posting!

Yes why not AND it teaches them responsibillity, the most important, especially in todays world.

RT · « **Reply #18 on:** July 04, 2011, 03:29 »

Quote from: shank_ali_reborn on July 03, 2011, 06:18

I wont do it...Children grow to be adults and may ask....."do you think you exploited me for money when i was a child..
Opinions please !

Pay them - end of story.

I take it your kids won't be allowed to get a paper round

Slovenian · « **Reply #19 on:** July 04, 2011, 03:47 »

Quote from: lisafx on July 03, 2011, 19:22

With trepidation, I will jump into the religion thing. I don't see how having your child baptized is marking them for life. The water dries

In fact, I don't see how any self-described atheist could make the argument that baptism marks anyone for life. If you don't believe in God, then it's just some kid getting a spritz of water on their forehead... Only to Christians would it have any significance.

I was baptized Episcopalian, but I have never practiced that religion. In fact I was atheist for many years, and none of the other atheists made fun of me or called me names because I was baptized, LOL.

Than why do it at all. The way you wrote it, you don't seem like a true believer. It's not just a spritz of water, it's a spritz of holy water, I don't think any true christian should make it sound as irrelevant by adding the words just. It's like saying eh why confess, he's just a priest, why go to church it's just a building or even why raise children in christian manner it's just 10 commandments. I could make some stronger statements, but I won't, I just wanted to say baptizing children if you're not really a believer makes even less sense. Unless someone lives in some backwards redneck town, where the family would get outcasted for not baptizing their children, but then again you could move. Americans do move around the country a lot, don't they (every time they get a new job).

I'm not only happy I wasn't marked as a Christian (catholic for that matter), I was happy I wasn't forced into it. Imagine my parents being Muslim or Jewish, I'd get circumsized

. Now that is irreversible and something I wouldn't want for the reason I stated before.

As for atheists not making fun of you, we're way more tolerant and open minded, we don't go around people's homes and try to "sell them" religion. All anyone did was the campaign on the buses, that that gal in the photo started http://www.google.si/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/08/article-0-02F61967000005DC-412_468x330.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1126226/Atheist-theres-probably-God-campaign-did-NOT-breach-advertising-code-rules-watchdog.html&usg=__yRgsW4GQFAoAPCa2a4YIQLQKHuU=&h=330&w=468&sz=55&hl=sl&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=XBnrWH1Ckk5ZTM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=239&ei=N30RTt29C8_Mswbv8oWMDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dthere%2527s%2Bprobably%2Bno%2Bgod%2Bcampaign%26hl%3Dsl%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DwL0%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D892%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=792&vpy=394&dur=1057&hovh=188&hovw=267&tx=170&ty=96&page=1&ndsp=36&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:0. Which is really not intrusive like the religious ppl (Jehovah's witnesses etc), just sends you a message not forcing you into anythink, perhaps it just makes you think a bit. I really answered this in the first paragraph, try this the other way around in a redneck town;)

Slovenian · « **Reply #20 on:** July 04, 2011, 03:50 »

Quote from: lisafx on July 03, 2011, 19:22

With trepidation, I will jump into the religion thing. I don't see how having your child baptized is marking them for life. The water dries

In fact, I don't see how any self-described atheist could make the argument that baptism marks anyone for life. If you don't believe in God, then it's just some kid getting a spritz of water on their forehead... Only to Christians would it have any significance.

I was baptized Episcopalian, but I have never practiced that religion. In fact I was atheist for many years, and none of the other atheists made fun of me or called me names because I was baptized, LOL.

Than why do it at all. The way you wrote it, you don't seem like a true believer. It's not just a spritz of water, it's a spritz of holy water, I don't think any true christian should make it sound as irrelevant by adding the words just. It's like saying eh why confess, he's just a priest, why go to church it's just a building or even why raise children in christian manner it's just 10 commandments. I could make some stronger statements, but I won't, I just wanted to say baptizing children if you're not really a believer makes even less sense. Unless someone lives in some backwards redneck town, where the family would get outcasted for not baptizing their children, but then again you could move. Americans do move around the country a lot, don't they (every time they get a new job).

I'm not only happy I wasn't marked as a Christian (catholic for that matter), I was happy I wasn't forced into it. Imagine my parents being Muslim or Jewish, I'd get circumsized

. Now that is irreversible and something I wouldn't want for the reason I stated before.

As for atheists not making fun of you, we're way more tolerant and open minded, we don't go around people's homes and try to "sell them" religion. All anyone did was the campaign on the buses, that that gal in the photo started http://www.google.si/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/08/article-0-02F61967000005DC-412_468x330.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1126226/Atheist-theres-probably-God-campaign-did-NOT-breach-advertising-code-rules-watchdog.html&usg=__yRgsW4GQFAoAPCa2a4YIQLQKHuU=&h=330&w=468&sz=55&hl=sl&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=XBnrWH1Ckk5ZTM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=239&ei=N30RTt29C8_Mswbv8oWMDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dthere%2527s%2Bprobably%2Bno%2Bgod%2Bcampaign%26hl%3Dsl%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DwL0%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D892%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=792&vpy=394&dur=1057&hovh=188&hovw=267&tx=170&ty=96&page=1&ndsp=36&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:0. Which is really not intrusive like the religious ppl (Jehovah's witnesses etc), just sends you a message not forcing you into anything, perhaps it just makes you think a bit. I really answered this in the first paragraph, try this the other way around in a redneck town;)

madelaide · « **Reply #21 on:** July 04, 2011, 03:57 »

I would once again suggest keeping religion outside the discussion..

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #22 on:** July 04, 2011, 04:16 »

Quote from: Zeus on July 03, 2011, 15:55

My daughter is now talking about getting her own agent and keeps negotiating me up in price. I have no idea where you'd get the idea that this is exploiting your kids. You'd be the first stock photographer in history not to do it.

Plenty of us don't sell child pictures. I'm not entirely comfortable with where they could end up or the reaction they might cause from the subject if they pop up 15 years later, and if I would worry about that for my kids I won't do it with other people's, either.

helix7 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 04, 2011, 06:48 »

Quote from: Slovenian on July 03, 2011, 13:02

...He's not really free to make his/her own decision later, you're marked (as a catholic, muslim or whatever). I'm glad I wasn't baptised, because my father was smart and liberal enough to be against it. I could make the decision now to be baptised...

Sure he is. Baptism isn't a mandate that anyone practice any religion for life. When my son is old enough to make an informed decision about religion himself, he's free to do whatever he wants. Until then, it's my job to do what I think is best for him.

And let's not get into the "smart and liberal enough" debate. I wouldn't suggest that anyone is any more or less intelligent based on these decisions.

Quote from: Slovenian on July 03, 2011, 13:02

...About circumcision, there's no turning back and you've already deprived him (to a certain degree) of sexual pleasure. So much for wanting the best for our children. I've also read percentage of little boys get circumsized is lowering every year in the US. People are opening their eyes in this regard as well.

I'm deferring to the medical community on this one, where the benefits are believed to outweigh the risks. And frankly if it at all deprives anyone of sexual pleasure, I think that's a benefit as well. Like most guys, I'm not exactly of the mindset that I wish I got off faster in bed. And if circumcision has anything to do what that, then I'm happier my parents opted to have it done for me.

I am doing what is best for my kid. That's parenting. There's no playbook, no owners' manual. These are decisions that have to be made, and my wife and I are making them as we see fit, and in the interests of what we believe is best. I would never suggest that what your parents chose for you wasn't done with those same intentions. They had different opinions about these things than I do, and that's fine. I'd certainly never suggest that your parents were any less intelligent or didn't do what they believed to be best for you because of the decisions they came to.

Slovenian · « **Reply #24 on:** July 04, 2011, 08:14 »

Quote from: helix7 on July 04, 2011, 06:48

Quote from: Slovenian on July 03, 2011, 13:02
...He's not really free to make his/her own decision later, you're marked (as a catholic, muslim or whatever). I'm glad I wasn't baptised, because my father was smart and liberal enough to be against it. I could make the decision now to be baptised...

Sure he is. Baptism isn't a mandate that anyone practice any religion for life. When my son is old enough to make an informed decision about religion himself, he's free to do whatever he wants. Until then, it's my job to do what I think is best for him.

And let's not get into the "smart and liberal enough" debate. I wouldn't suggest that anyone is any more or less intelligent based on these decisions.

OK, I'll give you that one. It is a logical explanation. I was coming from my own experience, saying I prefer I wasn't baptised. That's why I won't do it with my children and let them decide when they're old enough. Just the other way around. Fair?

Quote from: helix7 on July 04, 2011, 06:48

Quote from: Slovenian on July 03, 2011, 13:02
...About circumcision, there's no turning back and you've already deprived him (to a certain degree) of sexual pleasure. So much for wanting the best for our children. I've also read percentage of little boys get circumsized is lowering every year in the US. People are opening their eyes in this regard as well.

I'm deferring to the medical community on this one, where the benefits are believed to outweigh the risks. And frankly if it at all deprives anyone of sexual pleasure, I think that's a benefit as well. Like most guys, I'm not exactly of the mindset that I wish I got off faster in bed. And if circumcision has anything to do what that, then I'm happier my parents opted to have it done for me.

I am doing what is best for my kid. That's parenting. There's no playbook, no owners' manual. These are decisions that have to be made, and my wife and I are making them as we see fit, and in the interests of what we believe is best. I would never suggest that what your parents chose for you wasn't done with those same intentions. They had different opinions about these things than I do, and that's fine. I'd certainly never suggest that your parents were any less intelligent or didn't do what they believed to be best for you because of the decisions they came to.

If you have a right mindset you don't have any problems getting off too fast. At least I was never amongst those who can't hold it for more than 5 min. If you are, you just put a condom on when you want to last longer or some kind of lube, but at least you don't have a "permanent condom" on. And for those who don't have that endurance problems it sure is a downside and your son could be just one of those marathoners, who could last forever and all circumsition is going to do for him is make him enjoy in sex less. So much for wanting the best for our children;). (yeah I know I'm exaggerating a bit, but ppl really don't think to much about the consequences, when such traditional stuff is in question).

OK more open minded, is that better? Or keeping my options open? I was just saying I think they made the correct decision in that case and I'm giving my father a big thumb up. You'd like to get as many from your kid won't you?

(I'm not saying he won't give you one for those to decision of course).

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