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antistock

« on: March 12, 2012, 23:23 »
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This Tiny Feature Could Keep Pinterest From Getting Sued For Massive Copyright Infringement
http://www.businessinsider.com/commenting-could-keep-pinterest-from-getting-sued-2012-3


the Pinterest saga keeps going, now they are desperately trying to pass their millions of stolen images as "fair use" by forcing users writing a caption on each photo they steal.


« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 06:49 »
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Nice try.  Don't think it will work though.

helix7

« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 07:33 »
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I happen to like Pinterest, and hope they stick around. I think there's value in the site, even for photographers. Some wedding photographers have said that they're booking jobs because of people finding them on Pinterest.

That said, there's definitely some problems with copyright going on. I'm not so much concerned about my images being pinned without my knowledge or credit, but more so about how Pinterest's terms of use leave the users out in the cold if a copyright infringement lawsuit were to come knocking. Not sure how enforceable it is, but Pinterest says they're not responsible if you pin something and the copyright holder sues you because of it. Not only that, but they hold you responsible for their own legal costs should a case go to court.

For that reason, I think some of the comparisons between Pinterest and Napster are fair. We could realistically see lawsuits coming down on average folks who have no idea they're putting themselves at risk through image sharing.

« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 07:58 »
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For that reason, I think some of the comparisons between Pinterest and Napster are fair. We could realistically see lawsuits coming down on average folks who have no idea they're putting themselves at risk through image sharing.


... copying/infringment.

helix7

« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 08:38 »
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For that reason, I think some of the comparisons between Pinterest and Napster are fair. We could realistically see lawsuits coming down on average folks who have no idea they're putting themselves at risk through image sharing.


... copying/infringment.


Right, well that's sort of the point. If the "Pin" button really said "Infringe on a Copyright", people would have a better idea of what they're potentially exposing themselves to. Much like how things went with Napster back in the day. People were just "sharing" songs. They weren't stealing CDs, at least as far as how they saw it. It wasn't even always music that they would have bought. Some of the same logic could be applied to photography on Pinterest. And just as many folks were so naive to music copyrights in the late 90s, today I think there's a gap in thinking today when it comes to image copyrights.

Who knows, maybe Pinterest is good for the image business. Look at how the public perception of the value of digital music files changed after the Napster and Limewire lawsuits, as well as the perception of the severity of the crime (it wasn't even seen as a crime until people got dragged into court). Not sure I'd really like to see this go that far, but if it did, we'd all benefit from it.

antistock

« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 13:52 »
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what pisses me off is we're seeing articles about Pinterest and copyright abuse but nothing at all about Google Images, Facebook, Flickr !

and what if Pinterest starts offering printing services ? with each photo they can pretty well make something like RedBubble if they wanted and make billions, all without giving a crap about copyright.

« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2012, 20:18 »
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Does "ooohh how pretty!" qualify as a comment, because seems to be about the extent of the vocabulary there.

« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 21:21 »
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Get over it guys. My goodness... don't want your image "pinned"? Take it offline. It's like listening to people complain about their car being stolen even though they left it running with the keys in the ignition in a bad part of town, with all the doors unlocked and left wide open.

traveler1116

« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 21:30 »
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Get over it guys. My goodness... don't want your image "pinned"? Take it offline. It's like listening to people complain about their car being stolen even though they left it running with the keys in the ignition in a bad part of town, with all the doors unlocked and left wide open.
You mean it's like getting your car stolen after you offered it for sale.  Either way blaming the victim is not usually going to win any arguments.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2012, 21:31 by traveler1116 »

« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 21:34 »
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If you don't want your stuff pinned on a site you control:

Code: [Select]
<meta name="pinterest" content="nopin" />
If you don't want it pinned from other sites, better start the petitions now.

PaulieWalnuts

  • You talkin' to me?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 21:39 »
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Get over it guys. My goodness... don't want your image "pinned"? Take it offline. It's like listening to people complain about their car being stolen even though they left it running with the keys in the ignition in a bad part of town, with all the doors unlocked and left wide open.

Great idea. I'll start pulling all of my images down from all the stock sites.

Oh, and I'll never let my car out of the garage.

Thank you, Captain Candid.

antistock

« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 01:03 »
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Get over it guys. My goodness... don't want your image "pinned"? Take it offline. It's like listening to people complain about their car being stolen even though they left it running with the keys in the ignition in a bad part of town, with all the doors unlocked and left wide open.

Great idea. I'll start pulling all of my images down from all the stock sites.

Oh, and I'll never let my car out of the garage.

Thank you, Captain Candid.

yeah and i will also remove my portfolio web site.

antistock

« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 01:06 »
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If you don't want your stuff pinned on a site you control:

Code: [Select]
<meta name="pinterest" content="nopin" />
If you don't want it pinned from other sites, better start the petitions now.

i haven't tried yet but it will just give you a message, if you link the image directly there's no way Pinterest can know
if a web site allows pinning or not.

it's probably working with javascript, all you need is to disable javascript and skip the error message.

antistock

« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 01:14 »
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we' re still beating around the bush and even the Pinterest CEO admits he's clueless about copyright, fair use, etc ..

 what ! they know very well 99% of their content is stolen, just as YouTube knew 80% of their videos were pirated, we're back to the wild west once again and nobody is moving a finger, some judges are even agreeing with the pirates and supporting the "sharing" ideology !

« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 02:19 »
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we' re still beating around the bush and even the Pinterest CEO admits he's clueless about copyright, fair use, etc ..

 what ! they know very well 99% of their content is stolen, just as YouTube knew 80% of their videos were pirated, we're back to the wild west once again and nobody is moving a finger, some judges are even agreeing with the pirates and supporting the "sharing" ideology !

Don't know that much about Pinterest - quite tired of all these "next new things". Anyway, my understanding of their "idea" is basically pinning any material/images without any regard to copyright etc. I've also heard that pinned images are downloaded in full to Pinterest's servers? So if that is true, they don't just encourage the illicit use of copyrighted material, but also hosting it?

My worry is that problems with infringements of copyright are getting to the point that it is so big that nothing can no longer be done to combat it i.e. the people with power cave in/succumb to it. They stop fighting it and instead make it a "non-infringement" i.e. they make the problem a non-problem (for them). Why on earth otherwise isn't Pinterested sued sued and sued again? Isn't the case quite clear that what they are doing is not legit?

« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 05:33 »
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i haven't tried yet but it will just give you a message, if you link the image directly there's no way Pinterest can know
if a web site allows pinning or not.

Yes, there are ways around it - but then someone is going out of their way to steal your image.  Probably better for you if you ended up suing anyone.

« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 06:08 »
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what pisses me off is we're seeing articles about Pinterest and copyright abuse but nothing at all about Google Images, Facebook, Flickr !

google images?!


« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 11:45 »
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we' re still beating around the bush and even the Pinterest CEO admits he's clueless about copyright, fair use, etc ..

 what ! they know very well 99% of their content is stolen, just as YouTube knew 80% of their videos were pirated, we're back to the wild west once again and nobody is moving a finger, some judges are even agreeing with the pirates and supporting the "sharing" ideology !
Copyright itself seems to be under attack, and the attack is real and serious. If the 'Copyright is Monopoly' movement succeeds, our right to get paid for what we create will be gone.

The movement claims to be about internet freedom and against government intervention. But the gov intervention they are really against is government protection of our copyrights.

Behind it seems to be Google (and much smaller sites like Pinterest). Google+Youtube is a publishing company. It publishes other people's content without paying them anything, and sells ads making profits of billions. It is like a magazine, except that it doesn't pay the people who write for it or the photograhpers and illustrators who provide images. The more content is free, the more billions in profits for Google.

Yes, Google seems to be behind the 'sharing ideology'. It wants to share our content and keep the profits.

« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 14:07 »
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Copyright itself seems to be under attack, and the attack is real and serious. If the 'Copyright is Monopoly' movement succeeds, our right to get paid for what we create will be gone.

Movement? Do you have a link?

« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 14:42 »
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Copyright itself seems to be under attack, and the attack is real and serious. If the 'Copyright is Monopoly' movement succeeds, our right to get paid for what we create will be gone.

Movement? Do you have a link?


The Copyright is a Monopoly phrase originated in 1841 as stated by British poet Thomas Macaulay when he spoke to the House of Commons in Britain

We have, then, only one resource left. We must betake ourselves to copyright, be the inconveniences of copyright what they may. Those inconveniences, in truth, are neither few nor small. Copyright is monopoly, and produces all the effects which the general voice of mankind attributes to monopoly.

It has been floating around the web since at least 2005 and some have used it and of course manipulated according to their own whims. Ironically some have claimed the statement as their own original thoughts when writing their pro-priracy blog posts. And of course the web Freetards have adopted it as their gospel.

Just search "Copyright is monopoly" in quotes and you'll find the same statement over and over, sometimes attributed, sometimes not.

« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2012, 14:52 »
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Copyright itself seems to be under attack, and the attack is real and serious. If the 'Copyright is Monopoly' movement succeeds, our right to get paid for what we create will be gone.

Movement? Do you have a link?
I was referring to the general movement to abolish intellectual property rights. The idea that everything on the internet should be shared freely, that intellectual property should not be owned, or the owners not paid. That copyright is unfair, that pirates should be allowed to copy whatever they want, that governments should not enforce copyright. And so on. The people who advocate copying our images freely.

« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2012, 14:59 »
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Thanks for the info, guys. Yeah, I guess there are always those people out there. I'm just hoping they stay in the minority.

antistock

« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2012, 07:26 »
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I was referring to the general movement to abolish intellectual property rights. The idea that everything on the internet should be shared freely, that intellectual property should not be owned, or the owners not paid. That copyright is unfair, that pirates should be allowed to copy whatever they want, that governments should not enforce copyright. And so on. The people who advocate copying our images freely.

they're basically thieves, or freeloaders.

at the extreme left (hahaha) you can also find also the "freetards" who willingly produce content and software for free refusing any payment in disdain.

a fine example of their hard working efforts is coding from scratch Android OS and letting greedy corporations like Google grabbing the whole code and make billions with that without giving a single dollar to the authors.

it's a crazy world !

Uncle Pete

  • Evidence please...

« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2012, 12:43 »
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Ubuntu, Firefox, Thunderbird. Some are valued projects. What the everything is free Socialists don't get is, people like to get paid for their work.

Even here we have some who defend the No Copyright flawed viewpoint. To them I say, please make all your images public domain and give all your photo profits to charity, then come back and tell me how I should work for free.

This isn't about copyright, it's about wanting to steal stuff. That simple.

« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2012, 20:12 »
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and what if Pinterest starts offering printing services ? with each photo they can pretty well make something like RedBubble if they wanted and make billions, all without giving a crap about copyright.


AHEM.....

http://invite.print-erest.com/ [nofollow]


 

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